​"While we started on the wrong foot, Atticali EcoShield proved they care about their reputation and their customers. They sent someone out to re-do the work and ensure the attic was fully sealed and rodent-free. The communication during this second phase was excellent. I've changed my rating from 1 to 5 stars because of their commitment to fixing the problem." read more

I want to thank Atticali for taking on our rodent-control job and doing excellent work to help us stop our rat infestation. Ours was a tricky project because our home is a townhouse that's one unit in a 6-unit building, and we're part of an HOA. Prior to calling Atticali, I had another company come out and do an inspection. They said the only way to solve the problem is to do exclusion work to seal all the places where rats are getting in across the entire building, including entry points on the common roof. But that company would not take the job because they were not insured to work on roofs and also because they didn't want to deal with an HOA. So, I called Atticali based on their good ratings. Irving was our inspector who came out and did a super thorough job of inspecting not only our unit but much of the entire building. I followed him throughout the inspection, which took about 3 hours. Some of my neighbors let Irving inspect their attics, where he showed me evidence of rats in each one of those attics. Irving identified many entry points on the common roof and verified that the only way to solve the problem is to seal all those entry points across the entire roof of the 6 units. I tried to rally my neighbors to have this job done together and properly because we all had rats in our attics and walls. But my neighbors were not interested. I also spoke to my HOA to see if they would cover the cost of the required work on the roof or at least approve this work to be done on our roof, since the HOA is responsible for the roof. (Note that these are one-story units with no access to the attics except for a small attic area above each garage, so the rodent exclusion work had to be done mostly on the roof and exterior.) Atticali was very accommodating and agreed to seal the areas they could in and above our one unit. They also agreed to work with our HOA regarding the required work on the roof. The two men who came did an excellent and thorough job, cleaning up all rat droppings and debris, and sealing all possible entry points. They did miss a bit of clean up, but once I pointed it out to them they cleaned the area very thoroughly. Even though we know it's not the ultimate solution (to have only our one unit addressed) and rats can theoretically get into our unit via our neighbor's unit, we have not seen any evidence of rats inside since then. Thank you Atticali! read more

I hired Atticali to install radiant barrier in my attic with the goal of decreasing my summertime air conditioning usage and electric bill. It was a very positive experience from start to finish. Everybody on the project, from the estimator, to the office staff, to the technicians who did the work, was helpful, efficient, and most importantly, quality-conscious. I am impressed with their work ethic and would definitely hire them again if I have additional attic projects in the future. Glad to have found them! read more

Great service. For the estimation Isaac explained everything to me about the problem and my options and tradeoffs. I choose to go with the recommended solution. When Oscar arrive, he confirmed how everything would go again. Also checked other places in the house that we opened prior to the visit, has respectful of the place. He took photos and videos of the job, so I wouldn't need to crawl into my half attic. It was a treatment half attic with multiple possible entries, including one identified from the garage. Around 800 sqft. They replaced all plywood insulation with cellulose. $4000, which was great value and worth all the work they done just by the difficulty it was. read more

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No show no call during schedule window even though it was confirmed the day before. Use my wfh day to stay home for the inspection. They apologized and wanted to reschedule but why would I would waste another day? read more

