I ain't got no shame in my game! Babeland is one of those places where everyone is welcome no matter what your sexual palate is. Me and my gal have shopped at a few of their locations for products to have fun with in the bedroom. This one is well stocked with a friendly and informative staff. All types of things on the shelves to check out and explore. They even offer sex ed classes too. Leave your inhibitions at the door and have some fun. We all deserve it. read more

Babeland - Adult Shops Near Me - New York, New York

Great staff!!! Kind, helpful and accommodating. Let's face it--this kind of visit can be daunting without a great team. Highly recommend!!!

Worst customer service I have ever received. Made me feel like my business was unwanted and made me feel ashamed of who I am. I used to love going here. Maybe I caught the shop keeper on a bad day but they really didn't have To take it out on me. This is why local businesses fail terrible customer service. read more

Ugh not feeling this place at all. I got a bad vibe years ago and I decided to come back and it was pretty much the same bland non friendly half annoyed attitude. When I came in I was greeted my a person of smaller stature who informed me of the Covid rules and kindly gave me some hand sanitizer. I wasn't interested in touching anything nor wasting their time because I had a list. I was there on April 8th. One of the items was not sold at that location the other three were available but I decided on two. I was just annoyed when I couldn't hear the taller one so well. I said oh my ears are still adjusting to listening to someone wearing a mask. I don't want to mis gender but the taller person did this wind up motion with their hand as if to tell me to "wrap it up". I found that rude but let it roll off my back. I purchased my two items including batteries. The batteries i could have left since they did not come in a package. But I probably won't be back and I lost interest in visiting the other locations. One of the items I purchased was a cbd bath bomb which was great read more

There's no shame in my game. (I mean, have you read some of these reviews?) But despite the staff's refreshingly straightforward, wonderfully enthusiastic attitude toward sex (and at times, because of it), I still get slightly flustered during my Babeland experiences. Perhaps I'm not as indecent and vulgar as I had thought. As I listened to one of the salesgirls talk, I think I actually blushed. It's a bit embarrassing hearing someone who isn't another certain someone frankly speaking about one person's you-know-what, or maybe their whatchamacallit, or what that certain someone prefers, or is prone to when this occurs, or might do to another person at a specific time, or something that might happen at other times.* If you know what I mean. But I absolutely appreciated their attentiveness, and what sounded like familiarity with their products and knowledgeable recommendations. I certainly hope they know what they were talking about, because I was completely trusting; I took their advice, and I dropped some loot. I have no frame of reference about what anything in this place should cost, but I'll let you know how on point they were in a month.** And when I left, I confess that I skipped the meat shop on the way home rather than stop in, slightly mortified, with my bright pink, hey-I-just-bought-a-dozen-sextoys bag. Whatever, I'm considering vegetarianism anyway. Not really. __________ *Hey, my mom might read this. **Actually I won't; that's between me and my lady friend, and frankly, I think it's rude of you to ask. You pervert. read more

The best sex shops in the world shouldn't only carry your 16" neon pink dildo, titillating cock rings, solar powered G-spot stimulator (isn't everyone going green nowadays?) but also have -- A dildo vending machine. I like to take care of my needs in a very quick way. Sometimes you just wanna go in and out (TWSS!) and not talk to anybody. Imagine my disappointment when I came here and found out there was no such machine anymore. I almost cried. I got over it quickly, because there are no judgmental looks here at Babeland. The staff are more than capable of showing you how to use that thinga ma jiggy that goes in your you know what. A store by women for women, you can say its mostly geared toward the female clientele with the wide array of lubes, dildos, vibes, handcuffs and some whips. It's a smaller space than the SoHo location, but you can find something here to suit your needs. If you need protection, their condom selection is unreal. They have testers out so you can actually feel the material. I hear the "Maximus" is pretty popular. Um, really? LOL If your relationship needs spicing things up and good old whip cream ain't doing it for you (have you tried peanut butter?!?) they've got books, videos, fun instructional cards on hand. Personally, I'd recommend a mood enhancing candle and perhaps a massage oil to get things started. Your skin is built with thousands of receptors that responds to touch. Warm hands on bare skin is such an incredible turn on. If there's "friction" in your relationship -- try their Liquid Silk -- a paraben free, non tacky lubricant. It should be smooth sailing after that. If you're single/in a long distance relationship/your BF, BFF or FWB won't put out or you're simply the type who likes to do it yourself, get a B.O.B. (Battery Operated Boyfriend) , it's a win-win situation: it never gets tired, you don't need to feed it and it doesn't talk back! It's a bit pricey but you can play with the products here before making a decision. (dildos costs $40 and up) and how convenient is it that they also sell batteries here? One less stop on your way home! Thanks Babeland for making my NYC trip much more fun than normal! Now, I really know why this is the city that NEVER sleeps. read more

