Quick stop next to our hotel before we headed out for our day activities. Perseus definitely we the tone with some amazing food that was dished. We made it simple with the order as we were absolutely crunched on time and the food was served fresh, tasty and off the grill made with lot of love and perfection. We placed two orders of grilled Cod with vegetables and boy they turned out to be perfect and to top it off their amazing customer service definitely adds gold to glory. Definitely recommend the restaurant!! read more

Perseus - Cod and grilled vegetables ( potato slices with tomatoes) - Tuscan Near Me - Florence, FI

The waiter gave us samples of a pork soup that was not on the menu. It was the best, I've ever had. There was only 3 other couples and he was giving us shots of limoncello. It's the best experience, I've ever had in my life read more

Perseus - This is the cool ass waiter. Dude is awesome - Tuscan Near Me - Florence, FI

I asked my cabbie for the best steak and he said this is it and where the locals eat. It's located just outside of town. The atmosphere was incredible. Easily the best steak I've ever had - the bistecca is delicious and melts in your mouth. I like my steak rare and that's how they typically serve it. I went with all the chef's recommendations and was very pleased. read more

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Get the famous T-Bone steak!!! It was grilled to perfection, juicy, flavorful and tender! My husband couldn't get enough of it and proceeded to essentially clean the bone! We had a simple salad and fried to accompany the steak and they were both solid. The service was ok. Not bad but not excellent either. We sat outside in an air conditioned section. It was nice to have the best of both worlds, being outside to ppl watch and enjoy a great meal in air conditioning. Overall, I'd rate Perseus 4.4/5 but the steak by itself is a 5/5! Highly recommend. read more

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This was my first time trying Florentine steak in Italy, and it was hands down the best time of my life! When you are seated you will notice a 1.5 liter bottle of Toscana Rosso to be paired with your meal, it was amazing as well! (You are more welcome to ask for a different wine if you choose to) The service was amazing, and the ambiance was lively and very authentic, I will say....... always ask for Bistecca alla Fiorentina, and please drizzle Olive Oil over it after they cut it for you, its 2 lbs worth of meat, and its a once in a lifetime experience. This is THE PLACE TO HAVE FLORENTINE STEAK IN FLORENCE! read more

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This was recommended by the hotel staff as it was close to our hotel. It's a locals favorite with amazing steaks. It's cooked the Florence way only. But worth it. read more

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Wow! Better than Ruth Chris! We started w the avocado shrimp Appetizer and Pinot Grigio. The perfect combination with an olive oil based Ava ado salad with shrimp and I think lime. Then the Bistecca alla Florentine that had so much flavor. Order a kilo per person and you won't be disappointed. The roasted potatoes were okay, but the fried zucchini- amazing! And the wine is great. I prefer the Rosso Di Montalcino. Perfect bold Chianti with steak with wonderful layers for $30 euros And don't forget the edible vegetable centerpiece with their special olive oil. Good idea after a larger portion of steak. The best steak dinner! Better than Ruth Chris, Maestro, Sullivan's, Chart House, LG's, etc. this is a good reason to come back to Florence! read more

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9 students, one professor from Virginia. Not the customer group one may want to serve. But here, we were welcomed and served with courtesy, professionalism, and genuine care. It's that sense of accommodation that we are all celebrating a great menu well prepared. An experience that was never condescending and always serving the best interests of the customer. We were welcomed into this clubby and warm atmosphere of past treasures and a woody back room feeling. Perfect evening of fine food and service. Thank you for a wonderful experience. read more

