Amazing people at this company, had the best experience with Tyler and Mason as our movers and Debbie and Dave as the office staff! I really wish I could give them 10 stars. On time, professional, confident, loyal to the company & customers, knowledgeable. We will never move ourselves again, this was worth every dollar we were charged. Thank you for the great experience Big Bear Moving/ Redlands moving/ Murrieta Moving! . read more

A lot of my furniture was damaged and chipped. And they left scratches and marks all over my walls in my new house. Luckily I was able to wipe most of it off. They also placed the washer crooked on the pan and crushed it. I can't move it myself so I had to hire someone to help. The movers were sloppy. I reached out to the moving company and haven't heard back. I am super disappointed and quite frankly pissed that I hired them. They didn't wrap any of my furniture and care about my walls. read more

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I just used this company for packing. The lead packer was not happy with the size of the job and repeatedly complained. It took two packers six hours. Towards the end they got sloppy. I found stuff not packed still on shelves. A few boxes had items sticking out and needed to be repacked. The real test will come when I unpack, I hope nothing is broken. read more

Anthony and Bravo made my sad move from Big Bear to San Fernando SO much better! They were amazing! I am so happy that we chose this company and I got those 2 men! I cannot say enough positive words about them! Thanks guys! read more

This company sent a representative, James, to look at our house and give us an estimate. The estimate was 2100$. When they finished, they gave us a bill for 4100$ and then wanted a tip. It was outrageous! read more

I had a big job, wasn't prepared for all the chaos. The movers were not at fault. The owners and office help did not communicate the cash at service move day and swore they did. I would certainly pay attention to that. The whole thing was a shim show if you know what I mean. Took 10 years off my life, and I am already 81. Don't hire them! read more

Just want to say how Awesome Redlands Movers are!! They took great care of my antique furniture! Very reasonably priced!! I most highly recommend them!! It took all the stress out of my move! So if you need great movers just call Redlands Movers, they are the Best!! read more

BEWARE!!!! Also known as Redland moving company.The worst moving company out there. We had them move us out of our home and store our thIngs fora month. Moved us in to our new home. Moved us in with other people's things and then lost our pool table slate and damaged a lot of our items. The company is still not wanting to take responsibility for lost and damaged things. Waiting since November 2021for our pool slate to be replaced and our claim to be paid out. DONT USE THIS COMPANY! Very unprofessional. The team of movers left their garbage everywhere! We will be taking them to small claims court! read more

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Never called me back to make appointment to move. Very bad. Will not ever call them in the near future to help me move. Just lost a potential customer. read more

Aaron and Skyler were great! Super friendly and moved our entire house in 1 day. Nothing broke. Will definitely be calling again when we move next. read more

BEWARE this company is AWFUL!!! I was told that the trucks would only accommodate a home in the range of 1600 sq ft, so in turn I needed 2 trucks as my house is 1900 plus. So two trucks required 2 drivers and boy let me tell you they move slower then slow. They got to my house 5 minutes before 10 and they did not get done until 5 minutes to 8pm. I was moving my stuff into a storage unit and I had to pay an additional $25 because the movers would not be done by the time the gate hours closed. I have a 3 bedroom house and it took them ALL I mean ALL let me clarify ALL day to move my stuff. Yeah same thing I said and thought. On the bright side they damaged my washer machine.. ok, hold up they broke the glass to the lid on my washing machine. Now I have to put in a claim to "SEE" if they will pay for it. Beware they will tell you to move a 3bd house it will be about $1100.. Yeah ok, I paid $3500 for an all day move, oh! I forgot to mention we beat them to the storage unit and they left 20 minutes before me and my husband. WTheck!! yeah!! And then the slow moving supervisor said it took them 1hr and 45 mins. Yeah, ok STUPID we were on the same freeway and it only took us an hour. Also, it is guidelines in place that moving companies must follow and they missed every guideline that is in place to protect consumers. DO your research people because I didn't. BIG BIG BIG MISTAKE Definitely a lesson learned. Oh! I FORGOT this company the drivers smelled like weed! smelled like they just lit one up before walking into my house. read more