We wonder in here after a dinner in LES. This Babeland is a great place to look, touch, learn and shop for your first and next product of pleasure. The store is pleasantly layout, the assistant was friendly and knowledgeable. There is something for everyone and you won't feel uncomfortable shopping here! Only mature, open-minded (and curious) people need to patronized! read more

I've been to babeland a few times. It's definitely a fun place to be with lots of interesting things. Their layout is completely unique compared to other sex shops in the city. They have all of your average items, different lubes, and condoms. The sex toys at babe land are a bit scary to me... They are more modern almost futuristic here. I do love the massage oil candles here, they are really great for massages and the smells are wonderful. The staff here is always nice and you get ten percent off for checking in on yelp. However that doesn't help much. I think babeland is way over priced compared to other shops and the items they sell aren't any better or worse. read more

Babeland - Some of the toys. - Adult Shops Near Me - New York, New York

My girlfriend and I were in the market for some goods. We came in on a rainy night, we browsed a bit before being greeted by an employee. She asked us a few questions and gave us some demos on some items she thought would fit our needs. I noticed, she showed us the items that were more on the pricey side compared to the more affordable items. It even had gotten to the point she offered us 10% off because she said some of the pricing was a bit too high. The selection is alright but it depends what you're in the market for. We did leave with an item, not one the employee recommended. At the register they let you know how long the warranty is for your item and with a receipt they can exchange it in store. They also sell batteries for $1 each with no packaging which was a little odd. I've been to countless shops, I'd return him if my item needs to be exchanged but that's about it. read more

We really loved our experience at Babeland. Tracey, our salesperson, was knowledgeable, thoughtful and helpful, with recommendations and good answers to all questions. The sales associates definitely consider themselves as "sex educators" if folks need and want that kind of information, and they also can be laid back and just let you browse and make choices on your own. read more

A great selection and such kind and knowledgeable customer service!!! I had a ton of questions and was a little nervous and they made me feel right at home. They are also being extremely covid-conscious which I appreciate. This will be my go-to location for all my babe needs :) read more

Stopped here yesterday. Let me just tell you, they are very thoughtful of each guest. They do provide sanitizer. They only allow 2 guests in at a time. Also both employees, were very helpful and knowledgeable. The store is very organized and uber clean. read more

I like that they have really informative classes on varying pleasure topics for both men and women alike. Great variety of items in the store and the staff really are very knowledgeable and uber friendly! I don't think I've ever walked out of the store empty handed, seems I always seem to find something to purchase when I'm there. read more

I'm going to respectfully disagree with Babeland enthusiasts, and dissertate at length on a topic near and dear to my heart: masturbation. When I lost my virginity, I realized somewhere between enduring the agony of my own weight on his teenaged triton and being handed a Kleenex and my Paul Frank panties some six minutes later, that for whatever reason, curiosity had never picked up where sex ed left off. I knew, vaguely, what sex looked like, but of the actual mechanics I was woefully ignorant. I'd sort of assumed that the point of entry was, well, the *point*, and that all subsequent points - pregnancy, orgasm, true love - occur at this magical juncture. I was, needless to say, in store for a grave disappointment. D., to his credit, was meticulous about safe sex. The same, however, could not be said of his prowess in the physical or emotional realms, and I was pretty much left high and dry -literally- on both counts both that afternoon and for nine months of ensuing angst. Enter feisty best friend, and one, wild weekend in L.A. I returned with many souvenirs; among them, fatefully, my first vibrator: a demure, sparkly-blue-silicone G-spot starter collected, with giggles, from a low-brow Westwood smut-shop. With The Blue Baloo, as I affectionately dubbed it, I not only experienced the then-unknown, cryptic O for the first time, but the even more liberating pleasure of orgasms at my command. From that point forward, I was free! - free from the shackles of neatherparts-cottonmouth, premature ejaculation, straight-up fugliness. After the Blue Baloo sputtered out during my sophomore year of college, I made an annual gift to myself of a new vibrator, never spending more than $15. This year, I returned to New York after some time living in a bigger, badder metropolis in Asia. I'd evolved in mentality from a scrappy New Yorker living on instant noodles and in converted apartments, to a more materialistic urbanite. I wanted my vibrator to reflect this new taste for beautiful, expensive things. So I shunned the old WeVil smut holes I'd patronized in seasons past, and went to Babeland. Babeland is a high-brow rendering of low-brow subject matter, tastefully displaying the best-in-show sex toys (prices range from ~$18 - $200 for vibrators), and employing real connoisseurs of the field. After two trips and much deliberation, I walked out with the fairly basic, $25 Jenna Kitty Velvet Caress. As a pretty experienced consumer (if I do say so myself), the cost of a vibrator should be most directly tied to three specs: 1.The noise level. In the art of self-pleasure, discretion is key. I once owned a "massager" from the Sharper Image that sounded like a power drill. I'd feel too self conscious to use it during high-traffic hours in my shared apartment without turning on the tube. If you've ever tried masturbating to Arrested Development, you understand. In this, the Velvet Caress (and most of the other lower-end numbers I played with at Babeland) fails to measure up. 2.Battery efficiency. My favorite vibrator to date, California Exotic's smallish wonder, the Tsunami, brings this to a new level. Not only has it never, ever crapped out mid-motion, but I actually felt socially conscious using it. The button-dictated intensity levels on most of Babeland's fancy vibrators make them less customizable for use, and somewhat (I've found) less battery-efficient. 3.The actual quality of the orgasm. The idea that I'd been having ~$13 orgasms my whole life when there exist, claims Babeland, $180 orgasms, seems specious. I'm not sure I'll ever drop really big bucks for a vibrator, given that the cheaper ones procured in crasser WeVil establishments were really fantastic. The bottom line is that I'm a lot less fond of my grown-up classy vibrator. It, like most other grown-up, classy things, was more expensive, and underwhelming in terms of specs compared to materials beloved in younger years. read more

