Quality clothing and excellent service! Worked with Jonathan to get a new pair of trousers and a polo. He was professional and helpful, even offering same day tailoring in store. Overall quality fabrics, classy designs, and exceptional service. read more

Not sure what the low reviews are about but we had an excellent time here at Suitsupply to pick out a new pair of slacks for my fiance. If it's your first time, note this is a full service location so it's not really mean to be a pick it yourself and call it a day. That being said, the representatives here were friendly and very helpful. My fiance spent a good amount of time trying on different sizes and the patience was definitely there. Love the look and feel of everything here, almost wish they did women's! The tailoring is done on the spot and they were able to make alterations for my fiance within 30mins, so it was highly convenient. The only downside is the paid parking, which seems pretty busy here and was about $7 for roughly 1.5 to 2 hours here. read more

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I walked in at 8:09, asked if I could simply try on a suit to see how it fits (I had called ahead and confirmed they had it in stock), I was told "no one will open up for you we are about to close", he checked the time and said "you walked in at 8:10 we close at 9" and that's it - no explanation why 50 minutes wasn't enough time to try on one suit lol. this was a bizarre experience. Go to another location, I've never been dismissed like this at Abbot Kinney or Newport. read more

Disappointing walk-in experience--couldn't try items without staff, unclear wait time, and poor demeanor I visited the store at UTC location as a walk-in customer and was told I was welcome to browse. However, I wasn't able to take items to the fitting room or even pull a jacket from the rack to try it on without assistance from a sales person. I understand the store may have policies for security and control, but the reality is that the store only had two sales associates, and both were occupied. When I asked when help would be available--whether it would be 15, 20, or 30 minutes--I was unable to get any clear answer. At that point, it felt unreasonable to expect customers to wait indefinitely without acknowledgement. To make matters worse, once I finally tried to take a jacket to try on after waiting about 29 minutes, the sales staff seemed irritated and almost angry, with a noticeably unfriendly demeanor. I wasn't asking for special treatment--I was simply trying to complete a basic purchase step that the store itself requires staff assistance for. Overall, this experience made me feel unwelcome and likely cost the company a potential sale. If the store expects customers to wait, it should provide clear timing and maintain a respectful, helpful attitude even when associates are busy. read more

I had such a great experience at SuitSupply, and Evan was absolutely amazing! He was friendly, knowledgeable, and incredibly helpful throughout the entire process. He took the time to understand exactly what I was looking for and made sure everything fit perfectly. Evan made the experience feel easy and enjoyable, and I really appreciated his attention to detail and professionalism. He went above and beyond to make sure I was happy with my purchase. I highly recommend asking for Evan if you visit SuitSupply, you'll be in great hands! read more

The store is larger than the Venice store so it offers a much broader selection as well as an on site tailor. That's a unique feature you don't see too often. You can get fitted and have your clothing in your possession and ready to wear same day. I worked with Shugee and she was an absolute doll. Knowledgeable, friendly, great taste and fun. She definitely made me her client. In terms of value I hear people say Suit Supply is costly, but I disagree. The fabrics are all made in Italy and are beautiful. I don't care where they're put together. If your clothing fits properly and is made of quality fabric, you'll look great. read more

This might be the strangest suit-shopping experience I've had I started with an associate named Jeff, who spoke to me like I knew absolutely nothing about clothes and was apparently on a personal mission to make everything as tight as humanly possible. I'm convinced his north star is a 2016 skinny suit. He kept taking it in tighter and tighter. At one point the pants were snug enough that I was mildly concerned for any future children when i tried squatting down. I was scared the pants may rip.. When I said this wasn't the fit I was going for, he just checked out. He hit me with the entire passive-aggressive retail playbook, "best of luck finding a suit," "let's not do it today," and my personal favorite, "I think this isn't the place for you," and then called the manager over to deal with me. This is a Suitsupply. In a mall. ok The manager he passed me off to, Zuly, was the one genuinely normal, decent interaction in the whole thing. She listened, she was respectful, she treated me like an actual customer. She's the reason this is two stars and not one. Even so, I left with nothing, because by then the whole thing was just weird. One honest heads up if you shop here: you don't get much say as a customer. It's their way or no way on the fit, take their look or leave it. The suits themselves are good and Zuly is great, but Jeff is stuck in a 2016 time capsule and a little strange with it. Ask for the manager, not Jeff. Unless you're going for that 2016 look, in which case Jeff may know best. read more

