An outdoor table was the perfect spot for an evening of career counseling and occasionally contentious discussions of Jarmusch and Soderbergh. I briefly attempted a fact-finding mission to figure out what I ordered last time but pivoted to other matters like discussing co-workers from 2009. As it turns out I duplicated my prior duck confit order, which was excellent. I was lured by brandied cherries. The cheese plate and fries were enjoyable, and the strawberry-rhubarb mezcalita was ideal. The service was great. Credit is due to my friend who chose the venue; while I disagree with his takes on Spielberg and Springsteen we tend to agree on culinary issues. read more

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I've been going to restaurants from the Tour de France restaurant group for decades, starting with L'Express, where some of us from the old City Crab would go for late-night fare after a long shift. These restaurants have always been welcoming, casual, decently priced, serving classic French bistro or brasserie cuisine. Recently, my wife and I had reservations here for an early dinner after seeing an exhibit nearby, and the gorgeous weather invited us to sit outside. Service was professional. The well-made Lillet rouge Spritz and Hugo Spritz set up the usual high expectations. The arugula salad with citrus sections was absolutely fresh, and the dressing complemented the whole. We settled in for a typical solid meal. Which we were not to get. My bouillabaisse looked great, with plenty of shellfish, plump sections of fish, and a goodly amount of shrimp, with a fat crouton smeared with saffron aioli. My wife's Duck confit looked good as well, with roasted fingerling potatoes. Classic stuff. All good, until I started eating. The bouillabaisse desperately needed seasoning. I took the top off the salt shaker to pour out small piles of salt into my palm, to sprinkle around the bowl. Three then four times. My wife added a pinch more as well. And lots of pepper. The fish, not monkfish but softer cod, was well cooked, as were the mussels, clams, potatoes, and shrimp. No problems with that. But the broth lacked depth of flavor. Frankly, I was shocked. The Confit was better, but still needed salt. Only a small part of the skin kept any crispness, but that might be the style--this leg was coated in a brown sauce, which would make limp any skin crisped during reheating. My preferences, perhaps. My wife has gone here before and liked it. But this day, the main courses underwhelmed. This is the first of dozens of meals from the restaurants we have not enjoyed. Perhaps it was an off day? Or a prep cook forgot to add salt? At least the Petite Chablis I had by the carafe--1.5 glasses--was good, and the right amount. I wouldn't have gotten it if the waiter hadn't pointed that option out. I doff my hat at him. read more

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First time I'm giving a 5-star rating. I didn't have any negative critique about the staff, decor, seats & seating ambiance or quality & quantity of food ordered from the 2026 restaurant week summer menu ($45 dinner per person). Between my friend and i, we ordered the duck liver pate which is rich & hearty and crispy calamari was less crispy but airy for appetizers. For entrees, we ordered seafood risotto and short rib parmentier. The truffle jus around the parmentier was amazing, I needed more. For dessert, we both ordered the chocolate mousse minus the raspberry coulis. The chocolate mousse was just sweet enough & chocolatey enough - I could've to licked my plate. It was all scrumptious. Each item was cooked to perfection. After dessert, ordered a blackberry julep which was well made and refreshing. This cocktail put me in a good mood. read more

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Meals on meals. Came here for breakfast to escape the tourist area of New York. It was a pleasant surprise on our trip. The service was fair. Nothing show stopping but it got the job done. The vibe was classic new york. It was giving tradition and a little character. I loved the whole vibe. It was a quaint corner restaurant. They also had outdoor seating but we chose for the indoor AC option in the summer. For meals we tried the steak and eggs, French toast and the three eggs breakfast with chicken sausage. Everything was so good. The steak has so much flavor. We tried eggs over easy and scrambled egg whites. The tomato was the shocker. It was lightly season and sautéed. Yum. The home fries were also seasoned to perfection and cooked just soft enough. The French toast was a little too crunchy on the edges but the flavors were there. Gave it a whirl and it did not disappoint. Eat here then take the two block walk to central park. read more

