Who knew this was going to be the best vegetarian tofu vermillicelli bowl that I've ever had! I was surprised they put cabbage and mushrooms on top of the tofu and the noodles were warm, soft and fresh. It had a lot of mint, cucumbers and a pickled slaw on the side. My husband enjoyed his pork sandwich as usual. Probably will come right back for another delicious tofu bowl lunch on Monday after my Berkeley periodontal appointment! For a vegetarian meal, I highly recommend their tofu vermillicelli bowl which has a lot more going on than just tofu! read more

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Pretty average pho, solid but we weren't super impressed. Street parking along san pablo. Casual inside, you order at the counter and they bring it to you. A couple tables inside. The beef balls were good and there was definitely a lot of them in the soup! The pork in the vermicelli bowl was a little dry. Overall not my top pick for pho, but still a solid choice. read more

$10.50 Pork Bahnmi: $11.50 Fish Spring Roll: Thai Iced Tea with Oat: Solid across the board. Absolutely no reason for locals to not eat here. Well done. read more

Phosho Dough - Grilled fish rolls - Vietnamese Near Me - Berkeley, California

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Hard to pass this up given their name Phosho Dough! Quick impressions: 1. Diverse customers 2. Small restaurant with outdoor seating available 3. Need to pay for food at counter first 4. Small team (family?) 5. Busy! 6. 5% cash discount available I ordered their house special since I'm very basic. It was priced at $18.88 so that definitely appealed to my demographic. They gave a good portion of meat; I appreciate the two whole meatballs because most restaurants just give one if any. Not 100% sold on the broth though. It was pretty light in flavor and also a bit sweet. Overall, still finished everything and would come back again. May have to try their grilled fish noodle soup next time! read more

Phosho Dough - Vietnamese Near Me - Berkeley, California

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I stopped by here for take out banh mi. It was shortly after they open, so they were not busy. I got the grilled pork banh mi with a fried egg added and the twisted tea (half Thai iced tea and half Vietnamese coffee). I didn't have to wait long before my offer was ready. The banh mi was delicious. It was loaded with meat, and the right amount of veggies. The bread was fresh. They might have toasted it a bit too. My only complaint was that they cut it in half but only used one piece of paper to wrap it. This made it really hard for me to eat on the road. I do like my sandwiches cut in half, but it would be so much easier to eat if they wrapped it, cut it in half,l with the wrapper, and then wrap it again. As for the twisted tea, it wasn't my thing. I love Thai iced tea and Vietnamese coffee, and I think I'd prefer to drink them separately in the future. Overall, I would visit this place again to try more things on their menu. read more

Phosho Dough - Grilled pork banh mi with fried egg - Vietnamese Near Me - Berkeley, California

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Tasty abundance of delicious fresh feasting. Even the water was delicious :). Second time here and the quality and service is FUN-tastic!!! The entire staff is very accommodating and helpful. Thank you for some of the best flavorful and savory food around. read more

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Pros: delicious food, great service, discount if you use cash Cons: short business hours and not open everyday I have an addiction. An addiction to Phosho Dough. I have told myself I will not come here more than twice a month but man, it's hard. If you love pho, vermicelli noodles, lemongrass, pork, and spring rolls, i.e. all the Vietnamese comfort, food essentials you cannot really do better than Phosho dough. I've tried the beef pho, chicken pho, and their distinctive grilled fish noodle soup and they were all fantastic! You can tell all the ingredients are very fresh, the meat is high-quality and in good quantity, and even their unique tangy hot sauce is super addictive and good. The restaurant itself is very clean and the service is always super friendly and nice. You also get a 5% discount if you use cash so dust off that ATM card. Are there any drawbacks? Well they're not open every day and their business hours are actually pretty limited. So if you work a lot like me, sometimes you just have to go without. Although honestly, that's probably a good thing for both me, my fitness goals, and my wallet. Run, don't walk, to Phosho dough! read more

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We grabbed lunch at Phosho Dough while running errands in Berkeley. The restaurant was clean and the staff welcomed us when we entered. We placed our order at the counter and then chose a table outside. They give a discount if you pay with cash. Our food was delivered to our table shortly after we sat down. I had the lemongrass beef noodle soup. The Portion was generous. The broth was flavorful. There was a lot of beef in the soup. It was tender. My friend has the beef and shrimp rice plate. She thought it was fresh and tasty. We both took home leftovers. I would recommend Phosho Dough! read more