The guys were nice enough but nice doesn't pay the bills. They were hired to pack and move. They separated things that should have been in the same box into different boxes so we had to hunt down everything. They damaged the wood on my grandfather clock and the head guy's solution was to cover the damage with a felt pen??? They damaged my dad's brand new bed. They broke a really nice shelf that my mom kept plates on and, days later, we still haven't found the broken piece. They were very loud and disturbed the neighbors. One neighbor told me that the workers were out front of the house loudly complaining about the work and about us. This company was referred to us by a friend. We would NEVER recommend this company to anyone!!! read more

This company will disapoint. The movers they sent smoked more than they moved. These guys are a joke. They took so many pot smoking breaks that they were unable to complete the job. They had their truck half loaded after 8 hours. I contacted the office before posting this review and they said they would have the other items moved and then i never heard from them again. Dont use this company. read more

Rescheduled me 3 times, showed up once, cancelled on me the morning of twice. Won't refund my deposit and never moved a thing. Not confident on mountain roads. I took off work 3 times to move with them and that cost me a lot. They call the night before to confirm the next morning to then call the next morning to cancel? They claimed the roads were covered in snow and ice when they were plowed down to the pavement and cindered. Two wheel drive vehicles had no trouble on the roads. There were no chain requirements in town. They claimed they can handle moving with the weather and would chain up if they had to. That was not true in my case. Hire someone else. read more

Thank you Big Bear Moving for taking my move in Big Bear to Orange County. Weather was not ideal, but your guys, Aaron and Julian, did amazing and were so professional! Move went well to storage and could not be more pleased! Will definitely use you again in the future. Thanks again! read more

RUN don't walk!!! This company doesn't seem to have any information about pricing until after they've taken all your belongings. They rushed to move our belongings to their facility (after we told there was no immediate need to move) and would not give us a full price estimate for two days. Our belongings were taken from our home without a written contract and without any consent to complete the move. After being quoted 5x the price of a uhaul to complete the move they've charged us $1200 pick up our belongings and can't even tell us how many units they used for storage. It's mind boggling that a company is run in such a manner. read more

***BEWARE - fraudulent contracts and unreimbursed damage claims*** Note that formal complaints have been filed with the Office of Inspector General - Dept. of Transportation due to contract fraud, and the Better Business Bureau for resolution of unreimbursed damage *** My mother hired Big Bear Moving in June 2019 to move her possessions from Lake Arrowhead into the company's storage location in San Bernardino, pending final move to Santa Ana for a later date. In Jan. 2020, her possessions were moved from the storage unit into her home in Santa Ana. When the moving company arrived with her possessions, she was asked to sign a blank contract with no estimate for what the charges would be. The delivery driver verbally said "it's probably around $1,000, but based on the time it takes." In addition, she was asked to initial the contract that she was provided a copy of the "Consumer Protection Booklet" that is required by law. The driver did NOT have the booklet and admitted that he does not carry those. When the work was done, it was announced that she owed $2,211 for the move. He then ask that she sign a document that she was informed of this amount BEFORE the move actually began! Several items were found to be seriously damaged including solid oak dining room table, large entertainment unit, damaged mattress, missing knobs from smaller furniture, etc. In addition, the brand new carpet in my mother's home was stained by a greasy dolly as the moving company admitted that the carpet cover they needed was buried in the truck and they could not get to it. As we watched items being moved in, we were chasing greasy stains and trying to minimize additional damage. (see photos and video links for detail). Dragging mattress across wood floor: https://ln.sync.com/dl/6dd632090/22ra25x9-ghthaqze-av3thqn5-b3bd8tpi Multiple carpet stains from greasy dolly due to lack of floor protection: https://ln.sync.com/dl/355474130/7xdaqktr-auuz6ft2-tjbekjpe-vecv6t99 In fact, the lead driver commented to me "this is the worse damage Ive seen in my 26 years" (doing this work). Following the move, we completed and submitted a damage claim request to Big Bear Moving. My mother was later contacted by the Randy Rogers, owner of the business who told her that his company was NOT responsible for the damage as Mr. Rogers claimed he did not own the business at the time the items were placed into storage. As he believed that damage related to the June. 2019 move, not the Jan. 2020 move, he would NOT be responsible. "That was a different ownership" he said. We then research California Corporate filings online and found that he assertion was completely false. California Corporate Number #C3474273 was the SAME. The only thing changed were corporate officers, but the actual business entity was the SAME. As a result, they were/are responsible for the admitted damage claim. We attempted to resolve directly with business and contacted them five (5) times in the hopes of doing so in good faith, but it became clear that they had no intention to do so. As a result of this, it was clear to me that a detailed YELP review was needed as well as escalation to other regulatory authorities. read more