For our last dinner in Florence, we decided to indulge in bistecca alla Fiorentina. A neighbor recommended Perseus (Per-say-us), and after doing a little research, I agreed with his recommendation. The restaurant follows tradition of this famous steak by only serving it one way: Charred on the outside and rare on the inside. The menu clearly states, don't ask for it any other way. The waiter carves the steak table side for you. They start you off w/ fresh veggies to offer some roughage for the steak you are about to enjoy. The waiter also recommended an authentic Tuscan chianti riserva, so designated by DOCG and a black rooster on the label. DOCG signifies its authenticity is gteed. Side note on the black rooster: The black rooster is the symbol of Florence bc in medieval times, Florence and Siena wanted to settle a boundary dispute. Siena chose a white rooster that didn't wake up its knight as early as the Firenze black rooster woke up the Florence knight. The Florence knight was able to travel further West before he met the Siena knight: Florence ended up with more land. We ordered the bistecca for 3 and it weighed approx 2.75 lbs. For our sides we had two orders of fried potatoes (no pic) and grilled veggies. The steak was amazing! You could cleanly taste the meat vs here in the States where the steak is drowned in butter. The rare preparation also added to the richness of the flavor. Likewise the sides were very good, and added a nice contrast to the savory meat. For dessert we indulged in a very Tuscan dessert, cantucci (Tuscan biscotti) w/ vin santo. The light dessert and sweet wine was a great way to end the heavy, savory meal. Regarding the ambiance, they offer al fresco dining as well as indoor seating. We chose outdoors bc it was covered on three sides that help quiet the noise fr the busy street. The service fr our waiter was excellent. He was friendly & attentive, and he made great recs on the wine and dessert. There are many places that offer bistecca alla Fiorentina in Florence. I'm glad we came to Perseus bc they follow tradition, and they combine it w/ comfortable ambiance & excellent service. read more

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English, not so much. (It is a local hangout) Food, incredible! You are not going for the English. Just asked for their recommendation: Steak - very rare. Don't be surprised. You will not be disappointed. Amazing!!! read more

Perseus is a local spot. I had been here 10 years prior with some friends in my study abroad program, and it had not changed one bit! The staff was friendly despite us being tourists and we made a reservation in advance so we didn't have to wait. We used google translate on the menu and it helped us decide how thick our bistecca fiorentina would be! We ordered some bruschetta as an appetizer, while we waited for the main event! The steak arrived and they cut it tableside for us. We were all amazed at how thick and perfectly rare it was. The first bites were in silence as we all experienced this wonderful Florentine specialty. Followed by some of the best cooked local spinach, white beans, and roasted potatoes I've ever had. The assortment of desserts were unexpected but we gladly ordered tiramisu, pannacotta, and gelato. An overall enjoyable and delicious experience! read more

Perseus - Bistecca Fiorentina - Tuscan Near Me - Florence, FI

I am able to compare this place to another 4.3 star on yelp and 4.5 on trip advisor and I have to tell you this place had the best tasting florentine steak and not as expensive as the other two. We planned to go back due to them being the best we had tried and they were closed on a Sunday! Why???? I'm leaving very heart broken! I already planned to get my own steak and not to share with my husband. Lol..... the dessert is superb too. Tiramisu and pannacota hit the spot for us. This place was recommended by our tour guide in Rome and he definitely had good taste. bravo! read more

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I came here to try the famous Florentine steak and it was amazing! They really know their meat here! We were recommended here by our airbnb host and it sure did NOT disappoint. In addition to the steak, I tried the roasted veggies (meh) and a mushroom pasta. It was really great flavor!! The pasta noodle was a bit on the hard side for an American (eye roll, I know.. yeah that's me.. I'm American but what can I say..I don't know any better ::shrugs::). If you go right at the start of lunch, there is plenty of empty tables and for you to score an authentic Florentine steak! nums! read more

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Had a reservation at 7:45. Restaurant was obviously over booked. Asked about reservation. Owner/host said I was 15 minutes late and physically pushed me out the door. (Our hotel made the reservation) We were told this is where the locals go. I guess Americans can't.. Plenty of great restaurants in Florence, skip this one.. read more

The best filet fiorentino! It's actually the best steak I've ever had hands down! The staff was very nice.

The food was good and ambiance was nice. The restaurant would have gotten 4.5 stars if not for the bad, stand-offish waiter. He truly was so rude. Menu was all in Italian. Some items written in handwriting couldn't be translated. He was not helpful at all in recommending anything and was so annoyed at us for asking for recommendations. We understand that the steak should be cooked very rare but meat came out medium rare which is fine but we never asked him to cook it less than the recommended way. The restaurant needs to get rid of this waiter or they would lose business. Tourists are bread and butter of this town and they need to treasure it. The bill had items that we didn't order and waiter was annoyed that we asked about it. Such a rude person. read more