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Phosho Dough is a great neighborhood pho spot! I was feeling under the weather, so my companion took me out for some pho. The shop is quaint and cozy. There's fun wall art and a decent number of tables to dine at. Ordering and payment are done at the front, but food is brought out to you. Service was efficient, and the staff was kind. I had the Grilled Chicken and Shrimp Noodle Soup. Normally, I get chicken pho, but this item intrigued me. The grilled meat tasted typical, but the broth was extremely flavorful and didn't taste like your usual pho broth. I loved how warm and filling it was. I was only able to eat some of it. Companion enjoyed his pho! Phosho Dough is a must-go to for pho in the area! It's casual, food is good, and it's a nice family neighborhood spot. Definitely will be my new go-to place for pho, and I can't wait to try more of their items! They're located off San Pablo Ave. with street parking. read more

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Pho: huge portions, options that are not typically offered, all the jalapeño, bean sprouts, cilantro, lime and basil you need. The noodles were bouncy and the broth was excellent. I got grilled pork and shrimp. Husband got the regular beef (sliced beef noodle). Altho I liked mine, next time I'll get the sliced beef noodle because that's my favorite. I think we might just split it though. Vermicelli bowl: Daughter got the pork and shrimp vermicelli which she liked ...but could only eat about half (again huge portion.) Rolls: We got the fried egg rolls wrapped in spring rolls to share and they were excellent. Yes they know their portions are huge. They have a whole station where you can get your to go boxes and bowls for your leftovers...nice! And recently I whined about another Vietnamese place missing the point about all of the vegetables in Vietnamese food. This place gets me..they know I want VEGETABLES!! Final thought: bring cash for a 5% discount, and come hungry!! read more

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Come here for the banh mi mostly. I've had their other dishes which are good but the banh mi is better. Just came by on Saturday at 5pm. They were out of bread which was unfortunate and kind of odd as we really wanted banh mi. Ordered the veggie pho which was large and had a lot of veggies. My only issue with it is the broth is pretty bland and the tofu could use some spicing up. I prefer the tofu to not be fried in the way they prepare it for a pho - I like the non battered just regular tofu style. I've also had the vermicelli which is good. Nice service and pretty good ambiance. Seating area is limited but you can usually find a spot to sit down. Cash payment is a 5 percent discount FYI. read more

Phosho Dough - Veggie noodle soup - Vietnamese Near Me - Berkeley, California

Classic Pho yesterday north of here & here fusion pho today. Thank you rain!...Michael came by to do some fence work but got rained out so off we went lunch. A great choice. M got the grilled pork/shrimp pho tom heo nuong...an amazing smokey infused deeply flavored broth & a ton of grilled pork & shrimp (which I tasted & was truly awesome!) I had a classic beef pho with mainly tendon but with an addition of lemongrass beef ....another triumph of fantastic broth and shovelfuls of beef. We both included an xtra of bok choi! The only wish I have it that they use lime rather than lemon in the platter of bean sprouts and Thai basil leaves ( a minor quibble) The other great detail are their bowls.....really gorgeous! be back soon! read more

Phosho Dough - grilled pho.. pork/shrimp added bokchoi & classic beef pho.. tendon /lemongrass beef added bok choi - Vietnamese Near Me - Berkeley, California

1st time here. Employees were pleasant. I really wanted to like this new-to-me pho place. The Beef Pho special was nearly inedible. Enough white pepper in the broth to choke this seasoned pho eater. Both the beef and tendon were extremely tough. Beef and tendon needs proper cooking time to break it down. Rice noodles and Tripe were fine. Bad day in the kitchen? Maybe. But don't pass it on as a "special ". Staff please test/eat what you sell. read more

Stopped by this pho shop because of their close proximity to a guitar center but also their nearly perfect reviews on Google, and was not disappointed! The good: - unique fusion pho-- get their grilled beef and shrimp pho. The pieces of lemongrass from the grilled beef coats the broth with lemon grass and is so so tasty.... I like the texture of their noodles as well. - staff were amazing, helpful, and helped me understand what I was eating, even offered me a taste of their satay broth which is phenomenal if you like spicy foods. I will get that next time. - it's nice and rare to see a pho restaurant that has such happy workers... this place deserves all the praise it gets and I hope they open a location in San Francisco soon! Rooting for them!!!! The meh: - nothing, they have plenty of paid street parking so bring your quarters or you can buy some from the staff!!!! read more

Phosho Dough - Vietnamese Near Me - Berkeley, California

Excellent pho & shrimp spring rolls (that's what we always order). Super friendly service. Best pho in town.