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UWS New Yorkers are spoiled by anything convenient, enriched with joy from within; & only expect the very best especially when it comes to food, service and the ambiance on any given day at a restaurant. Bonjour from a kindhearted, satisfying customer who just experienced beyond stellar customer service along with care at FRENCH ROAST. My pancakes melted into my nostrils, mouth, lips and tongue. savoring in buttery madness, soaked in warm maple syrup, that was oozing all over, dripping down the sides, all are joyously happy; even Moi. From the time you enter French Roast, your presence is roasted in perfection. Passion from the staff, manager and radiant atmosphere hosts. Toast it up! read more

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1) ambience - excellent. Small, friendly with a nice bar full of locals. Bartender was friendly and knowledgeable. 2) service was outstanding. 3) food - we had the escargot for an appetizer, it was excellent. 4) entrees - I ordered the Bronzino special, my friend ordered the salad. We shared and we both assessed the food as excellent. 5) we had decaf cappuccino (I had a sambuca) to finish our meal. All told, an excellent meal. We talked a lot and had an excellent time. 5 stars. read more

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My family loves French food since we have French/ Spanish backgreund and I personally have learn to cook French food, so this restaurant doesn't disappoints. The food is consistently good, full of flavor, and feels authentic. You can tell a lot of locals dine here, which is always a great sign. The restaurant is spacious, comfortable, and can easily accommodate large parties, making it a great choice for family dinners or celebrations. They have a great variety of wines to choose from, the prices are fair for the quality and the experience, and the service is always attentive. We had a wonderful time and will definitely be coming back! read more

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Just moved to the neighborhood and have passed by French Roast many times. Coffee, breakfast, brunch, lunch, dinner always looks good with a great crowd. Decided to go for dinner tonight, needless to say we will be back in the morning for breakfast. Vanilla latte was superb, French onion soup was a must, dinner specials were absolutely phenomenal; grilled chicken beet salad and Grilled hanger steak. Can't wait to try more of the menu and spend some time here. read more

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This place was great. Very tightly packed, so as a Floridian where you can spread out at every restaurant you go to, I had to remind myself "I'm in the city" and this is part of the vibe. Awesome food and superb service. Ambiance was fun too. A definite go to if you are in the city. read more

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Such a cute neighborhood local spot for brunch or dinner before a movie. You can tell regulars come here often and enjoy their time with family. I loved my smoked salmon hash; it had great flavor and lots of vegetables. Also the latte was less than $7 which when do you ever see that anymore?? Great great service and super cheery. We could sit and chat for hours! read more

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French Roast is a quaint little French bistro on the Upper West side with both indoor and outdoor space. You truly do get a suave, French street-like ambiance here, which adds to the experience. This was be a particularly nice restaurant to sit outside at on a nice day. We ordered some lemonade and a piña colada ($18), which came in a fun tiki glass! This was one of the better piña coladas I've had. We took her dad here for Father's Day, and opted to share a number of dishes. We started with the Crispy Goat Cheese ($18). Which was creamy, crispy, and delicious, paired with smashed beets and blackberry which was a really interesting flavor profile. We really liked this, but would recommend it be shared by no more than 2 people because of the portion size. We also started with the burrata tartlette ($23) which consisted of creamy burrata, puff pastry, prosciutto, grilled peaches, and balsamic glaze. This one, while good, was less exciting than the previous. For entrees, we ordered chicken and waffles ($25) and the steak frites ($32), both of which were beautiful and we inhaled them. Unfortunately, the food did take quite a while to come out. Nothing worth freaking out over, and our waitress was nice enough to let us know it would take a little while longer. Additionally, it would have been nice if the chicken and waffle chicken was boneless. We had quite the laugh at us hacking and sawing at it to get to the meat! Cute place, we had a good time! read more

