This was the last hotel we stayed in while traveling around Ireland, and it was our least favorite. It is well located in downtown Dublin. The rooms are very small, and I had a horrible time trying to shower. The temperature was tricky to adjust and the stall was just very small. I barely had enough room to bend down to wash my lower legs and feet, and the step down from the shower was higher than was comfortable. The breakfast was not as good as other places, and my son refused to eat the scrambled eggs they were so bad. The people at the service desk were very helpful with our taxi arrangements. I have no complaints about the service at all. read more

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We stayed here our first night in Dublin and I was very impressed. The rooms were on the smaller size but very clean and cute. The service at check in was nice. They let us store our bags until we could check in. The coffee was amazing down in the lobby. It is located walking distance to everything and reasonably priced. Overall I would stay again if I was in Dublin! read more

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Rooms are clean, modern, and well-maintained, but quite small. Which is probably a standard for Dublin but may be on the smaller side. It's well located, the coffee shop inside the hotel is great and there is a restaurant that serves descent dinner, on the expensive side. Breakfast is quite bad, however. One VERY annoying thing with this hotel is the automatically closing room doors; they are very loud. You can hear them from your floor and even from floors below and above. So during "peak hours" when guests are going in and out, it's impossible to sleep. read more

Very clean hotel. Wonderful staff and great breakfasts. Centrally located and everyone was very helpful. UROS, in the dining room was excellent. So was Nick in the Academy coffee shop. I highly recommend this property and will definitely stay here whenever we go back. read more

This hotel front desk staff (Uros, Paris, Cristiano and Mateus) were so helpful and friendly when I left my carry-on bag in the lobby. I was at the airport, when I realized. We called the hotel right away. They said they would look for it. My taxi driver, decided to call my cell phone, which was also in my bag. This made it easy for the staff to locate the bag. They called us back and told us the bag was there, and they enjoyed my ring tone (Bon Jove--My Life). Honestly don't know who was more relieved and excited, me or the staff. A BIG THANK YOU TO THE STAFF! The hotel is clean. The restaurant/bar were cleaned. The service was great. Food and drinks were terrific. Rooms were cleaned. Can't complain about anything. Rates are reasonable. Close to shops, dining entablements, shopping, and easy to visit tourist places. Would stay there again! read more

Clean, convenient hotel in a central location, walkable to just about everything in downtown Dublin proper. What makes this hotel stand out to me, and what will make me stay there on my next visit, is the exemplary customer service I received from the hotel's manager. Upon check-in, the front desk alerted me that I had made two reservations for the same timeframe. They canceled one, but didn't tell me that the money wouldn't be refunded. When I arrived home and saw that I had paid for a rather substantial second reservation, I contacted the hotel manager. It didn't happen immediately, but he worked hard with his management to get me the refund. He went above and beyond to help me out, even though I'm sure I was a thorn in his side. This is what keeps customers coming back. read more

Everything was perfect! The staff was VERY accommodating and went out of their way to help us. The room was beautiful & immaculate. Breakfast was buffet was divine. Location can't be beat! Highly recommend! read more

This hotel was right in Dublin and was a great hub to venture into the city from. Its rooms were clean and attractive, and the breakfast buffet was well stocked and delicious. read more

A conveniently located hotel in the city centre and walking distance to many bars, shopping areas, ethnic cuisine, and attractions. There's nothing extravagant about the rooms, what you pay for is convenience and proximity to other places. My room came with a double sized bed, and a wall mounted TV, and not much more beyond that. You'll need to bring your own toiletries aside from wash soap. The WiFi has a good signal and you can stream on your laptop and use your phone with little hassle. Their gym was disappointing with only a couple treadmills and a cable gym setup. Their restaurant and bar within the hotel (Plaza Bar & Grill) is nice but it's pricey. You're better off walking the streets and eating around like the good tourist you are. read more

Academy Plaza Hotel - 10oz Sirloin w/ Pepper Sauce & Fries, 25€ - Hotels Near Me - Dublin, D

Stayed here for 3 nights with a tour group. Staff was friendly and welcoming. Easy to get to when taking public transportation from the airport. Breakfast was an additional fee and was mediocre at best. I would honestly recommend just grabbing coffee and a pastry at a nearby bakery. Wifi was difficult to access from my room which was somewhat frustrating. Deducting another star as my neck pillow for the airplane went missing after I had to check my bags at the desk on arrival. read more