I recently installed solar and wanted to reduce gas use as much as possible, this includes not turning on my furnace this winter and using electric heaters. But obviously those do not work as well (thinking of getting mini-splits in the future) so it was constantly cold and uncomfortable in my house these past few months. I saw some ads on Facebook about attic insulation (Attic Cali was not the ad I saw) so I went on yelp and got some appointments for a few companies to come take a look at my home. Brian came for the estimate and was very helpful. I even rescheduled due to rain and he was very understanding. Attic Cali was able to give me a really good price amongst the 3 options I had. I decided on blown-in cellulose after Brian's recommendation and some research I did on my own. Attic insulation was overall a couple thousand dollars more than I thought (not specific to Attic Cali but in general) but the pricing was still competitive. And with all these storms in the new year (Jan of 2023) I had a lot of concerns about doing the job in the rain. But Brian assured me that they would keep everything dry and clean. Oscar and another team member came the day of installation and both did a fantastic job. They removed my old insulation, air sealed and sanitized the attic, rodent proof the attic and crawl space (luckily I didn't have any rodent infestation), and then blew in the new insulation. Job started at 10am and they finished at 4:30pm. They covered the floors in plastic and covered the working area with plastic from floor to ceiling. And as promised they did keep everything very clean and dry despite some heavy on and off rain. Now my hallway thermostat reads 68 average whereas before it was reading 62. I felt the difference the next day, it was so much more comfortable. Those 6 degrees make a huge difference! The past few days I have not used my heaters as much, when I do it's now just in the mornings when I wake up and evenings before bed. I'm excited to feel the difference in the summer. I honestly didn't think new insulation would be as impactful during the winter since I'm not heating the house much, but it is. From my before and after photos, you can see that I barely had any insulation to start with. I was told it might have been the same insulation as when the house was built many decades ago. Now there's a couple feet worth of insulation. Extremely satisfied with Attic Cali. Thank you! One bonus: their online invoicing system accepts ApplePay, so if you have an AppleCard you can mitigate the 3% service fee for cards with Apple's 2% CB. No service fees if paid by check, other companies have the same 3% fee if paying with card. I paid with card because I don't have any checks and didn't want to drive in the rain to the bank for a cashier's check. Hope this helps anyone researching! read more

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Thank you to Oscar and crew, they worked so hard to rodent proof our attic and crawlspace, getting rid of contaminated items, installing clean vapor barrier plastic on the floor of our crawlspace, rebuilding the hatch to the trapdoor so no rats could get back in, and filling two holes in our foundation with concrete. They even cleaned our garden shed and BBQ, which both had been contaminated by rats. Definitely recommend them! read more

They have atrocious consideration They defer you, they do not turn up, they make up their prices as they go Do not use these clowns. They waste your time and do not turn up for the entire day, and then after waiting all day offer a another week later, after already being a week out One star is too many for their complete lack of work done and atrocious service read more

Atticali did a great job at my family's rental property in San Jose. The old insulation was worn out and gross and the summer was cooking that house. Brian was our estimator and offered the best solution for the money which was R38 pink fiberglass in our case. He also answered questions we had about spray foam and air ducts. They came in at a fair price for the quality of work and quality of materials. They aren't the cheapest but also weren't anywhere close to the most expensive from the quotes we had. The installers were great and did a great job of prepping and keeping everything clean. They worked very hard and got it all done in 1 day. We will use them again when it's time for anything else. read more

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Great service. Great Value. Fast response for quote and only to a day for the project.

Called Atticali and 2 other companies to give estimates for rat infestation. We could hear rats in our attic and crawl space and walls for a longggg while and it started to progress rapidly. Our house started to smell so bad (quickly) and rat droppings everywhere in the attic, garage, and crawlspace. We needed to get these companies out quickly to do the work as we were leaving on a trip in about 10 days. Atticali and their crew to the rescue!! Atticali was able to immediately send Isacc out that same early evening I called them to assess. I was thrilled with their quick response, Isacc's knowledge, chill demeanor and even more thrilled when he sent the estimate later that night as promised. We got the other quotes and found Atticali to be a very fair price for all the work they were doing. We felt Atticali was the most prompt, communicative, complete in-house full service, was going to take care of all our needs, plus was able to fit in our service before we left on our trip. We signed the contract, paid the deposit and got on the books for the following week. When we called them for the rat infestation, they advised asbestos to our ducts and the damage the rats did to our duct work, so we replaced that also. First day they sent the asbestos crew to remove all duct work, they were prompt, efficient, safety protocols in place, nice and easy to work with. The following day they sent our two man crew of Oscar (lead) and Cordova. What a two man crew these guys were!!! Oscar was so knowledgeable, had so many good suggestions, made me feel at ease and taken care of, and wow what freaking hard workers!! Both these guys were nothing but hard working professionals that knew their stuff. They took tons of pictures (99 of them) of the job to show us the progress of the job. They rat proofed our house on the outside working tirelessly to find the entry points to seal and found something like 20-30 entry points. They removed old insulation, sealed up all the holes/rodent proofed, installed all the new duct work (making sure to tie up all duct work well) sanitized (2x cause the smell was so bad) and sprayed all new insulation over two days working tirelessly each day. Oscar also walked the property to show me all the trees we needed to cut back to help keep the rats away from the house. He also let me know that I had a plumbing leaking in my kitchen under the house that we had no idea about. I think Oscar and Cordova did a great job and made us feel at ease the whole time in a nerve wracking situation. Job comes with warranty of 3 years for the rats and they set traps to catch any rats that might be left, and will come back and check them like every two weeks. Ive asked how to be on maintenance with them after the 3 years because I don't want the rats back! So far we are rat free and don't hear anything in the walls or attic anymore! The smell is gone. They are our rat hero's and I would 100% recommend Atticali!! read more

