Nearing the end of our major plumbing project (see: http://www.yelp.com/biz/pro-roto-redwood-city-2?hrid=As403ZTRy13fQNsz921LLg ), we called Wei at HB Kitchen Bath Inc. for help to re-tile our bathroom. Wei sent his best tiler, Master Chen, who previously worked on our house, to complete the job. We are so thankful and happy that Master Chen did a superb job in laying down new 2ft x 2ft tiles with 1/8 inch grout separations. The result was as if nothing has ever happened to our bathroom! And it was all done on a Saturday just before Christmas (2015)! We would recommend Wei and crew any time and to any one in need of home remodeling jobs because of their speed, quality and attention to details. read more

HB Kitchen Bath - Top: Before; Bottom: After - Kitchen & Bath Near Me - Hayward, California

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We remodeled two bathrooms and it was quite a big job because we have to knock down a wall for one of the bathroom. It was originally a two-sink corridor separated with a door to the toilet/bathtub. We remodeled it to be one big bathroom. I posted a picture of the after picture. The other bathroom was pretty simple, but still a complete remodel with new tiles, toilet, cabinets, and sink. The design was all mine and I had very specific ideas. Wei, the owner, pretty much understood everything I wanted in one conversation. The bathroom today is pretty much what I had envision in my head. Everything was done according to schedule and it was over a year ago and we have no problems with anything. I highly recommend this company for remodeling. The tile work is amazing: layout is well-thought and super-thin grout lines just like I wanted. read more

HB Kitchen Bath - Bathroom after remodel - rubber ducks and other accesories not included. :) - Kitchen & Bath Near Me - Hayward, California

You won't believe the total transformation of our kitchen that Richard and his team did. We had to wait for a long time to be on the queue for kitchen remodelling. I am so glad we waited patiently. Richard was very patient and paid attention to what we want done to our kitchen. Christine at the office was the most cheerful, friendliest and the best friend you'll ever want to partner with in this major house project. She and Richard were very communicative and we're very efficient. Thank you Richard, Christine and team! Now it's time to work on the bathrooms! read more

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Recently I did a major upgrade project in my new condominium and had HB kitchen bath team complete the entire project. Among the major improvements are building of a feature wall with multiple surface to a 20' ceiling. The wall features a large TV and a fireplace. Our designer provided the design and HB kitchen bath crew executed the build out perfectly with a resulting stunning look. In addition, I had build another designer wall for master bedroom, with upgrades in lighting, ceiling fans, vanity mirrors, closet organizers, and a complete paint job for the entire home. They replaced my large kitchen countertop complete with waterfall edges and a brand new farmhouse sink. I also had to run additional CAT6 for internet access to more locations for entertainment and gaming. The HB team is very professional and they even provided a deep cleaning service after the entire project is completed. The entire project was overseen by owner Wei and he was extremely flexible and quality minded. The foreman for the project did a great job building out the infrastructure to support a high wall and all the electrical upgrades. The cabinet crew built out the very high wall perfectly with my chosen panels and installed 3 organizers for all 3 of my closets. I highly recommend HB kitchen bath to anyone looking to do any size project as they are very well structured to make your project a success, small or big! read more

We have used HB Kitchen and Bath for 5 projects. They installed new cabinets throughout our home. Later they Installed LED low voltage lighting throughout the home. They did the gut and total remodel of a rental unit, including removal of walls and new structural beams, refinished the hardwood floor, new bathrooms and kitchen including cabinets, new fireplace stone, all new LED lighting, and all new plumbing and electrical system. They remodeled and updated the kitchen and 2 bathrooms in a rental, and replaced all windows with dual pane, installed new floors, and a new AC. In another rental house they installed new dual pane windows and a new AC and furnace. In every case we found their office team and construction teams very easy to work with and knowledgeable. The workers worked most the time, always clean up after mess they did. Their price was competitive and fair, and if we ever encountered an issue they were quick to respond. We will continue to work with them on future projects and highly recommend them. read more