Local recommended and was told we have to order the 4 inch steak, not 1, not 2, not 3 lol so we ordered the 1.7kg bistecca florentine. They only served it rare btw, but this is the best steak I have ever eaten. We only stayed 2 nights in Florence and we had to eat it twice while we were there. read more

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Perseus is pretty well known for 1) Slicing off the head of Medusa and 2) Serving tender and rare porterhouses. You'll see the big bald guy from Andrew Zimmern's delicious destinations where this she keeps saying, "No no, that's impossible" when asked about having the steak cooked medium or medium rare. It is true you have no option other than eating a piece of rare steak. So rare it felt like the cow was just hacked up in the back and served out front. You can almost hear the screams of the cow on each chew. Was it tender as hell? Yes. You can barely tell you're eating a half dead cow. That's how fresh the piece of meat was. Was it flavorful? Ehhh Yeah I guess. Meat was delicious and great quality and the seared sides were salted nicely. Best steak in the world? Afraid not. Between wagyu or hidagyu served in Japan or even Lugers and Wolfgang's in NY, I'm sorry Perseus, There is no match and not even a close fight. Oh yeah, we also had the ravioli is that's even worth mentioning. Also, I didn't even know the crazy vegetable plant full of carrots and stuff was even for us to eat. It looked like a centerpiece for the table. Overall, it's not all that. read more

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This is one of those "more sizzle than steak" places I look to Yelp to avoid. Charged a 5E cover pp that negates the whole "no tip necessary in Europe" philosophy (20E on a 100E meal was a hefty 20%). This place is a total tourist magnet, and service has adjusted to this new reality (which is to say, "don't expect good service). I can overlook service issues for great food, but my florentine porterhouse for 2 was ALL strip and NO mignon, which was a huge disappointment for someone who knows and appreciates steak and expressed a degree of knowledge to the waiter. I make a way better steak at home, by starting with a well seasoned ribeye, and cooking to my preferred level of doneness (I accept that here it's "rare or go home", and for a great steak I'll accept those terms, but this was not the greatest - I couldn't wait to floss). I think a person would have a great meal here by starting with a pasta (these were very good), and then having one of the many steak options that were NOT the famed florentine for 2 or 3 (and it would be less expensive too!). These are listed right below the main attraction on the picture of the menu I posted (you'll have to do some homework translating them, but the homework will be worth it). read more

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I have never had a better steak and risotto in my life. This man next to me is a master butcher and I will always be a lifetime visitor. This is a MUST in Italy. All serious for the meat and smiles for the camera. A perfect restaurant in a great location. 5/5 stars every time! ... oh and check out the restrooms for a good laugh ;) read more

Perseus - Tuscan Near Me - Florence, FI

One of my favourite steakhouses. I would even recommend visiting Florence just to try out the steaks at Perseus. I have been to a couple of high end steakhouses in New York, Chicago, and Toronto but none of them has even come close to the meat at Perseus. The waiters here know a bit of English but I recommend all visitors to download a translator app just in case as knowing a bit of Italian helped me order our dinner. Upon entering you will be served a beautiful bouquet of veggies and warm bread. We ordered the Florence Steak and it tasted delicious. The service is on the slower side but this is expected for European style meals. Prices are reasonable given the sizes of the steaks. We have not been able to finish the entire meal before because there were so many pieces. Overall a must visit if you are in Florence!! read more

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Just returned from the restaurant for a late dinner of bistecca alla fiorentina. We were super looking forward to this meal ever since we watched a TV show back in Seattle, heck even throughout our trip. I feel it is important however to leave an honest review about the terrible service we received from our waiter. It is true that in Italy if you're not local most often or not you will be ignored. Even more so if you are two Asian women.There was some miscommunication about what kind of wine we wanted to have and whether we wanted a bottle or two glasses of wine. Italian waiters are not known to have much patience or understanding, but what happened next shocked me and my mother to our core. Apparently the fact that we spoke out about the kind of wine we wanted irritated the waiter. In retaliation, he placed a coke on the table, smiled and said, "coke". When we looked at him with confusion, he immediately removed the coke and turned to his fellow waiters who laughed loudly at his "joke". This by far was the rudest experience I have ever experienced in a restaurant. I am pretty sure this was an act to humiliate us but it was done in such a blatant manner in front of us we couldn't believe it happened. Unfortunately we did not get to enjoy the service or the bistecca alla fiorentina we heard so much about so wanted to make sure others are aware of what happened to us. read more