This hotel is located in a perfect location for my most recent stay in Dublin: very close to my daughter's student residence and just off busy O'Connell Street, Dublin's main thoroughfare. I was pleasantly surprised with Academy Plaza Hotel! Yes, the rooms are a bit dated but mine was very clean and quiet, the bed was super comfortable, and the bathroom had a shower/bathtub! I stayed in 7 different hotels over my European trip and this one was the only one that had a bathtub! Also, I noted another reviewer complained about the fact that you need to put a room key card in a slot near the entrance in order to activate the power in the room and that it turned off when you removed it (so they could not power their devices while they left for the day). This is how it is done in every one of the 7 hotels I stayed in during my recent trip- from Ireland to the UK to Spain. While it may be annoying to American travelers, it is a brilliant way to conserve energy. You get used to it. We also took advantage of the hotel's bar and grill. It was nice to have a place to go off the lobby when we checked in so late. I was surprised at how tasty the pizza was (especially since I am originally from Chicago)! Of course, we had cold glasses of Guinness to go along with the pizza! Since we made our reservation directly from their website, breakfast was included for free! It wasn't my favorite hotel breakfast but I was surprised at how much they offered. A hot, traditional Irish breakfast! The potatoes are hard and not good but most of everything else was fine, including some yummy pastries. And they have an espresso/cappuccino machine - which kind of makes up for everything. It is super hard to complain about anything considering how much we ended up paying. They had a winter deal when we went and I paid less than 1/2 of what I paid at a different hotel around the corner when we first arrived in Ireland at the start of our trip. Plus the staff is super friendly and accommodating and a 747 Airlink Express bus stop is located directly in front of the hotel! If I am lucky enough to get back to Ireland while my daughter is a student there, I would not hesitate to stay here again! read more

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Absolutely the most disgusting hotel in Ireland. This is literally 1 step better than a hostel. Reception is rude, rooms are ridiculous small, and the linens and towels are gross. read more

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Pros: -Decent location -Staff is fairly nice. Cons: -Only wifi in one small corner of our room, so we spent many nights in the lobby or sitting by the bathroom trying to get service. Do not book this hotel if you need reliable wifi in your room. -The 4-person room looks nothing like the photo on the website. I feel deceived--the beds are practically on top of each other, all in a line. Not all the 4-person rooms are like this, but you may end up with one. There should really not be more than 2 people in this room. -Only two outlets in the entire room (in the same area) and none in the bathroom -Bathroom trash can is super tiny and you need to step on it to open it. Bottom line: would not recommend the 4 person room unless it's for a couple and two very young children who wouldn't be bothered by the lack of privacy or wifi. Good for 1-2 people who won't be staying long. read more

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Recently stayed here and had a very good experience. Friendly greeting at reception. Staff were pleasant and accommodating. Our first room we were given had a really poor Wifi connection, so the hotel manager pleasantly reassigned us to a different room and never had that problem for the remainder of our stay. Rooms are a little on the small side with little to no space for luggage storage, which made navigating the room a bit of a rigmarole. However, our room was spotless and came with plenty of extra towels. Bathroom was very clean. Complimentary teas and coffee also were in both rooms we had. I think the best part about this hotel is its location. Situated on Upper O'Connell Street, this hotel was a 5 minute walk to a lot of major shopping spots, cafes, etc., and about a10 minute walk to Temple Bar if that. The hotel's bar stayed open a late, so it was nice to be able to come back and have a night cap before bed. Also, there is a not so bad sports bar directly next door to the hotel if you wanted to catch a game and a have drink. Would definitely stay here again. Highly recommend. read more

