Appears to be Bait and Switch!
Customers beware of LLFlooring - Workmanship:
I have a current and on-going situation with LLFlooring as we speak. I got into agreement on approximately April 2022. After the agreement was signed the installation was on 5/28/22, where the project included assessment for material and labor for which they were in significant excess and currently reluctant to take back, the hall and stairs, and where most of the issues appear to be with the staircase. When the installation was underway for the staircase the installer called me to verify the staircase was level in all plains. The installer cited a warped tread substrate issue and recommended it replaced, it was addressed and the installer confirmed no other issues. After observing the installer, on the third stair I called to the installers attention I did not agree that nail without pre-drill the holes was a good idea due to material hardness, the installers response, everyone does it (nail gun) this way, it will be ok ( I acquired 2nd opinions, those opinions strongly differ). To complicate things the installer had issues with the use of his nail gun (calibration, skill of use, the right tool), it caused lots of damage. The damage to the bamboo is gouged, blistered, surface finish shattered, and/or splintered. In addition, the treads are supposed to be square with the union seams not well fitted and with gaps to tread top and/or underside. Between both of these issues, wood damage and not square tread, all of treads likely need to be replaced. Regarding the non square treads, after I called it to the attention of the installer, he reached out to his supervisor. The installer blamed the issue on non square staircase he had confirmed not to be an issue prior to the start of installation. This supervisor debated the issue of the staircase not being square sight unseen on the phone for about 15 to 20 minutes. Over the course of the call I insisted he come to the site, he eventually agreed. He showed, we walked the staircase and based on an instantaneous visual analysis he again asserted the staircase was not square. After another 15 to 20 minutes debate during that period I flatly stated let me get my tools, as he had none. I got my tools and demonstrated square in all plains. He again debated. To me it was apparent his attempt was to take advantage of someone possibly less informed. He however capitulated and agreed to cover the labor, but I needed to cover the material. I stated this error is pure workmanship/skill and attention to detail and falls outside a mistake and error. I requested from LLFlooring an on site audit by another installer, not necessarily to do the work but more to inspect the work. LLFlooring has basically refused and made the following two settlement recommendations, goodwill money for me to hire an installer to complete the job or LLFlooring to complete the job by using the same nailing process and putty to fill the gouges, and without mention to the non square treads. Trust me I have a sample of the putty solution they tried to sell, it is very ugly. Note, the goodwill money will likely be short of what would be required to make the job right, they appear to what the customer, me to bare most if not all of the burden for their lack of workmanship and attention to detail. Quite simply, LLFlooring denies the quality issue, to admit it would make them financially responsible to make it right at their full cost.
Customers beware of LLFlooring - Advertising and Contract:
LLFlooring's website is littered with promises of trust, experience, professional, professionalism, professional installers and industry stands. All of that is appears to have the goal to simply to bait the customer, if the project does not go their way due to LLFlooring negligence or contractor negligence; they have crafted the contract such that you have absolutely little influence on LLFLooring to make it right. You pay for all material and labor up front, do not do it you will be a sucker. Once you sign the contract, you basically waive all rights to LLFlooring regarding repair or replace at their discretion. The contract is front loaded with language about experience, law, professional, licensing and workmanlike manner or workmanship for its installers. But as the contract progresses LLFlooring skillfully backs out of any responsibility and ensures any final disposition on repair or replace is theirs alone, and they slow walk any proposed solution. One thing that seems to be clear the work product purchased was what was advertised (the bait), and quality work product was walked back contractually (the switch). One notable thing to call out is, the manufacturer in their documentation stated their recommendations do not replace the installer's skill, expertise, judgment & the installer is ultimately responsible. Finally, LLFlooring attempts to make it look like they are attempting outreach. LL appears to be an unsavory company. read more