I can't believe it's been months after Richard and his crew completed out kitchen remodel that I am writing this review. My wife and I recently purchased a home and it's kitchen was severely outdated, and in need of a complete overhaul. Our remodel consisted of new quartz countertop, new cabinets, relocating fridge, relocating wall mount oven, converting electric range to gas range, new apron sink install, installing built in microwave into cabinet, removal of old tube light ceiling and replacing with updated lightbox installation with 6 led recessed lights, and the list goes on... We had several bids from various contractors, and hb kitchen bath was by far the best contender. Richard and his team were extremely punctual, they completed the job when they said they would, and Richard's communication with my wife and I during the whole process was very in depth. He would always keep us informed on progress and certain things to look out for which we appreciated very much. The workers were quiet and polite, always cracking jokes while hardly taking any breaks! These guys get the job done. HB Kitchen Bath will without a doubt be our first choice in our future house projects! Thank you Richard, and HB Kitchen for the amazing job! I'll upload some before and after pictures for you all. read more

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HB Home Decor remodeled my kitchen and half bath last spring. They did such a wonderful job that I decided to have them remodel my master bath and hallway bath this fall. Again, they did a fantastic job! Aidan was my project manager again. He is super friendly and easy to talk to. He always kept me updated on the progress of the remodeling. He goes above and beyond to make sure that the project met my expectation. Christine was my designer. She was so professional and knowledgeable. She helped me choose tiles and shower panels that I would never have considered without her help. I love the combinations of colors and styles that she recommended. I am extremely happy with the outc of my bathroom. HB Home Decor is definitely a five-star company! I highly recommend them! read more

Most contractors will send a small crew for your renovation & you will get a "jack-of-all-trades, master of none" level of workmanship. HB Kitchen Bath operates more efficiently. They have small teams that specialize in what they do best (plumbing, electrical, flooring, tile work, etc.) & the project manager schedules them to complete your renovation in a timely manner. Because they all work for HB Kitchen Bath, you're not working around a sub-contractor's calendar. The pricing is more than fair, especially considering the high quality of workmanship. We were fortunate to have the owner, Wei, assigned as our project manager & as busy as he was running the whole company, he was always accessible & pleasant. Whenever concerns came up, they were addressed immediately & professionally. Wei adheres to all the current building codes & as picky as we were about certain things, Wei had even higher, stricter standards. He even had his team fix a lot of the shabby work past handymen had performed. The HB Kitchen Bath showroom is a one-stop shop, meaning you can purchase most of your plumbing fixtures, appliances, flooring, cabinets, countertops, etc. through them & they offer extremely good pricing. The company has it's own design team to help you figure out what you want & how to do it. Christine & Jasmine were amazing every step of the way.... designing, ordering, negotiating....whatever needed to be done to keep our project on track. They were true miracle workers! The best part of the company is all the people who work there. They are all so happy to help you & truly work hard to do it. We are so pleased with the results of our kitchen, family room, guest room, guest bath, laundry room & downstairs flooring, we've decided to do the upstairs! They've taken the stress out of the renovation process, so it's something we can look forward to now. :) read more

HB Kitchen Bath - Kitchen & Bath Near Me - Hayward, California

The best. I would highly recommend. They did two and a half of my bathrooms, kitchen, and all the small and big fixes. (So in short, mostly all around the house) I was impressed on how they finished early and on time. We were on a very tight schedule and they delivered on time. Each crew were very professional, kind, cleaned after themselves everyday, and fast workI am very happy with the result and would ask them back if I need any other renovations throughout the house. read more

HIGHLY RECOMMENDED!!! We contacted Wei Luo (Manager of HB Kitchen Bath Inc.) based on my friend's referral. Since my friend highly recommended him and mentioned we should prepare earlier, we contacted him half year earlier :) We found Wei is very nice and kindness during our first call. The home we want to do kitchen remodeling is an Eichler Home, which isn't an easy case for most contractors. However, Wei gave us a detailed insight of remodeling plan from the house owner perspective by explaining every plan's pros/cons and providing the reasonable estimates. We felt that Wei fully understood our concerns / how we think and our decision process. So we decided to move forward with Wei after interviewing 4 contractors - we felt so lucky to make that decision in the end. Wei made the whole process straightforward and seamless. We also bought cabinets and countertop from HB Kitchen which are all in good quality and price reasonable. Wei helped us apply permit and he was very prompt, detailed oriented, analytical, thorough, and can did in his evaluation of plans. He would answer every single question in full details and explain the pros and cons of each options. The workers from his team are very handy and kindness. They would also help you clean up when they finish their daily work, which surprised us a lot. They made progress every day and I felt so good when I checked the remodeling status each time. They finished the whole project within 4 weeks even though he mentioned it may take 6 weeks - you can understand why they are standout among all contractors in Bay Area!! Especially, we are very relax during the whole process thanks to Wei and his team are professional and thorough. You can see the huge difference between my original kitchen and my new kitchen :) read more