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I came to dinner with three friends on a Friday night in December at around 7pm and had a phenomenal time. This was my first time ever trying French Roast and I can see what the hype is all about. This corner restaurant is so cute and has an immaculate cozy/intimate neighborhood bistro feel to it. They put up some Christmas decorations which made it also feel a little festive! We had a reservation in advance which was a good idea since the place was absolutely packed. We got seated on time and our waiter quickly came by our table to get our order for drinks and explain the specials for the day. My friends all got different drinks with a favorite being their Negroni. For food I tried: -Soupe du jour: today the soup was a red pepper cream soup which was very good! The day was cold so this was the perfect starter to warm me up before the meal. The soup was creamy and had a deep flavor of roasted bell peppers balanced out by a light cream. Very nicely portioned for the price! -Black sea bass: tried this as my main and was very happy. The fish was cooked very well overall (although some of the side pieces were slightly chewy), but the center was perfectly flaky. This is a pretty substantial meal and comes over a bed of the most deliciously roasted root vegetables that just add the perfect caramelized and earthy base to this dish. There is also some mashed cauliflower that adds a little bit of texture without the heaviness of potatoes. This is drizzled with some lobster reduction which just ties it all together and elevates this dish x1000. Would order again. -crème brûlée: my friend and I split this! Price was a little high for the portion but the dessert was pretty delicious:creamy, a little sweet, and with a nice caramelized top that you can tap with your spoon. Nice portion of berries on top. - vanilla gelato: I ordered a scoop of their vanilla gelato since it was only $3. I did not have high expectations but their gelato is pretty good here! Super creamy and the vanilla flavor was really rich. Perfect to complement any dessert. -profiteroles: tried half of one from my friend and was not a huge fan. These were definitely a little stale and I did not love them. My other friend did get the bread pudding and loved it so this may be the way to go if you want a bread dessert. For other dishes, two of my friends got the burger which they both really enjoyed, and highly recommended. My other friend got the duck which she loved but she thought the risotto was a little bit insipid. Overall, the food was good for the most part but the ambiance is what really makes this place special for me. I usually don't put a lot of weight on that aspect of restaurants but I think this one has a particularly exceptional vibe for a very cute cozy dinner or brunch. The service was also so good and I really appreciated how they left our table to hang out for like an hour after dinner without pressuring us to leave, it really felt like we were in a European bistro. I can now see why this place is such a popular one in this neighborhood. I look forward to coming back to try their brunch! read more

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My review is a love note to French Roast's thick omelette. Yes the vibes are fun and service is great, but this omelette is just amazing: it's made with three eggs and generously filled - I got mine with onions, bacon, and cheese. If you eat less eggs these days, stop here for brunch and treat yourself to one of their big and fluffy omelettes. read more

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So I was in the neighborhood and got a craving for a Cheeseburger and recalled seeing that French Toast has a Pat LaFrieda Butger.. So I figured why not see what it's about right? So I ordered my burger with Crispy fries! The burger was as requested.. Just cheese and an egg over easy.. it was good.. Honestly not the most incredibly delicious but it was good. They could use some flavor. Maybe some salt and pepper.. or some adobo.. Some type of flavor for the meat.. So I added my own salt and pepper.. meh.. the crispy fries were not so crispy.. Sometimes your request goes in one ear and out the other.. I dunno.. But I ate some nonetheless.. That's it.. I honestly don't think I'll go for the burger again.. It just didn't hit the taste factor.. At least not for me.. But their brunch is pretty hitting! And that's my report guys! -Ray read more

French Roast - Cheeseburger with an over easy egg and Hand-Cut Fries - French Near Me - New York, New York

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A lovely spot on the west side that was hopping with activity. We enjoyed light fare with the salmon cakes and iced coffee and iced drinks. The place was crowded yet staff friendly and attentive. I'll be back to check out staples of the menu. read more

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We celebrated my father's birthday here tonight. Huge portions, quality food, and they sang to him which made him feel special. The crab cake was my mvp of the meal! Yum! read more

French Roast - Crab Cake - French Near Me - New York, New York

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Very Rive-Gauche. Delicious, quite authentic French food. Crowded, but in a very congenial way, especially on week-ends. Happy bar scene. A true restaurant du quartier. read more

Really enjoyed the food a lot. We shared the burrata and the frisée salad which were both really good. The duck confit was so good. The meat was cooked perfectly and the duck skin was crispy. The risotto texture was a bit gummy but the flavor was there. I loved the brandied cherrys. The chocolate lava cake for dessert was good. Texture overall could've been smoother. The pomegranate reduction was nice. The service and ambiance was very nice. Would definitely recommend. read more