We were referred to this restaurant by a local, the food was delicious. We ordered the avacado appetizer, a zesty mixture of avacado, shrimp, olive oil and chives. We also ordered the steak for two and it was cooked just right. We had the grilled vegetables, and roasted potatoes as our sides. House Chianti was good. The desert was a great finish, a fruit tart with mixed berries. Great staff, very attentive and helped with recommendations. read more

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If you're not a local, don't come here. Not sure why the vibe was so passive aggressive and dismissive when we dined there but don't waste your money here. My husband and i were told this was the BEST spot for steaks so we came here at 9:30pm without a reservation (they close at midnight) when we got sat, the server immediately rolled his eyes and walked by us twice without acknowledging us. The busser dropped off bread and menus and asked us if we wanted water. We looked at the menu and noticed it was not in English so we pulled our phones out to translate and the server walked by, looked at us and rolled his eyes again because he saw us hovering our phones over the menu-- not sure if who upset him that night but we definitely did NOT feel welcome. We were on our honeymoon so i decided i did not want to sit this this servers section with all the negative energy. We asked to move and got sat in another room. The new server seemed better, did not rolled his eyes at us thank goodness haha. We ordered our steaks and asked for a suggestion on a bottle of wine. The server was pretty bland and was not enthusiastic but he did suggest a good bottle of wine. Our food comes out and the sides we ordered for our steaks were pretty sad. We ordered veggies on the side and they came out cold and not seasoned. The best way to describe the veggies were "sad looking". Steak was good but not life changing. I think the negative vibes already put a bad taste in our mouths. Now it's 10:30pm and we noticed the music turned off and loud dishes banging around. We thought that was odd because there were other guests still dinning. The banging continues and i see servers pacing back and forth from the kitchen and back. Our server asked if we want dessert because they are closing (yea we noticed) we declined and he never came back to check on us. We didn't know we had to go to the front to pay for our bill-- At one point my husband got up and asked a busser cleaning how we could close out. We had a whole glass of wine to finish but we could not stand the passive aggressiveness energy in the restaurant. My husband chugged the glass of wine and we walked up to pay. The best part is when we paid for the tab, the guy says "gratuity is not included." THATS WEIRD because no one tips I'm Italy but we are definitely NOT tipping for such horrendous service. My husband and i both work in the hospitality industry and tip regardless when we receive great service (we knew coming into Italy that they don't have a tipping standard/requirement). This place didn't deserve another penny from us let alone the time wasted on our honeymoon! I wish someone gave US a tip to not dine here.. we never felt more unwelcomed and unwanted in a restaurant (it's quite comical to think about it now but our 2nd to our last night in Florence was pretty sour thanks to them). Anyways, i do NOT recommend this place.. I'd go to a newer, more modern steak house where they've adapt to and are able to tolerate "annoying tourists who can't read Italian" lol. read more

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Amazing steak, poor service. Not sure if it was just a busy night, or because we were American, and not locals, but we received our amazing food and were ignored the rest of the night. Our drinks ran dry and we were never asked about it. We finished eating and sat there with empty plates for 30min before asking for our server. This place was recommended to us, and we were delighted by the steak, spinach and potatoes but it's really was a bummer we had such a poor experience. I'm normally an excellent tipper (20%+) as a prior server myself, so I've only felt compelled to send a message with a 1% tip twice before. Tonight makes three. read more

This was one of, if not the, best meal I have ever eaten. I salivate just thinking about the traditional Florentine steak. The meal was expensive, ~200 euro for 2, but SO worth it. My sister and I ended up at Perseus per the recommendation of our Air B&B host, and since it was walking distance, we decided to give it a try. Even though it was a little chilly, we decided to sit outside. We were happily surprised with how warm and cozy the outdoor seating area was. We ended up at a table for 4, though there were just 2 of us. About halfway through the meal, two men were seated with us. We got to chatting and found that the two had been co-workers in Chicago, before one moved back to his home town of Florence. When the other came to visit, the Florence native said he knew he had to bring him to Perseus for an authentic Florentine steak. Heads up: your steak will be practically moo-ing. If you are afraid of rare, order something else. If you don't mind rare, get ready to eat the best steak of your life. read more