We were fortunate enough to be paired up with Matthew - he's a total pro and gave us an A+++ experience. He was not just incredibly knowledgeable, but he also brought a contagious energy and sense of humor that made the entire process fun and engaging. He offered valuable perspectives along with flexibility to make sure we left happy, which we certainly did! read more

If I could l leave a zero staff review , I would. My experience at the Century City Suitsupply location was incredibly disappointing and, frankly, one of the worst retail experiences I've had. The issue wasn't the 30-minute wait. I understand that stores get busy. The problem was what happened after I received a text message notifying me that an associate was ready to help me. I checked in with the team, but there appeared to be significant confusion about who was actually responsible for assisting me. As a result, no one helped me. I was left standing in the showroom holding merchandise, waiting for someone to take ownership of the interaction. Eventually, an associate who was already assisting another client offered to help me briefly. Unfortunately, he repeatedly provided incorrect information about the products I was asking about and seemed visibly bothered by my questions, despite having offered assistance. After a few minutes, he told me to continue looking around so he could return to helping another customer. What stood out most was the complete lack of process, ownership, and accountability. At no point did anyone acknowledge the confusion, apologize for the experience, or attempt to make things right. I have more than 15 years of leadership experience in luxury retail, so I fully understand that busy days, staffing challenges, and operational hiccups happen. What separates great brands from average ones is how they respond when those moments occur. In this case, the breakdown wasn't the wait itself--it was the absence of ownership and service recovery once the issue became apparent. For a brand that positions itself as a luxury retailer, the customer experience fell far short of even basic expectations. I've received more attentive, knowledgeable, and organized service at Zara and Aldo. I still spent nearly $1,000 during this visit and currently have another $1,000 worth of merchandise sitting in my online cart, but I'll be making those purchases online rather than returning to this location. Luxury isn't just about the product--it's about the experience. Unfortunately, this location delivered neither the service nor the professionalism that should accompany a premium brand. read more

I had the best experience with Jeff! He was super personable, friendly, and an absolute expert from start to finish. I really felt taken care of. I am so happy to have gotten my perfect wedding suit here. Jeff helped me tremendously. I could not have gotten a better experience with anyone else! Thank you so much! I have already referred a couple friends! read more

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I've been a loyal Suitsupply customer for years, but my recent experience has me questioning whether it's worth it anymore. Drove two hours in traffic to this location because it's the only one near me and I left empty-handed and incredibly frustrated. As soon as I walked in, I noticed the bald gentleman at the front desk getting yelled at by another customer. I actually felt bad for him... until it was my turn to check in. That sympathy evaporated fast. I explained that I'd driven quite a distance and had an important event coming up. His response? A rude "It'll be an hour and a half," followed by an eye roll and walking away mid-sentence. Still, I waited. For over an hour. Then, just when I expected to finally get some help, I received a notification from the store itself saying they couldn't help me today after all. So to recap: 4 hours of my day gone, gas wasted, no suit, no service, and zero accountability. This is not the Suitsupply I used to know. If this is the "new standard," I may be looking elsewhere for my formalwear. read more

Assistant manager not welcoming and very rude. Terrible customer service.....I was made to feel unwelcome and glared at.