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I paid a ton of money to stay at this hotel St Patrick's day week. Had I visited at a regular time of the year I think the hotel would have been really reasonably priced for it's location. It's very close to O'Connell Street which has tons of restaurants, night life and shopping. It's close to bus lines and easy to get to from the airport. If you happen to like the club scene there is one right next door. I was amazed that I could not hear this from my room. I choose this over others as I was able to get a package that included breakfast, this is a perk of booking directly on their website. The breakfast buffet was the same every day but when traveling internationally I like to be able to at least know where I am going to get one meal. I liked the baked beans, but did not care for the potatoes. Cooked tomatoes are also not my thing. It's traditional Irish breakfast, but all you can eat. Not open as late as I would prefer, and didn't seem to have coffee available to go or the option to take food up to your room. The room itself was pleasant. We were in a back corner and a bit far from the elevator, but it was quiet and peaceful. Not terribly large by any means, but great for our purposes. It was easy enough to block out the light and sleep the day away if you chose. There's a gym on site, but I didn't make it. Staff was pleasant and happy to hold our bags for us when we arrived early and left late. I'd definitely consider this again if the price was right. read more

DON'T WAIST YOUR MONEY Don't be fooled by the pictures, this hotel is NOT worth it. If you find a hotel that maybe looks a little worse but is cheaper, go there because I can guarantee it will be the same if not better quality stay for less money. They did not feel the need to let us know that they were doing loud construction on the floor we were originally placed on, or that our room was yet to be remodeled. The heater was out of maintenance so we had to sleep in the cold, and everything else about the room was very cheap. We were moved into a new room that was much smaller but had a working heater and newer technology/amendments. Not sure if it was a racial profiling situation or maybe just because we are Americans who don't fit the look of intended customers (I am black/Mexican and my sister is Mexican), but it seemed like we were put away on that specific floor with no other guests in the middle of construction. Very weird. I am disappointed because it looked really great online and I feel deceived. read more

I'd give them less than one star but I don't think Yelp will let me. Terrible location, hard to reach, no set down area, parking is down the street and always full. Dirty side of the river in Dublin. Horrible tiny rooms that don't match website pictures, overlooking very very very load open bar. Drunk loud guests that it takes staff two hours to delay with. If you have to stay in Dublin which I don't recommend don't stay here! read more

very clean - local - however not impressed with the front desk folks - any of them - barely cordial - no storage in the rooms - where the heck do they think we're going to put our clothes? could have been much better read more

Academy Plaza Hotel - tiny bathroom - no storage - small towels - basic - - Hotels Near Me - Dublin, D

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I am so glad we found this hotel. It's a bit tricky to get to, as the road next to it was closed when we were there and the parking garage is across the street. The hotel is very clean and the front desk staff were so friendly and made check in and check out very easy! There is a restaurant/bar on the main floor, which is a great place for a nightcap when you get back from pub crawls. The room had 2 single beds and was fairly large. There was a very large closet and also a safe for your passport and money! The bathroom was huge and the shower was just perfect! You are within walking distance of pretty much anything you want to see in Dublin! I highly recommend this hotel and this will be on the list to stay again when I return. read more

My first ever time in Ireland and this hotel wasn't bad. There were a lot of pros and cons but overall good stay. Let's start with the pros. The hotel was relatively inexpensive which is nice if your on a budget. The location was perfect. The center of Dublin and it was convenient and close to everything. I loved saving money on taxi cab fares because walking was perfect. Another pro was that a lot of the tours had a pickup that was right next store so that was lovely. The staff was helpful and very sweet and that's always a bonus. On to the cons. The rooms are very small. Think very small studio or a room in a ship. If your looking for some place quiet this is not the hotel for rebar. There's a bar and pub connected and you can hear the pub patrons till the wee hours of the morning. If your young and enjoy the party life or don't mind noise this is your place, but if your looking for serenity and peace and quiet not so much. Overall I had a good stay and I would recommend this hotel. read more

Academy Plaza Hotel - Morning view from my room on the 7th floor - Hotels Near Me - Dublin, D

We had a very good experience here. Well located in the city centre. Check-in was friendly, helpful and fast. The room was decent, as was the bed. Breakfast was reasonable. Would recommend and would come again. read more

Count me as another who likes the location. Just off O'Connell street and close to shopping, pubs, and historical landmarks, this is an excellent place to stay in Dublin. Some minor inconveniences were the size of the bathroom (small) and we could only locate 2 electrical outlets in our room. The front desk staff was extremely friendly and helpful, and the condition of the hotel was excellent. If I am every fortunate enough to visit Dublin again, I will strongly consider staying here again. read more

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It is in a good location but is not a great hotel. The rooms are so small and need updating. Our shower handle was coming off and the soap dispenser came off of the wall when we tried to use it. It was clean just crappy over all. The only good thing is the location. Parking is expensive and not very close. It is a block or two away and the hotel is on a dead end street so loading and unloading your luggage is not easy. read more