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Off the beaten path for American tourists, we were lost and stumbled into this very interesting restaurant. They specialize in Florentine steaks and while we waited for our dinner to arrive, we were amazed by the huge, Fred Flintstone-sized steaks served around us. My steak was excellent - one of the most memorable steaks I've ever had and I would never have guessed that would happen in Florence - or Italy! The restaurant has other options, of course, and it seemed to be a hotspot with the local neighbors. Have a little Italian under your belt - the menu is not in English nor do the waiters speak English. Though I didn't go, my dining companions chuckled over the restrooms - I won't spoil the surprise... read more

Perseus was in a couple of travel shows as one of the best Bisteca Alla Fiorentina. So picking this place just makes sense right? Our Segway tour guide said its one of the best and ranks high up there. Made reservation for 730pm but got there around 8. Location is not that accessible for tourists who stays in the center. About 30 mins by foot from Ponte Vecchio and about 20 mins by bus from Santa Maria Novella station. I believe the steak was 44€ per kg and minimum was 1.2kg. Roughly 2.5 lbs. But don't be scared with numbers. It seems like the bone made up for most part of that weight. They do not cook that meat anything else but rare. Its not bloody or anything but it is rare. I enjoyed it immensely. I couldn't say much for Goof ball tho. Its fresh and seasoned well. Lots of fat which I like in my meat. #cholesterol #fatty. We also got their ravioli and they have this bouquet of vegetables and bread basket that really isnt worth talking about. Service charge if I'm not mistaken is 6€ per person. And still water is 3€. If you do not finish that big bottle of water cause you got wine or something else. Don't be afraid to walk out with it lol. I did lol. I liked Perseus a lot for their Bisteca although I did see flies flying all over their desserts that was on display out front. I hope they do not actually serve those. read more

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The best steak dinner I have had outside of the United States. We made a point of booking reservations here prior to coming to Italy to ensure we got seated. We arrived around 8 and the dining room and al fresca were already filling up on a Monday night. We opted for a table outside which was nice since the roof was open. Our waiter was very charming and immediately brought out some focaccia, bread, water and a plate of Tuscan beans with a lardo-like ingredient. The beans were amazing and although we knew our main course was going to be huge we ate every scrap of them anyway. We also ordered a bottle of the recommended Tuscan wine, the Regina del Carne which was a blend, reasonably priced and very, very good. For dinner we opted for the signature Chianina steak. It was obviously served rare and with a drizzle of olive oil it was all you needed. The meat was melt in your mouth tender and very flavorful. We managed to consume the entire 1.2 kilo monster, plus a plate of the roasted potatoes (recommended) and the mixed grilled vegetables. After digesting for a bit afterwards (we were not rushed, despite the place being full) we ordered a panna cotta which we split and I had a double espresso. The tab was quite reasonable considering how much we ate the service was so good I even left a tip on top of the check. Lived up to the hype and I would return next time we are in Florence. read more

I love BISTECCA! Came here a month ago during my summer Europe trip and I just love the food here. BF and I got a huge bistecca for 2, the bruschetta sampler, and a veggie pasta. The food is so amazing. Bistecca was juicy, tender, well-seasoned, huge and grilled perfectly. Still dreaming about it. On your table, there's a large bowl of vegetables. I was wondering if that's just decoration or you can actually eat that, our waiter demonstrated to me that it's edible by feeding me a huge radish --- that was nice of him. We also got a free sample of some tomato stewed tripe and a meringue cookie. read more