I came here to write a review of my awful experience at Suitsupply and noticed how many bad reviews mention the "bald man" at the front -- and my bad experience comes from the same employee, who I believe is the store manager. I just wish I had read these reviews before I went! I tried calling Suitsupply multiple times about a week and a half before I came in, but as others mentioned, they don't pick up their phone. After trying and failing to reach them, I called the Venice location and they picked up -- I asked them some questions about the shopping experience, but no one ever said I needed to make an appointment. When I got to the store, the bald man greeted me and said there was a 30 minute wait to be seen and that I should have called to make an appointment. I told him I tried to call, but no one picked up. I have a puppy at home and told him I didn't have enough time to wait 30 minutes before beginning to shop and that I would go to Bloomingdale's instead. I really, really wish I had just done that. The bald man then said he'd help me (I wish I had known the he was the manager of the store and *not* a stylist, which I didn't find out until checkout). He rushed me the entire time. When he took me to the dressing room with a suit, he said "We'll get you out of here in record speed." I told him I'm not in a rush, that I just wasn't able to wait 30 minutes to begin shopping. Then he made a comment about how he's given me the cheapest suit, and I told him I wasn't looking for the cheapest suit, but for the right for me. Even with that, it was clear he was still rushing me and save me money at the expense of getting a suit that fit my personal style. I also don't think he had a good fashion sense at all. For instance, when I tried on the white undershirt for my suit he said it fit perfectly. I think asked "Uhm, aren't the arms too long?" And then he look at them and basically said "Oh yea," measured it and then said they would take about 7 inches off it. How did he not catch that and why was I the one telling him that I needed it hemmed to look good? Even when it came to the ties, he presented me with some options and one was a cool knit tie, but I've never tried one before. I said that I think I'd like it, but I want to see how it would look on me. Instead of offering to let me try it, he instead pushed a plain black tie on me. I really thought I'd get an experience where I'd get to see a few different suits to see what would work best for me, and have a fashionable stylist help me with picking out the perfect suit. Instead, I paid almost $1,200 for a suit that I'm not excited about and that I have no confidence will look good on me or that is the best suit I could have gotten there (because I have an event coming up, I don't have the ability to get a different suit for it). Going back through this experience in my head, there are so many times I should have just left and I blame myself for not leaving. And also, I reached out to customer support for help and they said my only option is to talk to the manager when I went to pickup the suit (even though I explicitly told customer support that I'm having the suit shipped to me). read more

Came here yesterday to look at some blazers I had checked out online. When I arrived a sales associate greeted me. I asked if I could look at a specific blazer I had saved online. He started to walk me back to the room with the suits but when I mentioned that I am probably just looking today and will come back and get fitted tomorrow he immediately stopped and said "if that's the case you can find the blazer yourself, it's probably somewhere around here" and he walked away. Incredibly off putting. I've bought three suits here but will likely never come back. There are many other places I can spend my money. read more

I came in to buy my boyfriend a suit for work and was looking for assistance. If you don't look wealthy or dress a certain way, expect to be ignored. Yes, I was probably wearing Crocs and an oversized sweater--but that shouldn't determine the level of service a customer receives. After trying to get help from several associates and being overlooked each time, I decided to leave. I ended up going to Hugo Boss instead, where the customer service was far more attentive and professional. read more

Lovely experience each time I have visited suit supply with my partner. Have purchased a suit and multiple shirts and ties that we are very pleased with. Matthew was very knowledgeable and thoughtful. We will be back! read more

The check-in staff is extremely condescending, especially the bald gentleman who comes across as entitled and dismissive. I came in to buy a suit and was told the wait would be about an hour and 45 minutes. By the time I walked over, they had already canceled my slot and pushed me back into the queue, telling me it would be another 30-45 minutes. It's now been over an hour and still nothing. This experience has been beyond frustrating. The staff is unhelpful, and what should have been a straightforward visit turned into a waste of time. I came ready to purchase 3-4 suits after hearing great things, but unfortunately, it's been a major disappointment. read more

As a longtime Suitsupply customer, I had many great experiences at another location. But ten minutes in the Century City store and I'm ready to ditch this brand completely. How useless is the staff there when you can stand in the middle of at least 8 employees and not one asks if you've been helped or need help. After 5-10 minutes of standing around, I walked next door to Bonobos and was helped immediately, tried on several sizes, picked what I needed, and was out the door - it probably took less time than I spent staring at myself in Suitsupply's mirror. read more

I'm a cisgender female who loves the way men's clothing fits and feels. I ended up with a great stylist, Maria! She made me feel comfortable and at ease. I've now gone to Maria for two different suites and will go back if/when I need another. Great service, great quality suites. read more

This is a review for Elliot at Suitsupply. He is kind, knowledgeable and professional. He guided my husband to a fantastic ensemble for our wedding. The suit, tie, and suede shoes were picked by Elliot. We were able to bring our large dog into the store, and the Suitsupply associates that she met were so nice to her. From the first fitting to the final fitting, Elliot always made sure we (my dog and I) were comfortable and having an enjoyable time during my husband's suit fitting. We cannot recommend Elliot highly enough, and look forward to working with him in the future! read more