HB Kitchen Bath - After (My Eichler Home's Kitchen) - Kitchen & Bath Near Me - Hayward, California

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Our house had completely remodeled by HB Kitchen and Bath recently. Kitchen, 2 bathrooms, living room had huge transformation to modern clean, minimalist style. All Windows and doors had replaced as well as electrical panel upgraded. My project manager Wei Luo had done excellent job to get this project completed in timely manner and good quality. Highly recommended and appreciated Wei's professional and leading the project and team to exceed my expectation. Back in March of this year, I had started interviewing contractors. In May, I decided to go with HB Kitchen and Bath after meeting Wei and visited the showroom. Wei gave detail proposal on behalf of home owner perspective and helped me to make right decision on every single details. Wei is very nice and friendly, easy to approach. Always prompt response whenever I reach out. Wei also handled the permits and inspections. I would also like to shout out his professional team done awesome job transform my house into minimalist modern home. The designer Miao who assists me in shopping materials, pick colors and build the kitchen cabinet design plan. She is not only detail oriented but also super patience even I changed kitchen countertop material and floor material 3 times as well as bathroom materials. The HB crew also kept the site clean and always making sure trashes and boxes were removed end of the day or whenever job completed. Staffs are friendly, professional and easy to communicate and work with. I was very impressed the fact I was able to handle this project along with my full time job without taking any time off simply because Wei managed to handle all. HB Kitchen and Bath provides full home remodeling services that I could sit back and relaxingly enjoy this project. Thank you so much to my project manager Wei and HB teams. read more

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My home needed more lighting in the bedrooms and living room, so after getting a recommendation for HB, I was contacted by Aiden. He was the project manager for the lighting project. We also wanted to replace the canister ceiling lights with matching LED recessed lighting. Aiden was very helpful in giving feedback on what lights we could use & was never pushy about my consideration of replacing the canister lights to match. He was very helpful in also finding alternative angle lights when the original ones had lower lumens than I wanted. The whole project took 5 days. Each subteam- Danny +1 for electrician work, and another team for texture & a final team for painting. Each sub team worked very diligently while on site, often only breaking for lunch. They were open to feedback on light placement & also knew code to keep explain to me how far things had to be from the ceiling sprinklers. I even ended up changing the dimmer type after day 1 since I did not end up liking the first one I chose. They switched then out with no complaints. I am very happy with all the new lighting throughout the house. Makes the home feel brand new. read more

I worked with Christine on my kitchen design and Aidan was the lead for my kitchen remodel. They both did a wonderful job communicating updates and providing options that fit within my budget. I would recommend this company as they are trustworthy, honest and timely. read more

Jasmine and Christine were awesome to work with. After the purchase, I went back and forth with them plenty of times because I needed more cabinets and changes due to my part. They were very responsive and super helpful all the way to the end. They not only sold me the cabinets but the customer service during installation was what counted. Thanks so much, would definitely use them again. read more

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I definitely recommend HB Kitchen Bath INC. They provided me with a great service when I went in for cabinets. Christine and Jasmine were especially helpful and friendly. 10/10 recommend! read more

HB Kitchen Bath - Kitchen & Bath Near Me - Hayward, California

Recently I had my kitchen remodeling (floor and backsplash installments) by HB Kitchen bath. I was on their four months' waiting list and I'm glad HB completed it in a timely manner. I am happy with the outcomes. HB also completed my other miscellaneous requests for replacing outlets, light fixtures and curtain rod installments for a high ceiling, etc. I don't know if any other contractors would fulfill my detailed various requests! I chose HB because I am happy when I used HB two years ago for my condo's bathroom remodeling. I have only one toilet and one shower/tub in my condo unit and this remodeling job made me nervous. Other contractor suggested I stay at a nearby hotel because I wouldn't be able to use a bathroom over a month! But Aiden of HB eased my anxiety and I could use my toilet from Day 1. Also, Aiden was very responsive and serious about my bathroom remodeling when I first contacted him. He came out and measured all areas. Other two contractors didn't bring a measure. They looked around my bathroom and gave a rough quote. When I told them other contractor (=HB) gave me more reasonable quote, one contractor immediately lowered a quote by $5K. How could you trust his sales talk? I recommend HB for remodeling work because they took their project seriously. read more