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If you're looking for someone with a deep expertise in and passion for what they do who has your best interest in mind, look no further than Isaac. We've been having a rodent problem & while the rodents had been taken care of, we needed help with the aftermath. We were recommended to Isaac by our contractor who had seen his impressive work at other houses. He came over for an estimate and was patient in his thorough explanations and answers to all our questions/concerns. He emailed us an estimate later that night & we had an appointment booked for the following week. Guillermo (also an awesome guy) & his crew of 3 or 4 came out ~9am and were done by ~6pm the same day. In this time, they cleaned up, sanitized, and patched up holes in the attic/basement/garage/around the house and replaced all the insulation in our attic. Amazing turnaround. They were respectful of our home and took extra precautions so as to not damage anything. Nothing but great things to say about this crew, thanks again for all your help Isaac & Guillermo! read more

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Job: Attic insulation Background: My home was cold in the winters and hot in the summers, so I needed new insulation. I did some research and had an idea what the job entailed. I scheduled Attic Cali for a free estimate. Isaac came and looked at my attic. After given an estimate plus a $300 off from yelp, I hired Attic Cali. Work (Start - 9am, Finished - 430pm): - Guillermo and 2 workers arrived on time and started the work area prep and set up. They covered my floors, wall corners, and entrance hallways/living room. You can request any area to be covered and they'll do it. - Loose fill Insulation removal - removed my old insulation with a vacuum and hauled away. - Attic Treatment - Air sealing any gaps and Sanitation - Encapsulation of all asbestos registers in Attic space using their encapsulation spray. - Installation of new Owens Corning Batts insulation in Attic space R-Value: R- 38 - Rodent proofing the exterior vents around my house, if needed. Conclusion: I was pleased with their work. My home is warmer and cooler than before. In addition, the insulation helps with sound proofing. Isaac and Guillermo are responsive. They used good quality Owens Corning Batts (Faced and Unfaced) and cleaned up after completion. One feedback was I wanted Guillermo and his team to update me what has been completed and what work would be performed next. Also, to let me look at the attic after the removal of the old insulation. However, it was not a big deal since they wanted to complete the work without bothering you if you are home. I highly recommend them for attic insulation removal and install. Thanks. read more

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I interviewed 7 different companies to clean our attic and perform rodent control. Atticali was by far the best choice. Many were less expensive, but they lacked the professionalism that would lead us to choose anyone else. Everyone who came to our home, beginning with the 1st inspector to the men who did the actual work to Isaac Who came by today to follow up and do the final inspection. . They were each very friendly and respectful. I highly recommend Atticali. Susan White-Yee read more

(reposting - I accidentally wrote the initial review under my profile with my work email - that I didn't even know I had lol) Wish I could give 10 stars. Attic Cali installed new insulation in my attic, cleaned up a LOT of pest mess and all within one day. As with most of my reviews, I'll separate into categories for easy reading. (NOTE: this attic mess was not my fault, lol; I had the house fumigated when I moved in, but they don't remove rodent mess). Quote - I requested a quote via Yelp's system and Jordan S. was assigned. He came out a few days later and did a very thorough examination of the attic, and the outside of the property. At first I didn't understand why, and then the quote came :-). Incredibly competitive pricing that included rodent proofing the roof, exterior and adding traps. Incredible. Jordan explained everything in detail and as it turns out, everything he stated is exactly what happened. Installation - The lead of the team of 3 was Guillermo B. He met with me first to discuss everything, made sure that I was given an opportunity to see the attic before, during (once cleaning was complete) and after, both by visually viewing and also pictures. So awesome. They covered everything in my home on the path to the attic (including my couch) and vacuumed afterwards. Not a spec of dust was left anywhere. His team worked efficiently and while I had no insulation to remove, there was lots of rodent poo to take care of. They did all of this between 9:30am and 2:15pm. Mid-work walkthrough - As Jordan promised, he showed up almost midway through specifically to ask me how it was going and find out if I had any questions or concerns. He spoke to the team also, but mostly he was there to check on me. He also gave me their updated ETA to finish. He then had other jobs to also check, but wow, that's just incredible integrity. Final walkthrough - Once the team was done, Guillermo walked me through the property and all the rodent proofing they had done (which even my pest control company won't do outside rodent proofing), showed me pics again of the final insulation in the attic and asked if I had any questions at all. I noted that my basement access outside had some netting that wasn't tacked down properly and he immediately got a staple/nail gun and fixed it. So awesome! Text reminders - The quotes, notifications of pending arrival, appointment reminders etc were all done via text, so I never had to wonder where we were in the process or what was happening. I absolutely loved the experience, it was beyond perfect and I would definitely use them again for anything at all. I also made sure they had water in a cooler all day (which I sanitized for their use only) to show them how much they were appreciated. Guillermo and Jordan, you are absolute rockstars. Thank you again for your hard work and attention to detail! The house feels better already! I've attached lots of pics cause, well, who doesn't love pics! read more