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Service is great. Lenny is the best. Selection is great and so is value. I couldn't be happier with this place

On Friday 9/18/25 at 2pm I brought my son into the Century City CA store and worked with a salesperson Xavier to spend A LOT on two suits and two shirts. We were explicit from the very start that we needed at least one suit and shirt by Saturday 9/20 in the evening for an important family event Sunday. We were promised the whole purchase alterations would be complete by 6pm on Saturday 9/20. When we arrived at the store at 9pm on Saturday 9/20 we were told that nothing was completed, the items were offsite and would not be ready until Monday. We were misled, actually lied to, and the staff could not have cared less. I am beyond disappointed. Lying to a customer should never be acceptable. I could have pursued other options for alterations if I had been told the truth. Don't shop here. read more

Nobody at this store can answer the phone, nor can they figure out how to ship an order after it was incorrectly shipped to the store. The company's own customer service department can't even reach the store. These people are either so full of themselves or so incompetent to not realize that they haven't received calls in weeks. They received my shipment 2 weeks ago and still haven't sent it to my home as promised. Do not visit this store if you think you might need help after receiving your order. Worthless. The Bonobos next door has better suit colors anyway. read more

customer service was ok but the value of the suits are cheap quality . I spent 3100 on suits and each one of them split at the elbows . pure wool s110 smh . over 3K gone down the drain and I'm not interested in patching the elbows as it cheapens the suit. I can provide photos but , know I will never go back to this brand. I could've purchase a kenneth Cole reaction that would hold better than this. don't waste your money read more

SuitSupply is regularly compared to places like Indochino, Mens Warehouse, Bonobos, etc. Having shopped at MW and Bonobos in the past I decided to walk into Suitsupply to see what they could do to help me pick out a suit. Nothing fancy, a Navy blue suit, conservative fit, but flattering on my frame, which has been difficult to find off the rack before alterations (8" drop). After entering my information to receive a text about returning for a salesperson, i was invited to peruse the store. While walking, a short bald man hurriedly walks from behind me trying to squeeze between myself and the coat rack next to me. Once he realizes the direction i'm walking means he will be unable to fit between myself and the coat rack he calls out rudely, I simply say "oh my bad" and move out of his way but as he paces one tiny leg in front of the other he calls out saying something along the lines of "that'll happen when you mindlessly wander around" mind you I'm walking in a straight line, on the invitation from the other employees, and this man in his shiny sweaty mind is convinced his silent sprint is somehow obvious to everyone and anyone who does not bow out of the way is simply mindless? I walked out of the store and cancelled my appointment. talking to few other stores where I DID end up purchasing a suit, I inquired about the attitude of the employees at Suit Supply and reportedly its known by menswear employees across the mall that their whole business model is based on snarky shark-like attitude and they get enough business that they dont care who decides not to shop there. IF you on the off-chance are interested in purchasing a suit from Suit Supply I would HIGHLY recommend trying a different location, perhaps the location in Venice/Abbott Kinney before trying this one. Their toleration for rudeness within their employment is simply undeserving of good business. read more

This has to be the WORST customer service I've ever encountered. I've tried calling directly multiple times for 2 weeks and no answer or they just hang up. I would NOT recommend coming to this location. A nightmare!! read more

Walk in, wait to speak with someone. "I'd like to buy a suit." I know the model, color, and size. "You need to make an appointment. We'll text you in 30 mins." Come back and all the sales associates are meandering around. Show some urgency, people!! Basically serve myself. Eventually someone helps. He was attentive, to his credit. Alterations needs to be done. Come back two days later and it's 15 mins before the suit comes back from the basement. "We'll text you when it's ready." Worse, the guy says I can't try it on because there are no appointments. I'm like "WTF!? I don't need an appointment to try on the suit that should fit perfectly." While I'm waiting, I can see FOUR empty change rooms. 30 mins later, my suit finally arrives. I was going to walk across to J Crew to try it on but ended up walking into the Suit Supply change room. Long story short, this store thinks you have nothing better to do than spend multiple days in their store. Newsflash: I want a suit, then to get back to my life!!! What should've been a positive experience ended up being ruined by their ridiculous store policies. I will not be back. Hopefully the suit is at least good quality. read more