Wei Lou was very thorough and paid close attention to detail in the renovation of my home. The passion behind his work reflected through to the end of the project and i couldn't be more satisfied with the services that I received. I highly recommend that you choose HB Kitchen bath for your upcoming renovation if you are seeking top quality work. read more

HB Kitchen Bath - Kitchen & Bath Near Me - Hayward, California

We used HB Kitchen Bath to remodel our kitchen and two bathrooms as they were highly recommended by our neighbor. Our project was completed within 12 weeks. During the process, there were some unexpected issues, but most importantly HB was able to get the issues resolved for us. Aiden, our project manager, responded in a timely manner with answers to our questions and needs. The crew were friendly and started their work on time and kept our jobsite clean. One of the crew members, Mr. Li, is a highly experienced supervisor who shared his knowledge and gave his advice, so we understood the work was done correctly. We were happy with the whole crew and all other staff at the showroom. They were very professional and helpful. read more

Very unprofessional . Never never never again. It is waist of time and money. missing cabinets and part ofter delivery. And they dont take responsibility for it . Dont waist your money on this busines. read more

This place is not 100% showroom, but they do have lots of supplies you want. If you are having trouble looking for specific type of windows and doors, this will be your to go stop. This have lots of options but the only thing they show case will be some cabinets, tiles, flooring, doors, and windows. Don't expect to see a fully built bathroom or kitchen for you to look, the showroom is a warehouse showing types of material. Not a recommendation for owner that need inspiration and physical visual ideas. It is great for owner/contractor to get supplies and look at different types of materials. read more

We had the pleasure of working with Aidan on a project in 2023. We interviewed over 10 contractors for our whole home remodel. While HB's bid price was in the middle of the pack, we felt most drawn to Aidan's responsiveness and attention to detail. We felt he was very knowledgeable and had a knack of explaining things in ways which we could clearly understand. He worked within our budget and was very accommodating to our requests (even last minute ones). His team was very professional, showed up when they said they would, and the job was completed on time. There were a few hiccups along the way, like when the team mistakenly installed our sun tunnels in the wrong places, or when there was miscommunication on wall placements and measurements, but Aidan always went the extra mile to make sure to resolve the issues to the point where we were completely satisfied. We've now been enjoying our beautiful home for almost a year. We would highly recommend Aidan and HB! read more

Excellent Customer Service. I had a problem with the new cabinet I just bought from H&B Kitchen Bath in Hayward. One of the crew dented the top part of the cabinet. Eva and Jasmine were very helpful. They were both honest to my contractor and suggested an option that will work and will make me happy. They know what my contractor initially suggested will not work so they offered a suggestion. I'm so glad my contractor agreed with them. Thanks, Jasmine and Eva. read more

For my kitchen remodel, I shopped around and visited 4 different stores before deciding on HB kitchen. I chose HB Kitchen for excellent customer service and competitive prices. I had a fantastic experience working with Miao Guan, who is one of their top designers and planners. She took the time to understand my needs and made relevant suggestions to improve upon our initial designs. Every project is unique and I was impressed by the professionalism Miao exhibited and patiently answered all out questions and worked through our requests with a smile. The end result was a minimalistic/clean and functional layout with tons of storage. We had specific/custom requirements based on the dimensions of our appliances and Miao was able to deliver on everything our list and within our budget. Our orders were placed right at the beginning of the pandemic. With all the closures, Miao worked extremely hard to ensure that our order was delivered with minimal disruptions. At any point, she never tried to upsell me on anything and recommended ways to refine our project scope to meet our needs while staying within budget. The showroom in Hayward is relatively small to those of their competition. But they have everything you could possibly be looking for and are willing to do their best to work with suppliers to get you the best deals. I am so glad I chose them. Miao will be my goto person for my future projects. She is a rockstar and ensures that her customers are absolutely delighted with the quality of the service and final product. Thank you so much Miao and HB kitchen for giving us our dream kitchen. read more