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This review is all about the lack of communication and respect for a clients time and nothing to do with services. I schedule an appointment and had a window of 3-5:00pm on a Wednesday. It was 4:45pm and I texted the number that sent me confirmation checking in to make sure everything was ok. Then I get a call at 5:00pm telling me that he was still in Gilroy and will be in traffic for at least an hour if not longer. No thought to call at any time before that letting me know they are in Gilroy and running behind? Needless to say I said nope we won't need your services if you can't even do the simplest call in advance to show courtesy. So, have no idea if they do good or bad work...didn't even get that far. read more

Isaac & his team were great. He came out promptly for our free estimate & inspected all around the house, pointing out all potential issues. He is very knowledgeable & professional. The Service Team came out promptly on the day of service & got to work immediately. They were very thorough & clean. They actually did some small repairs on the HVAC duct work, insulation in the crawl space & for gaps on the chimney. We went with them for the great pricing, which was a great value. We look forward to a rodent free home in the years to come. I highly recommend Atticali! Steve T. (Pleasanton) read more

Removed attic insulation, sanitized attic, replaced insulation. Did a great job, highly recommended. read more

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Issac is very knowledgeable for his work. He handle everything professionally. I would recommend Atticali for any of their services. Atticali did rodent proofing in attic and crawl space. Also did vapour barrier in our crawl space. They took before and after pictures. Atticali crew were so effective in their work and finished on time as promised. I have referred them to my other friends as well. Overall it was decent price, quality work which let to win-win situation. read more

We have a toddler and a newborn at home and recently learned critters were spending their nights in our attic. From inspection to action, everyone at Atticali helped to calm our concern and anxiety, answering all of our questions along the way. Oscar and his associate showed up bright and early, with such great attitudes! They were both extremely personable and knowledgeable, walking me through what was expected for the day. They took great care, prepping the work area-- making sure to protect our walls, carpet, etc. At various points of the day, he shared updates on access points the team discovered, what repair work was completed, and what still needed to be done. Work started at 8am and finished up around 2:15pm. In the end, Oscar shared before and after photos. He took the time to walk me through the extensive job. He even shared a great song recommendation! Thank you, Oscar and associate! read more

Awesome Job!! Isaac was on time, very friendly and professional gave me the quote and I used their first job coupon plus he gave me another discount. Guilermo and his crew were on time. Guilermo showed me all the steps on how they were going to do my attic. He showed me how dirty the attic was before starting the job and he also found out there was an addition to the house that I didn't know about. He let me see how they cleaned and sanitized the attic before installing the insulation. When they finished putting in the insulation I was able to see the end results to make sure everything was finished. They also checked the crawl space under the house and plugged some holes with foam. Highly recommend Attic Cali! read more