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This requires numbers: 1) Reservation for Aug. 14, the last night French Roast was participating in Restaurant Week, per its website. As required to reserve online, I requested indoor table and chose Restaurant Week option. 2) Website advises that a reservation will be held for 10 minutes, but dining time starts at your reservation time and 1.5 hours are allocated for your dining time. I asked my dining partner to arrive early. 3) My friend was 15 minutes early and seated in the heat and humidity in front of the place on a filthy sidewalk, at a table that had at least a 25 degree angle. Menus had already been placed on the table, even though the website says no one will be seated until the whole party is there. (Hint: power wash your sidewalk -- it's Broadway.) I told a staffer seating people outside that our reservation was for indoors; he said he would get us a table. We were seated at the second table in from the kitchen with its noise and constant waiter traffic and a backdoor to which trash in large waste bins was dragged across the restaurant in between tables at which patrons were eating, and then out the back door. (Example, one that was filled with bottles and trash from behind the bar was hauled past us.) 4) No air conditioning. When asked why not, the hostess said they had complained but it wasn't fixed. 5) I told my friend I wanted to leave, but she was embarrassed to walk out after having been seated twice. 6) Bus boy brought regular menus. I asked for the Restaurant Week menu and was told Restaurant Week was over. Your website says it includes tonight. Reply: let me get the manager. Enter manager who says OK, but we are out of some items. Fine, let's see it. She produced Restaurant Week menus, said they were out of one of the appetizers, one of the entrees, and one of the desserts, and then she vanished. 7) The food was less than mediocre. Squid appetizer: about half a cup of the tiniest rings of squid I have ever seen spread over wilted lettuce, with an indiscernible thin white dressing and bit of sauce. The short rib entree: I know from short ribs and this wasn't. It was rubbery large shreds of a tasteless cut of meat, on top of and topped with watery, runny mashed potatoes, surrounded by what tasted like canned gravy. I asked for ketchup to mask the taste of the gravy and give the meat some flavor. Dessert: substitute was two profiteroles drizzled with a bit of chocolate syrup and a few almond slices--the pastry tasted like it had been in a freezer for some time. A man at a table beside us was served profiteroles, which looked appetizing and were different from what I was served. I asked the waitress why the difference: she said his was different because it wasn't on the Restaurant Week menu. Good bye French Roast. read more

Good, solid spot on the Upper West Side exuding a chill NYC vibe. There was another location downtown which I believe closed but I've been to both for a combined handful of times. French Roast sits right on the corner of Broadway and 85th Street with indoor, sidewalk and shed seating. Yes, some restaurants have kept the additional shed seating option. Service was friendly and quick. We ordered twin meals: Aperol Spritz and 3 egg omelet (choose 3 fillings). We selected mushroom, Avocado and spinach for the filling. Mine with home fries while my friend chose the French fries. As we waited for the omelet, Aperol Spritz was brought to the table and made satisfactory. In no time, our mains arrived looking inviting and delicious. The omelet was on the drier side which may be good for keeping healthy. On the other hand, it was a bit dry. Perhaps the lack of cheese contributed to it? The fillings were a bit skimpy as I couldn't taste much spinach. Avocado was sliced and sat on the top of the omelet. Overall, we were very satisfied with our meal and service. I've had better omelets but this was just fine. The home fries were more like sliced potatoes and a little odd to what I'm used to. Again, it worked. I'd say French Roast is about a 3.5. I'd return. read more

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[Edited to remove a mistake and with a response to the owner.] I am now in my late 60s and this fact may affect my view of the restaurant. It's a block from my sister's apartment and we'd been there long ago. We were there for Sunday brunch, a reservation having been made by said sister for noon. No problem being seated though it was crowded. But the core issue is the noise. It is LOUD. I could barely hear what those at my table said. Maybe it's because I'm old though I was recently given a hearing test and passed it! Most of those there were far, far younger and maybe they weren't bothered. But the place is loud. While I thought this was intentionally done to create a faux buzz about the place but the owner assures me that it is merely the natural noise of many patrons enjoying themselves in a small space. This I think is at least in part because of the ceiling, which reflects and doesn't absorb sound. Perhaps employing some noise dampening effects would help with the noise. The irony is that the noise is a product of its popularity and given what looked to be a largely local clientele, they don't seem to be deterred by it. In the end, it is something you should be aware of. The food itself was...mediocre. I had traditional Eggs Benedict. They were flat, almost tasteless. The fries were good, though. The staff was subpar, though this may be an issue of understaffing. We were made to feel that we should be thankful that they deigned to notice let alone care for us. It took three tries to get someone to refill my coffee; why no one is walking the room with a carafe to top people off at brunch is beyond me. Again, though, this may be a staffing (or staff availability) issue. read more