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If you are looking for a great place to buy new kitchen cabinets go to HB Kitchen Bath Inc. Better yet, run! This is the only place you need to go. I had the pleasure of working with Christine and I feel like I gained a friend. She worked with me during every step from design to installation and in between. We chose the cabinets from Alice Cabinetry. They look great and they are local. Everything went so smooth and even though there were a couple hiccups along the way, Christine bent over backwards for me to make it right. I highly recommend HB Kitchen Bath. read more

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I have a difficult time in calling in so I went to the store directly. The service I received is just overwhelming. Eva and her colleague spent hours adjusting the design for my tiny kitchen. I'm so impressed that they tried to achieve perfection with a higher standard than myself. The Alice line that they carry is also top notch in quality compared to the ones I saw in other stores with similar price range. The friend who recommended me to check hb out has been using the cabinets for a year and they are still very happy with them. read more

Look at my amazing kitchen, thanks to Chrisitine at HB who helped me along the way from designing my kitchen layout, patiently redesigning it, to ordering additional parts, fine tuning a lot of details. Everyone there is helpful responsive, and work with a great attitude ! Cabinet quality is great! They even rushed it to meet my delivery timeline. Will highly recommend this place for your next remolding projects! read more

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We got frameless cabinet "eclipse" from HB and we absolutely love it. We were debating whether to renovate the kitchen or not and so glad we did. Christine was super friendly and super helpful and helped us select the right brand, style, and mocked up a design for us and paid careful attention to details with the whole process. Everything arrived on time and as expected. Overall a super smooth process. They also have the best price after we compared quote from a few places. You can't go wrong with HB. read more

HB Kitchen Bath - Kitchen & Bath Near Me - Hayward, California

Just had HB Kitchen team built a complete new kitchen. Excellent products and superb installation. They got the entire project done in less than two weeks. Thank you very much! read more

I love my new kitchen!  HB Kitchen recently remodeled my kitchen and half bath.  The result is beautiful!  My project manager was Aidan.  I absolutely love working with Aidan!  Aidan was very easy to talk to and very responsive.  What I appreciated most about Aidan is that he kept me updated throughout the project, which made me feel less anxious during the remodeling. I would also like to mention Christine.  She was my designer.  Christine was so wonderful to work with.  I appreciated her honesty and professionalism.  She helped me choose the cabinets, tiles, and countertops without being pushy.  Even though we had some issues like the tiles didn't arrive on time or the countertops broke (vendor's fault not HB),  Aidan and Christine did everything they could to make the experience go as smoothly as possible.   Between the two of them, somehow they helped make my kitchen bigger than before the remodeling even though we didn't change the layout.  That's how good Aidan and Chistine are at their jobs!  I can't wait for them to come back and remodel my bathroom!  If you're looking for a contractor, I highly recommend HB Kitchen.  Ask for Aidan and Christine, you won't be disappointed! read more

HB Kitchen and Bath made our complete kitchen and bathroom remodel so easy!! We met for a consultation, and while they weren't the most expensive or least expensive quote we got, they were so professional and organized, we decided to go with them. Honestly, EVERY step of the process was great. We completely re-did our bathroom and kitchen, installed recessed lighting throughout the house, and re-did all of our pipes to copper piping. The crews worked diligently and were totally reliable. We worked with Loo as our project manager, and he was awesome. We texted daily and the communication was so easy throughout the process. He always gave us a heads up if there were any issues or questions that came up. Our bathroom and kitchen turned out BEAUTIFULLY!!! My husband and I argue about which room we like better, because we like both so much (lol). I would highly recommend HB for any home remodel project, I've already recommended them to friends and family. read more

Thanks for Mr. Wei's team! They're really professional and knowledgeable on what they do. For our renovation project on the 2 bathrooms, they provide a lot of great advises and plans. In addition, their price is more reasonable and competitive than others. During this project, all the staffs are wearing mask and keeping a social distance. I'd like to recommend HB company to you and your family. Thanks again for everything you've done for us! read more

I had the pleasure to work with Jasmine and Christine on a custom made kitchen island and I can say that I had the best customer service from the start to finish. It was very easy to deal with Jasmine and she was very hands on throughout the whole process from choosing the design, layout and colour. The lead time on the product was 8 weeks as it was custom made and Jasmine made sure that I was kept in the loop until delivery date. I am now working on a new project for my living room and both Jasmine and Christine are helping me out on this project. Thank you again Team HB Kitchen Bath! read more