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I was torn between a 4 and 5 but ultimately, it seems our mice problem has been taken care of. Attic Cali was able to come out for a quote and schedule work fairly quickly. Their quote was was better than the other places we contacted, plus they have a handy man that they work with who could build a new basement door for us that was most likely contributing to the mice access. All in one service?!? Heck yeah! The Great: - attic: replaced our (backwards installed from previous home owner) insulation, full clean and sanitize, placed traps. The house smelled great after they were done! Instantly felt cleaner. - basement: built a new door (did cost extra), inspected and placed traps - kitchen: installed mesh in problem areas (pantry, under sink) -outside: closed holes with mesh and silicone After they came, we found no new evidence of new mice. At the follow up appt to check the traps they placed, all the traps were still empty! The Not So Great: - we scheduled the follow up appt and no one showed up. We had to call a couple times before someone answered and they told us they couldn't get in touch with the technician. Had to reschedule for a different day/time - during the initial appt, we have some old pictures of husband and I on the fridge. (Don't wanna name names) One of the guys noticed and mentioned how we've gained weight, asked what happened, advised we should exercise, etc. Was pretty awkward. ‍ Overall though, we spent on this the same we would have with another company, except the other company didn't include insulation or the basement door and it seems the mice have moved on so really, I can't complain! read more

I had rats in my attic and Atticali cleaned it up. It took a few attempts over many weeks to find all of the openings, but eventually they were all patched up and the problem was resolved. read more

Attic Cali exceeded our expectations. I never thought that our 5 year fight with rats would ever go away. We had got to the point where our two cats and a pit bull never did there job, and we named the rat inside out kitchen "Lard A**", because it ate everything...including our water outlet on our dishwasher. It has been over a year now and still no rats!! read more

We got several quotes for our rat problem, but Attic Cali were the only ones that offered to do a thorough cleaning and sealing of our attic and replace the insulation (which we desperately needed). And they gave us a 5-year guarantee. It was way more expensive than the other quotes, but it was for way more service and guarantee. And the guy who came for the original quote, as well as the workers who did the job, were very good, and professional. read more

project manager Isacc came on time with 30min notice in advance for the first visit. and then he gave estimate a few minutes after he left with a fair price. Office administrator Raquel is also responsive and reachable. On the day of work, Oscar and Cordova were careful and detail orientated. So far I am satisfied with the job for rodent-proofing and air duct replacement. read more

Update on my original review after which the owner, Issac, contacted me within less than five minutes of the post. Apparently, there was some confusion regarding my appointment. Moving forward, Issac himself came out the next day to inspect the building and provided a quote within minutes of leaving the property. Lesson learned? To maybe not be so quick to judge and confirm appointments the day before. read more

Job: Spray Foam insulation. I called them and I wanted the job to be done ASAP. I was planning on doing all the prework and the post work, so they would only do the spray foam. I had multiple emails with them. Finally, the estimate was given and I went with them because they would be able to fit me in the next day. I was happy with the quick response and their ability to do my job quickly. The team that came was really professional and I believe they did a great job. I am also happy to report they insulated a surface mounted box recently I installed. I am VERY grateful for that. My disappointment was that I have a 50 Amp 208 Volt exterior plug that was not able to be utilized for this job, instead one of the team members had to install a breaker into my electrical panel. I understand there are multiple 50 Amp plugs but there are adapters. This is why I reduced to 4 stars. read more

Provided Rodent Proofing and Sanitation of attic and crawl space, attic Insulation and a Radiant Barrier for garage. AttiCali has the best choice of alternative insulation types. Brian was very responsive to my inquiries. Oscar (team lead) was patient and did a very good job of adjusting the install to the unique needs of my home. Fair price! Noticed right away that the heater was coming on less and house maintains its temperature much better. Best of all, no more rodents and their mites. Yay! No more mite bites. read more

Brian is very knowledgeable and was able to provide great advice regarding various ways to insulate my home. It turned out that a lot of my cold air was coming from my crawlspace and windows, rather than my walls. He also helped me find an insulated foam board to help air-seal my attic entrance! I will definitely contact this company again once I need to replace my old/aging attic insulation, but for now the crawlspace & windows seemed to do the trick! read more

Isaac is a very nice man! He checked my roof, attic and crawl space in real details. And gave some really useful advices on my situation and questions, even it's not part of his work. Most importantly the price is the most competitive among the 4 roof companies I contacted. read more