Spontaneous find that exceeded expectations. Clean spacious area with indoor seating and outdoors. Really friendly service! We got pho with beef and meatballs - the broth tastes so clean and flavorful and the noodles are deliciously chewy!!! Most pho places serve overcooked noodles but this place had the best texture of noodles. Spring rolls with grilled shrimp - generous amount of shrimp (like 3 full pieces of shrimp) and the shrimp is seasoned and grilled!! It's really delicious. Thai tea is really good, strong and sweet. This place serves Vietnamese food better than other places, whether it's chewier noodles, stronger Thai tea, or grilled shrimp vs plain - these things definitely makes a big difference!! read more

Phosho Dough - Vietnamese Near Me - Berkeley, California

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Hands down the best pho in this area. Very friendly service. Took it to go but the restaurant was very clean and inviting. Will definitely be back read more

Bona fide winner and will be returning. Staff was good, food was good, and very central to where I was working. They had some unique options and everything was fresh and made to order. Soups were flavorful, they had plenty of chicken options, and the rolls were delicious. They tried to be a bit stingy with the sauces but that was cool. I was very satisfied with my choices and will be returning. You should to. read more

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Great location, friendly staff and good service but the food could be better. The pho broth is a tad watery and salty, overly sweet and lacks some of the savory notes and fatty richness of some other pho places. The lemongrass beef was dry and way too salty. read more

What a gem of a spot in Berkeley! Service is so friendly and helpful if you have any questions or recommendations. Loved everything that was recommended to us! Free street parking (a huge plus) and has both indoor and outdoor seating. Fried egg roll spring rolls: these have a great mixture of textures and flavors! Had mine with fish sauce because I have a peanut allergy, but usually comes with a peanut sauce! The egg rolls were nice and crispy and was packed with greens and lettuce. These are FAT. I'd probably get full off of this dish alone. Shrimp and pork banh mi: stacked with helllllla meats and the shrimp are massive. So filling and so cheap too! Love the amount of pickled veg. We also got a side of beef soup for dipping and I basically just chugged broth after each bite. Grilled fish egg noodle pho: get the side of spicy flavor bomb (I don't know the actual name for this) on the side, it's a paste of a bunch of different ingredients, filled with unami and some birds eye chilis so you can adjust the amount of spicy yourself. Girl, did they put a whole fish is here?? The portion of fish was craaaazy. Egg noodles were the perfect texture, I ate this one uuuup. If I had to choose, this was my favorite dish I tried. read more