Wei and his crews are PROFESSIONAL and RELIABLE. We found HBKB through friend's referral. We are so lucky and grateful that I found HBKB team to handle our kitchen and bathroom renovation. It was a smooth and joyful process doing business with them. Wei is extremely considerate about customers in every detail, not like most providers that are trying to sell more, he even thinks about helping customer save money while doing the high quality work. When we met with Wei the first time to discuss our kitchen and bathroom renovation plan, he was very professional and showed us his certificates even before we asked for it, which is one of the professional signs he showed and really helped customers trust Wei and his company. When it comes to project details and signing the contract, Wei confirmed every item with us efficiently and provided a clean contract noting the projects and timeline requirements. I can see that their team's schedule was so tight. However, they still tried best to bring the service to customers ASAP with professional crews and great work. The tile crews were thoughtful and professional in deciding the tile layout. Instead of blindly following the customers' choice, the lead crew always gives couple of choices and explain pros & cons to customer to help me make decision and have the tiles look more pretty. Wei knew that we are waiting for the kitchen badly. Sales place material orders timely and Wei always tried to send crews as soon as the material is ready. The finished kitchen and bathrooms are so beautiful that I could not take my eyes off them and always want to keep them clean. Of course there were times that mistake could happen in such a big project. Wei always put our thoughts, satisfactory and the work quality at first when thinking about solutions. I can definitely feel Wei's passion, rigorous and professionalism in this industry while talking to him and they were doing the job. I cannot express our appreciation more to Wei and their crews! I already recommended HBKB to my friends. read more

My whole house remodel was just done by Wei Loo and his HB Kitchen Bath Inc. I gave them this perfect rating is because they really deserve it. The scope of the remodel includes 200sf addition, plumbing, electricity, kitchen, two bath, floor and so forth. I don't want to recall how many details I have to face, and make decisions. Wei is such a sweet and warm young guy, and later I know that he is the BOSS of this company. He helped me with hundreds of decision making. I joked that he saved my marriage. :) My husband will never ever be able to help. So, I have to deal with the whole remodel. Can you imagine? Wei is not only helpful, the most important is that he is honest and very knowledgable with modern taste. From beginning till the end, I can't say it is absolutely no bumps here and there, however, he managed to solve the issues quickly and efficiently. He promised me to continue the work no matter hot or rain, and he did. The crew continued to work for three months, no stops. All my friends was amazed by the speed of my remodel. (We moved out for three months). The result is that I and of course my husband and my whole family love the way it looks now. Super modern and cozy, was designed by Mr. Wei and ME. :) The Burlingame city is strictly in all inspection. Wei will always be here to help out. I now live in my dream home, thanks to Wei and his wonderful, hard working team. read more

I needed kitchen remodeling and I contacted HB. They were extremely fast in responding and came to my house the next day. They are very knowledgeable and provided excellent design options and material suggestions. They were very professional. read more

this is our second project with HB. we built an addition to our home. we are very satisfied with the entire process and final results. Wei and Aidan were super helpful and patiently explained all the details. Thank you! read more

Online review give good impression, last year we wait months to get a appointment for estimate, which is medium remodel for almost the whole house. After the visit, they just stop communicate without giving any reason & excuse. They could have told me, they are too busy or give me a date, but nothing they just stop. read more

Had a brand new set of kitchen cabinet installed this year with HB kitchen and the entire process is smooth. Christine was very helpful and professional, helped me design the kitchen based on what I need and always being responsive via messenger or emails. Will definitely recommend them read more

Love my new bathroom! Staff was polite and professional. Even when all the things I kept adding to do. They all wore masks too. read more

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When I started down the path to remodel my kitchen, I thought that it was important to work with a small local business and have my tax dollars be spent in my community. I walked in the showroom and was looked at like I had three heads. "Oh, no." I was told. "You need to call for measurements first. But you know, we're really booked up. We won't be able to start your project until October at the earliest." Can I make an appointment here for measurements? Nope. I have to go home and call them. oooook... So I went home and called to schedule a time for someone to come out and take measurements and give me an estimate. No response. So I called again. No response. *sigh* Needless to say I went with another company. read more