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So I'm reading the comments, and seeing people being very petty about the smoking , these guys just moved us in and they are one of the best moving companies I've seen! Ladies; first off every single mover was very handsome second they came prepared! They are fast and work hard, me personally I don't care about smoking if it gives you the energy and stability that these guys exemplified I say smoke away they moved a 3000 ft sq. Home to our new home and they did a helluva job! For some reason I can only remember one of the guys name ceasear that lil dude is a site to watch! So if you want a reliable, fast, hard working crew call this company! If you want your stuff moved without any items being broken and damaged call these guys Redlands movers are A TEN STAR NOT FIVE read more

We hired Big Bear moving to help move some furniture from the 3rd floor of my mother's Lake Arrowhead home, down to the 1st floor and also to move some furniture and items from her home to a family friend in Victorville. I called just 2 days before we needed them as was so happy that they had availability. Although we had a slight mix-up on the original day we had it planned, James with the home office was honest, let us know what happened, and helped us quickly identify a plan to come the next morning. The crew kept us well informed and called us the morning of the move to let us know when they would be there, and to confirm the details of the job to make sure they had everything that would be needed. They arrived on time and were very hard working and respectful. They took great care of my mother's furniture and moved it expertly down the very narrow and steep 3-story mountain home staircase. I highly recommend Big Bear Moving and won't hesitate to call them again when we need any mover/moving help. read more

We hired Big Bear Moving for our home and office move to one location. From the moment I called and spoke to the woman at the office, I felt this was the company to go with! She was helpful and kindly answered all of my questions. We moved about 1500 sqft of living and work space from Covina, CA to Lake Arrowhead, CA. Chris and Joey arrived early, were patient and kind even though we were a bit late and not fully packed, and were very careful with our stuff. They even helped us figure out ways to properly store and pack some of the stuff we didn't know how to handle. They worked super hard and were FAST! I felt good knowing that they weren't trying to wear down the clock and make more money than it takes. This is something I felt worried about, knowing that they charge hourly but I felt this company was honorable and respectable. We had a fair amount of fragile items and everything was treated kindly and did not break! We did have one table leg break but the table was honestly already broken and was barely holding on so it's entirely not their fault. They wrapped everything we asked them to and were careful with everything we mentioned was fragile. Thanks to Chris and Joey, our experience was awesome! We had a lot of stress surrounding this move and they really helped us relax and took the work out of our hands! Totally worth the money. Thanks guys! read more

First of all, with thorough searching, we could not find a viable, current, listing for Big Bear Moving, LLC...(NOTHING ON THE STATE OF CALIFORNIA Secretary of State website for Big Bear Moving!) In fact, we found many addresses listed on government websites, but few (one?) were actually viable business addresses associated with the companies doing business as Big Bear Moving, Redlands Moving, Patricks Moving, Murrieta Moving (all these are companies associated with Randal Rogers, apparently the owner of Big Bear. We did find a PO Box affiliated with Redlands/ Big Bear, but it belongs to a 91yeare old lady who may or may not be, related to Randal Rogers--who may, or may not be the owner of the company! WEAK! Redlands Moving & Storage was retained to move us from our home in One portion of Los Angeles County, to another part of the same County. The movers were clearly not trained and were incompetent to do a move - they didn't know how to pack. They did NOT use ANY moving blankets to wrap furniture!!!! With ample time to spare, we scheduled our move, requesting two trucks and four or more movers. On the day of the move, Redlands called us ~two hours before the move to tell us that only one truck and two guys were coming! The two guys showed up an hour late and brought zero tools to disassemble furniture, especially beds. We had to loan our power tools to the guys to get the job going. When the truck showed-up at our new home, we could see from the way had loaded the furniture they had caused damage by the way they stacked it. They hurried and unloaded the furniture, flashed an attitude at my wife when she asked them to assemble the beds (they never did assemble the beds). We then extensively communicated to Redlands Moving/Big Bear Moving/etc...(there are three additional names and a multitude of addresses(!), they needed to make good on all the damages that we incurred. We took over thirty pictures of all the furniture damages, (one piece of furniture was so gauged and scraped we had to throw it away!) submitted a claim to Redlands/Big Bear etc and after two months we were offered $300...one TV they ruined cost $350 to replace!...we requested full compensation for the losses, which we conservatively estimated to be ~$10,000. Do NOT use this company...terrible!!! read more