Unprofessional experience here - while looking through the shirts for my size a female sales assistant told me that I can't touch the shirts and have to ask for my size and "that's why their folded for a reason". Never in my life have I been told that I'm not allowed to touch a pile of folded shirts out on display. I have managed multiple chain retail stores throughout and know how to sort through a pile of sizes in a respectful, organized way. Highly disappointing experience read more

Nice store and I'm sure some competent advisers, however, the check-in personell is very condescending and unhelpful. Spending multiple thousand dollars for several custom-made suits and not being able to try them on upon pickup, but being told "there is people ahead of you" and it mint take 1 hour 45 minutes is reason to reconsider for my next shopping experience. Be warned!! read more

I love this store, Vlad helped me during rush hour yesterday. Really had a fun shopping. Love the style and the fit. I'll be back in a couple of weeks. Making an appointment is definitely the way to go. read more

I've never felt compelled to write a negative review however my experience at Suit Supply was truly terrible. I am getting married in June and was excited to try tuxedos. First of all they hound you with texts threatening a 15 minute grace period though when I arrived 5 min late my advisor was still working with another client. When my appointment began it was clear this was not going to be a good experience. Immediately you are aggressively sold the tuxedo package -- mind you I still haven't been asked ANY questions about what I am looking for as far as color, fit, fabric etc. It is literally like a suit factory where you are just a number and potential sale. It is truly disgusting. You would think they would try to make the experience enjoyable and exciting, especially for such a special event. Overall it was one of the worst shopping experiences I have ever had and the staff needs serious retraining on basic care for your customers. I couldn't wait to get out of there. I left feeling extremely anxious and disappointed. On the walk back to the car I stumbled upon Ralph Lauren and decided to just walk in. The experience at Ralph Lauren was a STARK contrast to the one I had at Suit Supply. I can never recommend Suit Supply and will absolutely never be back. Do NOT spend your money here. Shame on you Suit Supply. read more

We were able to find a belt and suit for my husband. Their store is large and has an underground storage so for a size they didn't have in store, they were able to locate from their storage. Every time we go to this location, we're able to find what we need. read more

Lol now one of suit supply's employees is bitching at me because I initiated a charge back. Real class act operation they've got going over there. Seems like a privacy violation first of all since only my bank and whoever runs suit supply finance knows I initiated a charge back. and second, why the hell would I not initiate a charge back? I paid for services, and they were never delivered, and what's worse is they literally lost my items. They ended up sending me a shirt that was the wrong size, and then sent me another that was the right size, but had a stain all over it. Still haven't received the merchandise I paid for. read more

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I like their ready-to-wear collection. I bought an outfit from them for my engagement photos, which received many compliments. So I opted for a custom-made tuxedo from them for my wedding. The entire experience was underwhelming. The process began online, where I meticulously selected preferences for the jacket and trousers and then saved them in my online shopping cart, hoping this would streamline the appointment. I booked an appointment with a highly recommended "style advisor," explicitly noting that it was for a custom tuxedo for my upcoming wedding. Upon my arrival, Justin, the style advisor, gave me a warm welcome. Despite his friendly demeanor, I found his frequent off-topic conversations with other employees about personal plans slightly detracting from the professionalism I expected, especially considering the occasion. Those types of conversations would be more appropriate when they're not with a client. I mentioned that I saved my preferences in my online shopping cart, hoping this would streamline things. As he began taking my measurements, I felt that he was unaware that I was ordering a custom tuxedo, and when I clarified this with him, his reaction confirmed my hunch. He appeared unaware I was ordering a custom tuxedo and quickly shifted gears. He took all of my measurements and entered them into a tablet. He then started asking me about my preferences, and I reminded him again that I saved them in my cart. Frustrated, I pulled it up on my phone and gave it to him to enter everything. He placed the order without asking any questions and told me it would arrive in a few weeks. When the tuxedo arrived, it required several adjustments, especially the trousers, which were extremely loose. Despite multiple fittings and alterations made by the store, the final fit of the trousers still fell short of my expectations. So I took them to another tailor who was able to alter them to my exact liking. This experience highlighted a limitation in the store's alteration capabilities, as explained by the manager of the tailor shop, suggesting that Suit Supply struggles to make more nuanced tailoring needs. In retrospect, while the quality of the tuxedo itself was good (but not great for what I paid), the overall service and fitting experience did not meet the high standards I expected. In my opinion, these "style advisors" are not true tailors, and are sales associates with minimal training in being a tailor. A skilled tailor will not only measure accurately but also consult on styles, fabrics, and details that will best complement the individual's physique and personal style. I won't be going back for custom pieces, but I'll definitely keep shopping their ready-to-wear collection. read more