Needed to do rodent proofing. So glad I called Attic Cali. Had the pleasure of speaking with Sophie over the phone. She was pleasant and helpful. She helped me scheduled an inspection. Jordan came by and he did a thorough inspection. He even took pics to show me what he found. He was pleasant, professional, courteous, and took his time to answer all of my questions. Their prices are fair and reasonable. They are also in constant communication with you via phone or text. Guilermo and his team came out to remove the old insulation, clean, disinfect, install new insulation, and rodent proofed ; setting up traps, sealing up all entry ways. They worked through lunch to finish all in 1 day. They are respectful when working in your home; covering the floors, etc. and vacuumed up afterwards. They even provide you with more before and after pictures as well. Thanks so much Jordan, Guilermo, and the whole team at Attic Cali! read more

Job: Blow-in insulation and Drywall repair They did the job, I got my insulation installed and drywall repaired/painted for a decent price. They were also very tidy, laying down paper and plastic. However, the road to completing the job was filled with scheduling issues and workers showing up after 5pm to start work, or not even showing up some days. I had to call for any update. A 2-day job ended up stretching to 6 days, and multiple calls to the office to get things sorted. My house was pretty much unusable for the week. After finishing the cleanup felt rushed. They did vacuum and mop, but there was still dust and paint drips scattered around the trim. In addition they accidentally took some of my tools and supplies in the rush out. That being said, management was very apologetic and offered a discount for the trouble. Maybe this was a one-off, but I can only review on my personal experience. read more

After my review. The company did follow up. The rework was done to my satisfaction. I'm very happy with the current responsiveness of this company and would recommend them. read more

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We just moved to the area and had a rodent problem in our new home. Turns out we also needed new insulation and duct work repairs. After meeting with a few companies and getting several quotes we went with Atticali. Vinicius was so knowledgeable and helped us with every step and the customer service was phenomenal. Oscar and his team completed all the jobs in a timely manor and did such great work. I could not recommend this company enough! read more

Excellent company, truly professional and there to help customers. I called them for a rodent problem and they came out to inspect and quote and instead of charging me hundreds they gave me excellent advice and tips for how to solve the issue myself since it wasn't too serious and even gave me some free mouse bait for my trap. They showed up on time and even gave text confirmations for appointment time and tech en route. I highly recommend them! read more

Atticali did a good job on an attic insulation replacement job. What impressed me though was the follow-through. Couple issues came up after the job was complete and they came out immediately and prioritized it even after I had paid them. read more

We had the best experience with Atticali for our attic and wall insulation. After poor service from multiple insulation companies who were rude, tried to upsell and didn't listen to us, we couldn't have found a better alternative. They have an excellent office staff: Andrea booked me a week out, but when an opening appeared the day I called, Isaac came within a couple hours for our quote. He was very professional, polite, explained everything, showed us photos of what the insulation process and materials would look like, and listened to what we wanted. Unlike other companies where we waited days for a quote, he quoted us within minutes and broke down each cost for us. The pricing was fair and they give an automatic $300 discount for first time customers. The technicians came the next week and were *the best*. They were incredibly tidy and spent the first hour after their arrival covering walkways in plastic sheeting, protecting doorframes from the hose that went into the attic, and used more plastic sheeting along the wall where they drilled holes and blew in insulation. At the end of the day, it looked like no one came over, it was so clean. Foreman Oscar and his assistant were friendly and knowledgeable and did high quality work. After several hours that included removing old insulation, sanitizing and sealing the attic, and blowing new insulation into the wall and attic, Oscar showed me photos that he took of the entire process so that we could see the work they did. They were transparent and communicated about everything and I am so appreciative. We noticed an immediate difference the morning after: the rooms weren't chilly and finally felt comfortable. I know we'll also see a difference in the summer, when the rooms used to get so hot from no insulation. So pleased with the work from the entire Atticali team--highly recommended. read more

My search is OVER!!! Brian inspected the crawl space, took pictures and provided me a detailed explanation of what's happening and what they are going to do. He is very detailed, knowledgeable, HONEST and very PLEASANT. He provided me the estimates the next day and very responsive with all my questions. Kudos to Attic Cali for having Brian!!! :-) :-) :-) read more

We recently purchased a 1960s home that was empty for a year, in short rats found their way in and called the attic home - it was not pretty. We reached out for several quotes and Attic Cali was the most professional, prompt, and answered all our questions, Isaac was great. After reviewing several quotes, the price was also fair so we decided to move forward and booked their services. Luckily they had a cancelation and were able to get in quickly, turned around the work in a day. Guilermo was prompt and completed good work, would recommend them! read more