John and Brian did an excellent job moving our things. We were very impressed by their work and skill. If we ever need movers we will definitely call them. read more

Had to move the first Monday of the new year (2022) and these guys were great. Dave V. and Danny took great care of us. Nothing damaged or missing, worked fast without rushing, reasonably priced - would definitely use their services again. read more

Look no further, Big Bear Moving are your guys for the job. Small or big they do it all, commercial, residential, cross country! My family used their services for a fairly large move this past weekend and we couldn't be happier with the service they provided. They took great care with each piece they moved. The team was coordinated and in sync with each other ensuring that they were being efficient with their time and careful with how the items were being packed. Jayson, Ronald, Jimmy and Adam H. Thank you! We will be referring your services to anyone we know needing assistance with a move. Hands down you all made this move easy and with such positive and fun attitudes even making it, dare I say, enjoyable! read more

Mike and Debbie were amazing. Escrow was delayed several times but they hung in there with me for a smooth move from California to Colorado. I highly recommend this company! read more

Big Bear Moving will move you from "anywhere to anywhere!" I was helping my parents with their move and was so happy with our experience with BBM. Sundown and his team were so courteous and professional. They could not have been more kind. I really appreciated how they interacted with my folks, treating them like they were their own parents, with lots of care and understanding. I highly recommend BBM to anyone who is looking for movers who work hard, are careful, conscientious and friendly. An all-around positive experience! read more

I just feel bad that I didn't read these reviews before I hired this company. I would have saved a headache, time and money. I honestly feel bad because the movers were nice guys. But when I think of movers I think of young, ambitious, honest pros. These dudes I'd rather party with at a concert on the beach, rippin one. That's the vibe. Basically to move a 3BR 1800sf to a 3BR 1200sf is not a small task. But I felt with the right people this could get done. They seemed confident, from the website making outlandish claims, "we are movers not breakers." Psssh, laughable now. Come on let's be honest. People need to work, but you need the right person for the right job. All in all I don't blame the guys moving, they did some work, no doubt. I blame the company. They undershot the objective. Nothing really makes up for bad business practice and for that reason I wouldn't settle with them. It would be foolish to trust that they won't break your shit, or "lose," (steal?) your shit. I mean a 7 ft rug? I hope it was cool gift to someone. It was pretty rad. Lastly, if the workers are going to take breaks, which they should, it should not be worked into the final price. Save yourself the headache. Keep looking. read more

I booked this company with Richelle one month in advance last November 2020, but when I tried to contact them a few days before the move, I could not reach anybody. I left numerous messages, but no calls back. In a panic, I hired a different company because I was closing escrow in a few days. In hindsight, I am now glad that they were a No Show. After reading all of the most recent reviews, it appears having them actually show up on Move Day is the LEAST OF YOUR PROBLEMS! Also, be aware they are trying to somehow "boycott" YELP Reviews and use a different Review process. They are saying businesses need to unite against YELP Reviews without fear. (Google "Local Inland Empire Mountain Movers" to see their new website and their "cause" against YELP.) This just proves all the more that YELP is out there for the Consumer to be made aware of Unscrupulous Companies doing business. The fact that they get TRASHED on YELP MEANS SOMETHING! People, READ YELP and make your own determination whether you choose to hire this company And those of you that had good experiences, just count yourself lucky. read more

Mover beware! This is the same company that runs Redlands moving and storage. They were a no show today. 7-29-19. Dave failed to make proper notes or schedule my change from 8-30-19. He did not apologize and stated he would call me back. Never received a call back today. Mover beware! read more

I've used this company twice in the past and was happy with service. I guess it is the luck of the draw with the people assigned to the job. This time I had two trucks, 4 people. It was a long job , 8 hours..two were pleasant the full time, two had bad attitudes and would take obvious China and crystal boxes flip them upside down and carry on their head . My file cabinet was also put in place upside down , what a mess. The bed rails were put together with unfinished side out, I had several broken hand painted wine glasses, a leather chair leg was broken off but they never mentioned the damage. I was asked to sign that all was well immediately after last piece was brought in so all the crystal and broken items weren't found until the next day...bummer for me read more