It's a solid place, food is always spot on, great brunch, perfect poached eggs, flaky croissants, proper French onion soup. The bar is great, the coffee is good. Only downside it gets really packed and very loud. Outdoor seating is unpleasant due to scaffolding and limited seating read more

This was a disappointing dinner. The dinner. The highlight was the latte. Sadly the onion soup did not have Gruyère. It eas Probably mozzarella and awful. The Chicken pate was hard as a rock The scallop special which was special was nice but the scallops were cut in half so when I asked hang came in a oortio and was told 5 or 6 I was impressed. The profitables werenstale and not even warmed. Not a good night. Service was fine and ambiance was nice but very noisy at prime time. read more

We came in for Happy Hour on a frigid night. We went away happy, warm and filled with good cheer, drink and food. Wine offerings were good. My Malbec was jammy and dry. Our Happy Hour mussels were a surprise! Portion was substantial with beautiful whole grain peasant bread chunks served alongside a steaming pot of perfectly steamed mussels. The broth was flavored with white wine, garlic onions and fresh parsley. It was totally satisfying. Service was excellent. Server was efficient, gracious and kept an eye on us without intruding. Room was full but noise level was low enough for 4 people to chat without shouting. I love French Roast and will return for dinner, too! read more

I am not a fan of giving a non appreciative review, however, when a restaurant misses ALL of the key points of dining out, I feel obligated to share my experience. I went with some old coworkers for dinner on a Friday night. The restaurant was packed and so dimly lit I could not see the menu clearly. We had a reservation yet were seated in a space that should have been a 2 seater table but, unfortunately, they made into a 3 seater. Bad idea. I was uncomfortable the entire time as my chair was smashed against a Maître D/staff station. The waiters congregated there talking and laughing over me as I tried to eat my food. They were also constantly going in a drawer at the podium which caused them to brush up against me each time. This alone is enough for me to never come back. However, I did want to see how the food and service were. I should have left when I walked in the door. 1) FOOD: over priced and absolutely HORRIBLE! I am a vegetarian and they did not offer much on the menu for my diet. I decided to go with the Gnocchi Primavera which was AWFUL. It was gummy textured and overly sauced. I picked out and ate a few of my vegetables and left hungry. For $26, I needed a refund to go elsewhere for a proper meal. My friend ordered the Black Sea Bass and stated it tasted very "fishy" which is indicative of the fish going bad. We both have worked in fine dining before and understand the importance of FRESH fish. Her $34 meal was definitely a disappointment. Our 3rd guest ordered the Coq Au Vin and seemed okay with it. He said it was "not the best but edible". 2) SERVICE: in a nutshell it absolutely SUCKED! We were not given any attention, we waited a very long time to receive our bill, and I noticed the Maitre D/floor manager laughing and fraternizing with the staff instead of attending to guests. In his defense, he looked very young and inexperienced but this is not an excuse for being unprofessional. 3) BATHROOM: did not even try it as I was so disappointed with the food and service I could not bear a 3rd one. Really, I found nothing positive about this establishment and will not patronize it in the future. read more

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I love this place. I come with my family all the time for almost every holiday and almost every birthday. The staff is really like one big family. The hostess is great, the manager is great and the food is amazing! I always love coming here. read more

So my beloved, who is a Michelin Star trained chef who has mentored with Michel Guerard, Alain Senderens, Pierre Troisgros, Roger Verge, Anne Willan and Barbara Tropp decided to surprise me after a rare night to go to French Roast. We tried the Restaurant Week menu with a few add-ons. Our server was named Drago, who actually was very attentive and extremely personable. Our food was extremely well prepared, especially the salmon which my beloved likes it medium rare, so one can taste the freshness of the sea. Will definitely be going to them again and again, and if you do go look for Drago, he'll definitely take care of you. read more

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Food is good...nothing earth shattering. I would like to go there generally because of the convenience of the location. If you want to go alone, you will be forced to sit at the bar. The hostess refuses to allow people who dine alone to sit at a table. A bit of a turnoff. read more

I was hoping to try a real chocolat chaud which is advertised on their menu, but I was highly disappointed. They served me milk with hersheys chocolate syrup (I know the taste I drank it my whole life). If this was a real French restaurant they should have authentic French food and drinks. Very disappointed will not be stopping by again. read more