This place is awful. I think it caters to tours, so they set the bar very, very low. We ended a tour at this hotel (after we completed the tour evaluation). Had we known, we'd have given CIE tours an earful about this place. And we probably will email them anyhow. What a dump. Arrival was fine. No complaints about that, hence the one star. Location is city centre which is a bit gritty in my opinion. Our room was above a city street over the Luas system. Very noisy, but the windows did muffle most of it. The bed was not only weak and unsupportive but sank in the middle. Pillows were hard and unbendable. There are no washcloths to be had. No shampoo, no conditioner, no lotion. You're supposed to wash your hair with body wash. WiFi is spotty at best. No full length mirror. Not much light. Good luck getting bathed and dressed. Breakfast was vile. The food is of poor quality and it isn't replenished regularly. I wanted some fruit and yogurt but it was all gone and remained that way for the entire time we were dining. No sweet pastries. Croissants were okay and there was some toast and a few rolls. Good luck battling the hoards of tourists around the cold buffet if you like your croissants with butter. Coffee is terrible. If the breakfast is included, well enough. You get what you pay for, I guess. Don't pay good money (€12.50!!!!!)for it out of pocket! read more

This was the only hotel available as most major hotels were booked solid for the U2 concert that was happening for the weekend. We paid for a large room with double beds, however, they sold that room in error to someone else coming up for the show. We ended up with a room no bigger than my own bedroom with a medium sized bed between the two of us. We had to sleep head to toe which was uncomfortable when we had to switch sides as we're both sides sleepers. We kept kicking each other in the face. Finally one of us just slept on the floor by the bathroom or in the lobby chair. I think I ended up leaving early one morning so that my bestie could actually sleep. There is no shampoo, soap or basics in the room. You either have to buy your own or convince the front desk nicely to give you one without charging the room. Speaking of small room...there wasn't enough room for me to work on my zine on a desk that was smaller than my own home desk. We kept getting in each other's way. Finally annoyed I had to go to the coffee shop down the street to work on my zine. The water barely got hot and pressure was spotty. My bestie took 10 minutes to fiddle with the right temperature and flow. When one finished taken a shower we had to let it run for 5 minutes until the other was ready. If we stopped the shower than we had to do everything again for 10 minutes. Since the room was small changing was a chore and an SNL skit in the making. I had a very complicated costume and I needed to use the ironing board and was all over the small room to get ready and put on my make up. My bestie kept getting in my way that at one point I yelled at him and banished him from the room and made him go wait for me to get ready in the hotel lobby. We're besties and can generally co-inhibit on trips but the size of the room which we didn't pay for (it was made for a single person) made us get on each other's nerves a lot. The wifi was terrible and kept cutting out and breaking connection every 6 to 10 minutes. Another reason why I had to go to the coffee shop across the street. Good news is that there is a single transit bus you can take from the airport called the 747 read more

Not a bad location. Bus from airport, the 747 airlink, stops directly across the street from the hotel. Hotel has been updated, and most importantly, is clean and comfortable. Our standard room, with double bed, is good. The location of this hotel, which is off upper O'Connell Street is not bad. There's a bus stop around the corner that will take you to the main points of interest. We took the #40 to Church Christ Cathedral and from there walked to the Guinness Storehouse. We the walked to a restaurant called Coppinger Row. We finished dinner around 9pm and it was daylight. The area around the restaurant was crowded. It was like Happy Hour. We walked back to our hotel. At 9:30pm the sun was blazing. This is crazy! Around the corner from the hotel is a convenience store. A large bottle of water, only 1 euro! So far so good! read more

The hotel is close proximity to numerous places in the area and with bus tops right in front which is a plus. Our rooms were available upon our arrival at 5:00 am from an overnight flight which was great. The king rooms were tiny but clean. Limited amenities of 1 shampoo, tiny soap. Wifi is limited as to what part of the building your room is and often only accessible in the hallway. Breakfast was good with actual large cups of coffee too. This hotel seems to be a major overnight stop for tour groups, the lobby was frequently packed with groups. A MAJOR downside is the sports bar directly attached to the hotel. On Friday and Saturday nights it turns into a dance club that plays until 3 AM. It gets VERY loud which can be heard all night within the rooms which makes sleep impossible. Overall I would have preferred a different hotel. read more