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Spoiler alert*extensively long review incoming Some of the things I ask myself when I try a place are -how expensive is it? -how much food in proportion do I get? -Is it good? My humble answers to those questions in relation to Phoshodough are -Defintely affordable -Its a great bang for your buck -everything is flavor packed It's the trifecta in my opinion, but let me go in more depth and touch upon and few more aspects of why I left Phoshodough delightfully satisfied Upon entering, me and my partner automatically felt positive vibes from the warm welcomes by the staff. We didn't come in with a game plan of what to get but luckily the staff helped us a lot with great suggestions of what to get. We got some inside info on customizations of their mainstay items to add a bit of a different dimension and flavor profile. Granted there is an upcharge for the extra ingredients but well worth it. What we tried and followed thoughts Food: -beef pho broth subbed in egg noodles and grilled fish instead of the vermicelli and beef that it comes with. On the side, a satay sauce that you can either mix into your bowl or add per alternating bites. Impression: Combining the beef pho broth with the grilled fish fillets would be a new experience for me. Its one of those things I've never thought about but it works. It adds another essence of umami to your standard pho. The fish holds it structure and integrity. It yields that chewy texture while maintaining a tenderness that you expect. The egg noodles also adds another chew texture to each bite that vermicelli noodles don't for me. They give a boatload of fish and noodles. It's like skimping is not apart of their vocabulary. Lastly the biggest game changer would be the addition of the satay sauce. Its like a refresh factor that allows a dish to not be as monotonous. It has the spice and nuttiness when you alternate between bites. Highly suggest this method if you don't mind the extra labor curating each bite. -pork bahn mi add shrimp. Extra bowl of beef broth on the side for dipping. (Kind of like a take on a French dip with au jus) Impression:speaking on the bahn mi itself. It's monstrous in a good way. It's daunting at first when deciding how to eat it but you realize it's a multi biter if you want to enjoy all the components at once. The pickled veggies are fresh and the pork is flavorful. The bread has that crunchy exterior that doesn't cut the roof of your mouth while the flesh of the bread itself has that soft bounciness. Now imagine adding shrimp to it. Definitely surf, definitely turf, definitely bomb. I legitimately think if you could split it into two meals and feel satisfied or eat it in one sitting and feel full. Although I wish I tried the peanut sauce. I think the fish sauce was the move for the amount of food. It was light,clear, and help cut through the meatiness that this sandwich offers with the slight acid in it. -fried egg rolls wrapped in spring rolls w their signature fish sauce/nuoc mam cham instead of their peanut sauce. Impression: First time trying this dish. I think it's best element is that the spring roll wrapper insulates the crust friend egg roll and prevents it from getting soggy. I love dunking and soaking my spring rolls/egg rolls in the sauce so each bite is coated. Usually doing that is a trade-off for texture. Whereas with this is maintains that crunchy factor for longer. Especially when the outside is super soaked. The only pitfall which is not really a pitfall is if you don't eat it within a reasonable time. The spring roll wrapper starts to be less pliable and hardens. That in turn makes it tougher to chew. Drinks: -twisted Thai iced tea(their Thai iced tea mixed with their Vietnamese coffee) Impression: I like this because the biggest issue with having options is being indecisive. So if you want thai iced tea or Vietnamese coffee. You can have the best of both worlds with this drink. -Citrus blonde ale from pure project Impression: it's a nice light ale that pairs really well. Dessert: A-Pho-Gato (Thai iced tea with a scoop of vanilla and a mint garnish) Impression:if you like Thai iced tea vanilla and mint. You'll like this dessert. I enjoyed the mint garnish. I like the freshness it applies. I actually wanted more mint so I don't have to be too calculated on when to have the mint with the tea and ice cream but that's just me. Closing statement: I honestly wish I had a location near me. The food was delicious and met my expectations if not exceeded them. I can tell a lot of mindfulness and work goes into maintaining the quality of food. Also shout out to one of their staff, Thomas. If it wasnt for his suggestions. I don't think we would've had these combinations to try. read more

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Today around lunchtime I was driving on San Pablo Ave and wanted something quick to eat, so I walked into Phosho Dough. The place isn't big, the décor is simple, just like a typical small Vietnamese shop. I went in around 1 p.m., it wasn't very busy, and I found a seat and ordered right away. I got a bowl of beef pho and a pork banh mi. When the pho came, my first impression was that the portion was slightly larger than what most Vietnamese places serve--more broth and noodles, but not so much that you can't finish. The broth tastes quite authentic, on the lighter Vietnamese side, not oily or heavy, and the seasoning is balanced. They give a decent amount of beef slices too; even toward the end there's still meat, not just noodles. Overall the flavor is straightforward but good--something you'd probably order again. The pork banh mi was a pleasant surprise. The bread was toasted just right--crispy outside, soft inside, not too hard. The pork has good flavor, seasoned in a traditional way, and they add slightly more pickled veggies and cucumbers than usual, so each bite has good texture. The sandwich is a bit larger than average, filling but not overly heavy. Looking around, most people seemed to be ordering similar items. Portion size definitely seems like one of the strengths of this restaurant--not huge, but just a little more than average, enough to feel satisfied. The prices are also reasonable, especially for this area. The environment is clean and simple, nothing fancy, but easy to eat comfortably. This is the kind of place you come for convenience and reliable food, not for ambiance. Overall, today's meal was good: authentic flavor, reasonable prices, slightly larger portions, and filling. It's not a place that blows you away, but if you're nearby and want Vietnamese food without spending too much, Phosho Dough is an easy, low-risk choice. I might come back next time to try their spring rolls or other noodle dishes. read more