AKA Redlands Moving and Storage. My dad hired Redlands Moving and Storage on the referral of a friend. What a great referral it was!! Chris, Tito and Nate were so professional, so careful and so courteous. My parents were moving from their home of 20 years to a much smaller apartment to be closer to family. This was a very emotional move and Chris, Tito and Nate were so compassionate and kind that they made an otherwise challenging day into one that was so positive and uplifting. They were so careful with my mom and dad's belongings, wrapping antiques with plastic film to keep them safe and stacking boxes in the truck just right. They were quick and efficient on both the loading and unloading, handling things with care and patiently working with my parents on where things went. My dad had a huge oversized oak bar that would not fit in the new apartment and they managed somehow to get it over a patio fence to place it outside. No obstacle was too difficult for them! Although my husband and I haven't moved in 35 years, we will be referring them to all of our friends and will remember them if we do move! Thank you, Chris, Tito and Nate, for being the kind humans that your are. Redlands Moving and Storage are truly blessed to have you on their team! read more

I used this mover to move me from one house in Lake Arrowhead to another. Both houses had 3 floors with one having about 20 steps before you even got to the house. Alex & Nuki where great and really professional, they moved everything without a single issue. Their price was extremely fair for the work they did. I would highly recommend them if you looking to move. read more

FRAUD Scammers! BEWARE!!! They show up and make you sign a form that says they don't cover any items that are damaged, that should have been our first clue. Then they threated to take us to small claims court and "happily" take our additional $5,000.00 if we file a fraud claim with our credit card company. They broke my shutters and tried to hide the piece, and then dropped my refrigerator TWICE! It's no longer working Rochelle who is their claims person was RUDE and condescending stating that we signed off that nothing was covered if they broke it yet they sell you insurance, which wouldn't cover anything if you did buy it. The web site says they have insurance but you wont need it. Complete JOKE! I contacted the Bureau of Household Goods and Services and filed a complaint. Their numbers on the web site are fraud. She confirmed it over the phone and the form they make you sign is illegal. They must follow state guidelines and that form is illegal per the state. read more

***BEWARE*** Also known as "Redlands Movers". We hired them a few months ago to move our home 2.5 miles away! We called them and explained that we had a lot of stuff and would like them to come out and give a quote. They said they wouldn't do that. I was willing to pay for 8 guys to come out the first day, but when they showed up, only 6 came and they didn't even work a full day! They quit after just 5 hours! They were supposed to stack certain items in storage, instead they just literally threw items in and damaged so much it's unbelievable! We also have missing items that they are not willing to own up to. DO NOT HIRE THEM! They are the worst company out there! We wound up being forced to pay $6,000 to move a 4 bedroom home, some items in storage and the rest to our new 3 bedroom home, and both storage and new home under 3 miles away!!! read more

This company is amazing! The office was easy to work with and get our move scheduled. Chris and Jimmy were our movers and I cannot say enough wonderful things about them! They were on time, professional, and they did a great job! Moving is a stressful time and they helped make our move go smoothly! I would highly recommend them... we are so thankful to have had them there to help us transition into our new home! read more