My bf and I were SO grateful to find Suitsupply and to have Justin McWashington as our incredible stylist to help us make a custom linen suit for a warm wedding down in Mexico. Justin provided us with a highly bespoke experience from the start (along with a glass of champagne!) and Suitsupply was the only shop that had linen was a possibility in the middle of December after we called around to over a dozen local spots that didn't. The wedding was just days away, so Justin expertly measured and helped us select the perfect fabric in a quick and super fun appointment. Justin was also super sweet to expedite our order to have the suit made and delivered within just a few short days. When the suit arrived, we were absolutely THRILLED with what Justin had used his styling magic to help make and no additional adjustments were needed since the measuring was so spot on. Needless to say, the linen suit by Suitsupply/Justin was a huge hit and we've been recommending him to all of our friends since. There's no better duo to go to for any and all of your future suiting needs. 10/10 experience and thanks for being a rockstar of a stylist, Justin!!! read more

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Email theft!!! I came here to buy a jacket and was FORCED to check in by scanning their QR code and entering my info. This is all a scam so they can AUTOMATICALLY enroll you into their SPAM emails. Shady sneaky tactic. Must be owned by a circus...because they're a bunch of clowns. read more

The suitsupply chain is a market defining brand showing strong international growth, whose pioneering spirit generates new ideas into practice. They have ready to wear suits and customized ones, well to the point and personal, concurrently fast and effective, with tailors on site doing prompt alternations. The store is very neat and organized, and staff here are super friendly and helpful with suggestions, not just trying to push for sales. read more

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Price was no issue but I walked in and was immediately condescended for no reason as if I didn't belong. Fine I don't care I'm here to buy a suit not make friends. Seemed like the person helping me was new and didn't want to show me anything besides the simplest styles. Kept warning me that a different style might be more expensive I kept telling him I didn't care about the price. Basically wasted hours of my time and showed me 0 options. After 2 hours I just told him I'd take the only suit style he showed me in black and left. Really disappointed with the service and overall with my purchase. read more

Online I seen they had one coat left in the size and color I was looking for . Almost done with this white wedding checklist. Service was amazing thank you Schmind Marc! Everybody was so helpful and friendly definitely a five star business read more

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I've never written a negative review before, but my recent experience at Suitsupply's Century City store was frustrating enough that I feel the need to speak up. To be fair, my first visit was excellent. I bought a full suit, and the staff member who assisted me was professional, attentive, and helpful. That experience gave me trust in the brand -- which is why I came back again to purchase matching trousers. Unfortunately, everything went wrong the second time. * My email was misspelled when the order was entered, so I never received any shipping confirmation or tracking updates. * The apartment number I clearly provided (Apt 2804) was left out of the shipping address. In a building with over 600 units, this made it nearly impossible for the package to reach me. * Worst of all, the store never entered the shipping info into the system at all. I had no idea the item had even shipped. I only found out five days later, after repeatedly calling and pushing for answers. I was eventually told it was an internal oversight -- someone simply "forgot" to input it. * I was told over the phone that someone would follow up within three hours. No one ever contacted me. * Not once has anyone apologized. * And throughout, the staff kept blaming my building for the lost package -- as if omitting the apartment number and failing to record the shipment wasn't the actual issue. What disappoints me most isn't just the errors -- it's the lack of basic responsibility or professionalism in addressing them. The attitude I received was defensive, dismissive, and at times condescending. It's a real shame. The in-store experience when buying my suit was genuinely great -- but everything that came after, especially how problems were handled, made me question whether Suitsupply stands behind its own service standards. Great products are one thing. Standing by your customers when something goes wrong is another. And on that front, this store failed. To this day, I still haven't received any compensation or refund. read more