French Roast - French Near Me - New York, New York

David our server was great!! All of the staff was great actually. I have been here numerous times and this time the food was underachieving. My wife said the Shushuka is usually great but this time her egg was not runny(which she requested) ..and the spinach did not seem sautéed ...my waffle was a bit on the "toasty" "Leggo my Eggo" style ..don't mean to be picky but want to offer constructive criticism. Still a great place to visit and will come back FO SHO ! read more

French Roast - Shakshuka Belgian Waffles - French Near Me - New York, New York

I have been coming here for years, always for dessert. I am so happy to see it has not changed. We ordered the chocolate brownie with ice cream and it was good. My friend ordered a cappuccino and he liked it. This reminds me of the New York; I grew up in and brings back memories of when I was younger. We would order dessert after the movies. The service was great, very friendly. The place is nice and takes me back in time, a perfect place for a date. read more

French Roast - Brownie - French Near Me - New York, New York

French Roast is an intimate bistro tucked away in the upper side of Manhattan, came here on a rainy Wednesday with my loved ones to celebrate my recent engagement. We all ordered off the Winter 2024 Restaurant Week menu, which was quite a deal for $45. I ordered the escargot, steak frites, and chocolate brownie, all of which were generously portioned and well prepared. My fiancé ordered the duck mousse, lamb shank, and gelato. The highlights of our meal were definitely the appetizers and entrees, the dessert was a little disappointing (my fiancé's gelato was grainy and unappetizing). Overall, I would recommend coming here for restaurant week if you get a chance! read more

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The pâté is stellar!!! Great short ribs on mashed potatoes. YUM. The mussels were enjoyed by my table mates. I thought the service rocked!! My husband actually thought they were too fast. We might have lingered longer if given the opportunity. The decor is very much like a French bistro. read more

I've been here a few times, and they do a good job, especially on breakfast/brunch items. Service is usually quick, with appropriately attentive servers - though you will likely need to get their attention. The only disappointments have been when I've ordered French fare like cassoulet, which looked good, but had muted flavors, though the portion was generous. read more

The food was phenomenal, the desserts were great. Morgan the manager was attentive and made sure our service was excellent. On a Monday night the atmosphere was nice even when busy you were still able to have a conversation and hear yourself. Would certainly recommend dining here. read more

Such a classic UWS cafe with a comfy French diner menu, cocktails, and plenty of outdoor seating I had the brioche French toast, and it was delicious! Thick pillows of custard-rich triangles with crisp corners made perfect when bathed in pure maple syrup. I ordered a side of sausage, and they only had chicken links which were a bit tough for my taste. Service with a smile made for a pleasant breakfast on a sunny, chilly day. read more

French Roast - Brioche French Toast, Chicken Sausage - French Near Me - New York, New York

French Roast always offers a wonderful Soup du Jour. Everytime I dine here I get soup. The champagne is savory and crisp. However, the service needs improvement. The ambiance has an intimate feel with close-knit tables. read more

I personally never think of going here, but many of my companions on the upper West side suggest it and I always meet them there, and I always enjoy it, and I always wonder why I don't eat there or think of the place on my own. That said, very good food, very nice atmosphere, Very nice service... Checks all the boxes. Slightly expensive for what it is, but you don't feel like you're getting ripped off. read more

In the spirit of honesty. the truth must be told This establishment upon a few return visits Sorry to say has major issues with the quality if food presented A simple Hamburger with standard accompanying fries red onion small Boston piece of lettuce substandard tomato Disappoints We had to send the order back to the kitchen request Not To Burn Char Burger with ap preference for freshly cooked fries and a larger portion than barely filly the cone, etc// The waitstaff upon observation, is Hectic Scattered hard to get their attention Our waiter came to the table 3 times. too much, not a moments peace// Restaurant,strict;y for tourists and customers who don't care for value in their food Prices were Have Risen. Not Worth the Trouble read more

We just had dinner here on a whim since we dropped off our daughter at a nearby movie theater. Lina, our server was amazing! She had great recommendations and took her time with plenty of details. We've been going to L'express, it's sister restaurant, for almost 20 years and I have to say that this food was definitely tastier. I do like the mood of L'express because the lighting is dimmer, but this was ok too. Definitely coming back. read more