This hotel is in a great location, it's just off O'Connell St, making it very easy to get around town. It's not too close to the street which keeps the noise to a minimum but there are bars close by, so that's something to be wary of. The bed was very comfortable, huge duvet and snuggly pillows. Heaven! The staff were great, very accommodating and friendly. We had breakfast, it was pretty nice. I love a strong coffee in the morning and this hotel delivered on that. Overall, I had a great experience here. I would definitely stay again read more

I was really surprised at this hotel, because let's face it, I would never spend the night in a Best Western in the States. *insert "you're a snob" comment here* This hotel is in fabulous condition and CLEAN! The rooms are a bit small, but what isn't in Europe? (The beer, that's what). Seriously though, we stayed here for two nights in May 2011 and the beds were comfy, they offered free computer access in the lobby and the continental breakfast was A-OK (I wasn't the biggest fan of some of the Irish food in general, but they had tons of yum stuff, like yogurt and brown bread). We went to the hotel restaurant/bar both nights... the first night just for drinks and the second night for dinner. I think I had some sort of open-faced chicken wrap and it was really good. The others in my party had some fish and they also really enjoyed their meals. The hotel's location was perfect. We were right down the street from the bus that drops off/picks up from the airport and a few feet from the Hop On Hop Off tour bus stop. Also, just down the street was one of their main (I think) streets, although I can't remember the name... maybe it was Connolly Street or something. Lots of shops, hotels, restaurants and pubs to choose from. Overall, I was extremely pleased with my stay here and if in Dublin ever again, would absolutely stay here again! read more

We stayed here for about 4 Day and the staff was so friendly and nice but the service was def 3 out of 5- they didn't change the sheets we had to call to request it, which is outrageous! And we also found someone's shirt in our room, we are guessing it's from the previous people before us; but they should clean the room !!! But the staff was amazing and the place was right in the center of the city we actually walked everywhere! read more

Being American, I laughed when I saw there were Best Western hotels in Europe. I definitely would not choose to stay in one if I was in the US, but I will say the ones on this side of the Atlantic are on a whole different level. This hotel was fantastic, and I was very pleased. I had such a wonderful experience here, and it was a great value for money. Our room was clean and spacious by European standards, and quiet at night. It had all the modcons we could want including tv, central air, hair dryer, and an electric kettle in the room. The front desk staff at this location are absolutely fantastic. Very friendly, helpful, and honest about the location, restaurants, and transit questions. The location is perfect, at the top of Upper O'Connell Street, it is walking distance from all the tourist locations and sights south of the river Liffey, but far enough north that you avoid the Temple Bar tourist trap prices. I would highly recommend this place to single women, or women traveling together, as I felt very safe walking back to my hotel at night. Very close to several corner shops and excellent restaurants. I will hands down stay here again the next time I come to Dublin read more

This hotel is located in the center of Dublin and is within walking distance to all the major attractions. The rooms are clean, spacious and comfortable but bring your own toiletries as they don't supply them. WiFi is free and worked great in our room. read more

I do not understand all of the four and five star reviews for this place. Perhaps things have changed since my husband and I stayed here two years ago. The first difficulty we encountered upon arriving was that the entrance area to the hotel, the parking area, and the bottom few floors of the building next door were under construction. We had to unload our luggage within an active construction area and leave it in the lobby of the hotel while we went to find parking (for an additional cost) two streets away. The hotel itself seemed unreasonably busy until we noticed a sign in the lobby - "The Voice UK" auditions were taking place there. Our four-night stay was marred by constant construction noise during the day and (literally) screaming people running up and down the hallways at all hours of the night. The outer walls of the hotel seemed to be paper-thin; from our room on the fifth floor, we could clearly hear the music from the night club on the bottom floor of the building next door. On our last evening there, a Saturday, we got maybe an hour or two of sleep before our long drive to Rosslare because of the raucous partying in the hallways until the wee hours. The only two good things about our stay (hence the earned one star) were the bar and restaurant staff and the room cleanliness. Bar and restaurant staff were so friendly and such great conversationalists, we looked forward to spending our late-evenings there. The room was small, but clean and comfortable. It's too bad we didn't actually get to enjoy any peace while we were there. read more