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I'm a sucker for dining places like Phosho Dough that have a big screen tv showing a place, cooking show, or movie that references where their cuisine originates - it's like being transported to another place. Phosho Dough is a cute, hip spot for tasty Vietnamese fare. My shrimp and pork vermicelli bowl was gigantic and filled to the top with plenty of meat, veggies, and herbs. Everything was fresh and I was able to make two meals of it. Looking forward to trying more of their eats! read more

Phosho Dough - Shrimp and Pork & Shrimp Vermicelli Bowl - Vietnamese Near Me - Berkeley, California

Walked in with a friend and was really excited for the different menu options. Menu looked great, liked what I saw on social too! I had the chicken vermicelli and it was sooooo good! Really hit the spot. For me the highlight was the fried egg rolls wrapped in a spring roll! I haven't had anything exactly like that so it was a cool twist! Thai tea was awesome too! Service was nice, staff checked in a few times which was nice and the place was cute! I liked the seating pretty comfy and had indoor and outdoor seating. Definitely coming again to try more of the menu! read more

Phosho Dough - Chicken Vermicelli, Grilled Shrimp over Pork Rice, Fried Egg Rolls wrapped in Spring Rolls, Thai Tea and Vietnamese Coffee - Vietnamese Near Me - Berkeley, California

Great food and friendly helpful people! We have tried 4 different soups and noodles, and each was good! I would have any of them again And I love the name! read more

2nd time here. Wanted something light. Had the fried egg rolls wrapped in rice paper w/ fish sauce (bc I prefer it over peanut sauce ;). It was just what I wanted! I always find it so cumbersome to wrap my own egg rolls and get fish sauce all over my hands, so this makes it so much cleaner to eat I just wish they had imperial rolls; the kind wrapped in rice paper and double fried for that super crispy roll. Need to try the bo kho next time! They say it's the savory kind. I tend toward the Vietnamese spots that don't put a ton of sugar in their soups., and I grew up in a Vietnamese restaurant (southern style), so I'm excited to come back to try more! Loving all the options I see here so far! read more

Phosho Dough - Fried Egg Rolls Wrapped in Spring Rolls. Bc who wants to wrap it themselves? - Vietnamese Near Me - Berkeley, California

Vietnamese with a twist that hits every time. Solid service and flavor that has become a staple in my local rotation! read more

Phosho Dough - Grilled Shrimp Spring Roll, Pork and Shrimp Noodle Soup, Spicy Sauce - Vietnamese Near Me - Berkeley, California

Whenever I come down with a cold, I've always ordered the chicken broth from Pho Sho Dough and it'd save my life. I'm so happy that they now have a location on San Pablo! The restaurant is pretty spacious inside. You'll need to order at the counter before you seat yourself. We ordered our usual faves and was not disappointed! I love their grilled noodle soup series and the chicken always comes out super tender. There're a ton of protein in the noodle soup and the overall portions are generous. Flavors are also consistently on point. If you crave a warm bowl of pho, this is the spot to get it in Berkeley. read more

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The people here are super nice and chill. I've been a few times now, and my go-to is the spring roll with the fried egg roll inside. It's different--but hits every damn time. I've also tried their Chicken Pho, which was really tasty (though the to-go portion was a bit on the smaller side). Unfortunately, the chicken Banh Mi didn't do it for me--the texture of the meat seemed off. Other than that, this small joint is straight vibes. Recommend trying their Thai Tea and their Twisted Thai Tea (mixed with coffee) Taste: 8/10 Service: 10/10 Cleanliness: 10/10 Creativity: 10/10 read more

They have indoor or outdoor seating. I decided to sit outside and it was super peaceful. The service was quick and you order food up front before sitting. I ordered the fresh shrimp spring rolls and sliced beef pho and it was phenomenal. There was so much beef in the pho, they def don't skimp! read more

Phosho Dough - Shrimp spring rolls and beef pho - Vietnamese Near Me - Berkeley, California

Excellent banh mi -- meaty, big, and tasty. A good value. I will save a more detailed review for a time when we try more dishes. read more

Phosho Dough - Beef vermicelli - meaty! - Vietnamese Near Me - Berkeley, California