I discovered this place through travel channel on Andrew Zimmern's Delicious Destinations Florence. I watched the episode knowing I would be going to Florence in a few months. I was a little worried this place would just be filled with tourists, but it wasn't that bad. There were quite a few Italians eating here as well. We had our concierge reserve us a table here. I read previous yelp reviews of this place before we went here so I knew it got crowded around eight. We made our reservations at seven fifteen in the evening so the place wouldn't be too crowded when we got there. That ended up to be very good advice. We were the first to get a table at the restaurant and the place was completely empty for a good amount of time before tables started filling up. The menu was all in Italian, but our waiter who turned out to be the guy on tv, helped us out. We ended up getting a steak for three (there was five of us at the table, but most of my party wanted to eat light) and three sides of veggies. As appetizer we ate the colorful raw veggies that were on the table in a glass vase with bread and olive oil. I had a couple radishes on a skewer and a couple sliced carrots. Super fresh and light vegetables. We drank both still and sparkling water along with the house wine which was alright. While waiting for our meal my Aunt was worried at the size of our steak, trying to convert kilos into pounds. Discovering that one kilo was two pounds and knowing that we ordered a one point three kilo steak she was afraid we weren't going to be able to finish it. I used the restroom once here and just a note so you won't be as surprised as I was the bathroom is covered with nude photos. Almost every inch of it. Just a warning. When our steak came our waiter sliced it for us and served it with the bone in the center of all the meat. The center was rare of course. We also got our side of grilled zucchini, eggplant, radish greens, red pepper, herb stuffed potato, and a raw piece of lettuce. I grabbed two hunks of meat and a few veggies throughout the meal. The pieces of meat were medium on the outside and rare at the core. The rare pieces were the best, melt in your mouth. No need for extra sauce or even juice for this steak, it was perfect as is. There were quite a few pieces of gristle though, some that I put aside and some that I had to chew through. A work out for my jaw muscles. Out of the grilled veggies I had radish greens, red pepper and eggplant. All of them were delicious and flavorful. All five of us devoured the whole steak, no more need to worry if the meal was too big. We finished our meal with satisfied minds as well as stomachs. read more

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The name of that cow was Giovanni. It is hard to ruin a steak from a meat aged for 50 days. The meat was juicy and tender even in the raw spots. Server Augusto was the one that you wanted to have The only thing to keep in mind is that you will not handle one Bisteka la Fiorentina by yourself, and it does not make any sense to take out raw meat. Also, you might want to seat inside. read more

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Wow, this was well worth the trip outside of central Florence. Not far out and in a nice neighborhood. This place has been around forever and it's obvious why. Service was great although the owner seemed in a bit of a foul mood with our server he was cordial with us. This is a must stop when in Florence! read more

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Food was good as expected. Now after being there I probably won't be back but its not cause of the food or service. Being from the US and not speaking much Italian we weren't treated very well by the owner or hosts but our waiter was very nice. Great steak and experience but probably only going once. read more

1st time eating a truly rare steak with only a 1/4" of searing. I have to say, after the first bite I felt relieved that my fear was just fear. The meat was excellent. Coming from a farm we raised and aged our own steak about once a year. This was the best commercial steak I've ever had and if you have had Ruth Cris, or Morton's you can say that once you have had Perseus you really can't go back. It's all outback as far as I'm concerned. Bravo Perseus. Well done. Cons: they changed us for a bowl of rabbit food (carrots, celery,bell peppers, radishes... all raw) that were oddly arranged in a large bowl and already on the table when we arrived. We actually weren't sure if it was decoration or something to eat. We literally had a few slices of bell peppers... that's was 8 euros. Portions on the sides could have been bigger. They said it would feed two but not really. White beans are bomb though. read more

We seven people walked in for dinner. It's the only steakhouse we visited during the stay in Florence. The food is amazing. Definitely try the T-bone and also veal shank risotto. It comes with marrow in cooked bones. Finally the dessert is also amazing. We tried chocolate cake， tiramisu，roasted pear with red wine source and budding. Everything is perfect to us read more

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The waiters were attentive and did their best. Unfortunately the Filetto di Manzo gave me food poisoning when I visited on Saturday evening. I was sick the whole night. read more

Best Florentine steak ever! I was here 10 years ago and loved the meal so much I can back during my recent travels

Visiting Florence: made a reservation a few hours before for a party of 10. Bistique Florentino was an experience. Wine was great but the steak was truly the delicious. read more

The worst : service is rude (IS, I am typing right now in the restaurant - that says how I am disappointed!) the meat is soooooooo below average, prices are higher than other good restaurant, just so you know the vegetables are just poor tasteless spinach and fried potatoes are just chips. But the true thing is that the meat is really really really bad. For f*sake, even I is better at choosing my meat when in the market. Very overrated : DONT GO IN THIS VERY BAD RESTAURANT Update : they don't give a f* if you had a bad experience if you tell them, just don't bother read more