****Dishonest.... Stay away***** We used Redlands Movers which along with Big Bear Moving is one of the three names this company uses..... I have never written a yelp review about anything in my life. I am generally a roll with the punches kind of person and not someone that complains about things. However, I feel the need to expose the type of company that flat out lies and does not take accountability. My family and I just moved in Redlands from one house to another. The total distance was literally .8 miles. There are a lot of things that I could complain about such as the losing parts to our bassinet, (which they did return with over an hour after they left our house), the breaking of jars which led to an entire box of goods to be thrown away and the reassembling of our toddler bed which now squeaks and cracks. This can all be chalked up to the experience of moving. However, what is inexcusable is the fact that they broke my $2,500 77 inch TV and refuse to take responsibility for this. My wife and myself were told that if they put the three TVs on the moving truck then they would not be held responsible for what happened to them. Then they told us that if they put them on my truck and removed them from my truck and brought them in the house then if anything happened to them, they would be held responsible for any damages that occurred. When I went to plug my 77 inch tv in to watch the basketball games on Wednesday night I could clearly see that the TV was damaged. I have attached the pictures to show everyone how damaged this TV was. When we contacted the company on Wednesday night they told us to call back Thursday morning and file a claim. When we called back Thursday morning we were blatantly lied to. The movers are claiming that they offered to box the TVs for us and that we refused. This is a FLAT OUT LIE. Who would not pay a few extra dollars to get three flat screen TVs boxed before they are moved in the bed of a truck???? The owners told us that they are not responsible because we refused boxes....That is without a doubt a dishonest statement. You know what they used as protection for the TVs??? Bed sheets. When we arrived at the new house, they did not remove the 3 flat screens out of the truck until after they had the first truck unloaded. I had to ask them to please do this because I am sure the 109 degree heat on that day was not good for flat screens on the bed of a truck. The owners gave us claim to fill out and basically told us that they are not responsible. I should have read more yelp reviews about this company before we chose to help. This is such a shady practice. It is completely dishonest. The movers NEVER offered us boxes for these TVs like the owners say they did. Like I said I have never written a yelp review before but I do not want to happen to others what has happened to me. read more

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Moving day was amazingly stress free due to Jason's and Cesar's being polite, efficient and quick to solve any issues that came up. I highly recommend BIG BEAR MOVING AND STORAGE, INC. /REDLANDS MOVING AND STORAGE, INC. Thank you for making the day pleasant, Jason and Cesar! read more

What a total scam!! They advertise they have had no claims, perfect record, great service! NOT TRUE!! They overbooked, then at the last minute changed dates on us telling us it would be at the very least two-weeks before our things would be loaded on another truck and delivered. This threw our entire move off as well as the start of a new job. Then, to "accommodate our frustration for the delay" they loaded all of our things in a very old, dilapidated truck with holes in the roof and drove it through massive rain storms. They guaranteed they could handle moving my $14,000 piano and snapped off one of the pedals before they got it out of the house. We could have dealt with all of this knowing and understanding that things happen, if only the moving company showed any kind of concern or willingness to back up their promises. It has now been 3 months since attempting to file a claim. No return phone calls, no payment for all of the water-soaked belongings, and absolutely no effort to resolve the repair of my piano. Yes, their quote was *reasonable*. The men who came to move us were wonderful, and the team that unloaded us was ok, although they made sure to leave the wet boxes as far back in the basement and on the bottom of the piles as possible. Since they didn't mention the wet boxes, it was several days before we discovered them. I absolutely would NOT recommend them to anyone for anything. They reel you in with sweet promises and fabrications, then, once they have your things, they are in total control. Not to mention you must pay half in cash when they arrive for pick up and the rest in CASH when they "deliver". CASH?? Really? They have completely perfected the art of scamming the public!! I only write this after repeated unanswered calls offering them the opportunity to make things right. Buyer beware of this one! I attach a small sampling of photos! read more

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Today we moved from Temecula to Running Springs! Thank you to Big Bear Moving for getting us moved into our mountain house! You guys made fast work loading and the were not intimidated by the 30+ stairs to our door step! We truly thank you for being the strong backs that got us moved to our dream house in the mountains!! Super friendly, we would definitely recommend Big Bear Moving to any one. read more

When I experience excellent service from a company I want to share it. My husband and I moved from California to Texas at the end of August. Big Bear Moving was the first company I called. I spoke with Debbie/Interstate Aministrator. She patiently informed me about the company and all the services provided. She then sent Peter/Interstate Estimator to inventory everything we were moving plus one of our cars. He also was vary patient and informative . I am so happy that I decided to go with them. We set a tentative date of the move as we needed a 52 foot truck (plus cab) . Debbie called me every week to see how our plans were and any questions I might have. Prior to our move, Debbie lined me up with her best driver Michael. He called us 2 days in advance and set their time of arrival. Michael and his outstanding crew were punctual, very professional, courteous, careful, and hard working. Michael kept us informed as to their time of arrival in Texas. Michael and his other outstanding crew met us at our destination and again we received the same great service unloading the truck. I have read and heard about nightmares people have had with moving companies. I am so thankful that I found Big Bear Movers. Thank You so much Debbie, Peter, and Michael and his crews for the OUTSTANDING SERVICE you provided for us!! I highly recommend your company as they don't come any better !! You made our move very smooth. read more