TLDR; will try again, likely focus on the Banh Mi's and drinks Food (of 5) Sliced Beef & Beef Ball Noodle Soup (Pho) + Spicy - 3 Shrimp Spring Rolls - 3.5 Thai Iced Tea - 4 Grilled Pork Sandwich (Banh Mi Heo) - 4.5 Beef Vermicelli - 3 Service / Ambiance (Doordash) As expected Spicy broth was good but since I added their homemade spicy sauce I can't compare to past pho. The sliced beef was tough and chewy. Meatballs were good. Shrimp spring rolls were decent, nothing notable. Banh Mi was top notch according to my son who said he was savoring it. Beef Vermicelli was not as good as past favorite version from Ben Tre (peninsula) read more

Decent meatballs Pho plus fresh coconut juice. Recommend $$. And it was a yes! And enjoy the bustling sidewalk too. read more

Phosho Dough - Meatballs Pho on the sidewalk of Berkeley. - Vietnamese Near Me - Berkeley, California

Another unbelievable discovery for me and this is now my new favorite and best Vietnamese restaurant in the East Bay. A friend told me to come, and I just cannot believe how tasty and how filling and creative the dishes were . along with the staff being so kind and concerned I just can't recommend this place enough. read more

My husband and I stumbled upon this AMAZING place. The ambience is eclectic; a mixture of small Asian American dive style sit in (food to order at the register) that's both urban and modern. It's a kind of place I expect to find in Oakland. The staff were very friendly and knowledgeable about their food. We didn't have to think much about what to order, the staff gave us all the right recommendations! We ordered their giant banh mi - grilled pork. This was delicious. It had all the authentic ingredient, the relish and the key ingredient - Banh mi butter. Of course the grilled pork was soft and tender, with the right amount of charred lemongrass paste. The bread was fresh, right amount of golden crunch from the outside and soft white bread on the inside. We ordered and fish pho with a side of spicy lemongrass paste to add to taste! The soup tasted clean and balanced. The fish was delicate and fatty in texture! It was great! The eggrolls wrapped in spring roll was delicious but also smart. I didn't think I would describe food as smart. There's a custom of eating eggrolls in wrapped in lettuce and herbs; and this accomplished this without mess and the hassle of wrapping it yourself. Last but not least, the Thai tea Vietnamese coffee mix was very nice. It had the bitterness of the Vietnamese coffee and also the floral aspect of Thai tea. It was delish! read more

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Bro. This is the largest imperial roll/egg roll that I've ever seen. It's like 6 imperial rolls in one. I don't even know what to say or how to feel. read more

Ordered the fried egg roll spring rolls, lemongrass beef banh mi, and chicken vermicelli bun for delivery. everything was delicious the banhi mi was the best i ever had read more

Love the mince crab soup - a lot like the one my mom makes; very authentic! Please Phosho Dough, make this soup permanent on the menu! The other good items are the sandwiches. read more

Phosho Dough opened in the vacated space of KC's BBQ. Decor totally vitalizes space with vibrant murals. Interior seating only. Order at counter. Food brought to table in 10ish minutes. Offerings: appetizers, drinks. Sandwiches, extras, rice bowl, noodle soup, grilled noodle soup, vermicelli bowls. Bites: lemongrass beef sandwich (9.5) 5% off-cash -yuge warmed banquette generously filled with cucumbers, daikon strips, carrots, jalapenos, cilantro, lemongrass flavored beef slices. -enough for 2 meals, didn't check spread. Probably the usual pate, butter, mayo.... -very yummy, fresh ingredients. 4.5 stars-Worthy! Fabulous decor. Deliz comfort food. Street parking nearby. Smiling service....definite repeat... read more

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I had such a great experience here a few days ago! Last time I ordered, I thought I got egg noodles, but it turns out they had actually given me rice noodles -- and my son ended up loving them. So this time I ordered egg noodles again, but when I opened the container and saw the actual egg noodles, I realized the rice noodles were the ones I wanted all along. I let the gentleman at the counter know about the mix-up (which was honestly on me), and he didn't hesitate to replace them for me at no charge. He was so kind and understanding, and I really appreciated how easy and stress-free he made the situation. The counter girl was also super sweet. There were two small containers of sauce in a basket near the register, and when I asked what they were, she explained they were hot sauce and asked if I wanted some. I said yes, and she gave me both even though they were the last two!! Ask yourself, when was the last time you ordered takeout and the counter person wasn't hella stingy? lol Amazing customer service from both of them. Little things like that make such a big difference. Not to mention the food is delicious, I'll definitely keep coming back! read more