Maybe I've gotten used to nicer hotels. But this place is mostly about convenience, not nicety. I stayed here on a group tour and it was fine, but while it's convenient (across the street from an AirLink Express stop to Dublin Int'l airport and right off a main thoroughfare), it is a fairly depressing experience. The staff are super friendly and helpful, but the rooms are VERY dim and depressing, as is the lobby. The shower is adequate but they only provide liquid soap, no shampoo or other things you usually find in hotels. PRO TIP: if you have several devices (computer, iPad, mobile phone), charge them at night or while you are actually IN the room. Why? Because the room requires the room card to operate the lights and when you leave and take your room card out of the slot, your devices will not charge while you are away for the day. Also, be aware that this hotel books a lot of tour groups. There was a group of ~40 European kids staying at the hotel and they had the potential for being a sleep disruption. Also, the walls are super thin. Breakfast is decent, not great, but decent. Also, my bed was comfortable, but it squeaked every time I moved. Bottom line - stay here if you want a good deal and convenient location and don't mind the rest of it being mediocre. read more

Had a good stay here. Room was small but very clean and quiet. The location is great as it is steps from the shuttle bus from the airport and near stores and resturants. Free wifi and there is a coffee shop in the front lobby that makes fresh squeezed orange. The neighborhood does have quite a gypsies begging for money and some down and out folks. read more

Good hotel, GREAT location. It's located in City Centre and is a walk or short cab ride to everything! We stayed here for 3 nights total, Thurs/Fri and the following Tues. The staff members were very friendly and helpful. They actually let us check in during the morning, which was a relief after having taken the red-eye flight from NYC. The HOHO bus and the airlink bus stop right around the corner from the hotel. There's also a bus station a few blocks away if you want to catch a bus to get out of Dublin. My only complaint was the shower situation the first 2 nights. There was no tub, which is no big deal, except for the fact that the drain was clogged. If you were in the shower for more than 2 minutes, the whole bathroom filled up w/water. The 3rd night we had room with a normal shower. Otherwise, the rooms were clean and comfortable. Overall, a great stay! *Tips: If you stay mid-week in the off-season, call to haggle the price. We waited until Tues to make a reservation, and it was much cheaper than the online rate. Also, take advantage of the tour buses!! http://www.dublinsightseeing.ie/index.aspx read more

1st stop on 10 day tour of Ireland. Take the #747 bus to save $$$ which drops you off just a few blocks from hotel. We paid to early check-in which was nice after overnight flight from TX. Great location in city center. Most anything is within walking distance. Or take city bus. Be sure to get a LEAP pass before leaving airport as it provides unlimited use for 72 hrs after first used. Free wifi in room. Sign up for breakfast buffet the night before and save money. Rooms have a/c. read more

Really a 3 star hotel in my opinion. Not the star rating it gets on many sites. The staff was friendly enough but you could tell they were trying to push all the visitors to buy tickets for the Green Tour Bus. Getting here from the airport was a cinch. Very fast and the buses run directly using the Airport shuttle service. The staff wasn't too friendly but the room was clean. Bathroom was pretty spacious and fit our needs. read more

First off... GREAT LOCATION!!!! Right off O'Connell Street! Short walk to the shopping streets and not a bad walk to Temple Bar. The staff is very courteous and there is a petite fitness room. I had four in my party - two were in a king bed room and myself and mom were in a twin room. My ONLY recommendation is rearrange the beds in the twin room. By doing this it gave us WAY more space! Yes, the rooms are petite, but let's get real - we're in DUBLIN people!! Also, if you request an upgrade they will usually accommodate with discount. As I said - can't beat the location! read more

The hotel was conveniently located and the desk help was quite helpful. The rooms are simply too small and poorly laid out. There was no place to put two suitcases other than a too small piece of furniture and the bed. The bathroom door did not open without slamming into toilet stool, the shower door was very hard to fold open and closed. Do not get me started on breakfast. Apparently, despite being told by a gentleman at the door to sit anywhere, sitting two people at a table for three was offensive to the table cleaner. Because that is a confrontation we all want at the end of a long, otherwise pleasant trip. Bottom line, if you are 20 anything and packed in a backpack, this it the place for you. If you like an ounce of comfort, it is not. read more