Oh goodie! I get to pay tribute to the establishment that deserves at least partial credit for saving my relationship. Here's where you should stop reading if you don't want to get to know me intimately. --------- Did you stop? STOP. It's for your own good. --------- Up until the birth of my LDR (long distance relationship) I was hopeless on my own. You know what I mean? I also thought sex shops were for people who needed to kinkify the act cuz their own appendages/orficices didn't suffice. What I didn't realize was that it broadens the world of OPTIONS. And oh what a magical world that is. Women are beautiful, women are complex, women have gajillions of ways to climax and we deserve to explore them all. Enter Babeland. This place is a veritable boutique of bedroom delights for all persuasions, most everything you can imagine, moving in all ways possible with one mighty goal: to make you explode. I was overwhelmed. I didn't know where to begin. So I just grabbed the first vibrating thing I saw. And soon I had palmed most of the displays. At first I was shy to ask how to use things but the staff was so earnest and helpful. I scanned books, videos, rubbed massage oil and bars on my hands, contemplated how certain harnesses were used, wondered what glass felt like. I must have circled the small space a dozen times. And then it dawned on me that these places, they are for US. No other party necessary. So no matter what a rocker shocker, two fingered wizard you are you'll definitely learn a trick or two here. Battery operated god, I am a believer. read more

Can't say enough! My salesperson was so knowable and helpful! Great store!! Wink wink !!

a sex-shop from and for women..brilliant. I buy all my toys here and lay in bed at night with them thinking about my yelp crushes read more

I have worked in this business. It was one of the most rewarding things I ever did. Like Babeland, formerly Toys in Babeland, my shops catered primarily to women, and furthermore, my shops were located in affluent suburbs of Washington, DC. If you think it's awkward for an NYC woman to buy a vibrator or a butt plug, try being a senator's wife. The best thing about sex is that it feels good when you do it. That said, imagine how sad it is when furthering the "feel good, do it" end is hampered by any one or more than one of the following: +bad lighting +careless or apathetic sales staff, if there are any +leering people of the same or opposite sex +tacky displays +inappropriate merchandising +nobody around who reminds you of YOU +lack of privacy +discomfort with the merchandise +lack of familiarity with the merchandise +dirty surroundings Then imagine how nice it would be to examine, ask and otherwise familiarize yourself with any product, much less one that is going in, on or around you, all in perfect comfort, in nonjudgemental surroundings, with people who are actually trained, and enthusiastic about the fact that you want to dress up like a dominatrix and whip someone. Consentually. It's heaven. Believe me, being on the sales end is heaven, too. It's depressing how many people have crappy sex lives when all they need is a little encouragement and support. Adding some life to people's bedrooms where and when it is needed is nothing short of fulfilling life's work, and I really recommend it if you're looking for a career change. Babeland strives to meet all of their customer's needs. You can try things out--touch them, taste them, see and smell them. Handling is encouraged. It looks like a penis--so what? Grab on and feel how it vibrates, imagine it in your bedroom and head to the cash register. No need to be embarrassed. They know what you're doing with it, and they do it too. Babeland also offers many classes, lectures and talks on various sex and sexuality-related topics. Some are a little titillating, but most are informational and informative, and are real gems for those people looking to become more knowledgeable about some of the more outre pastimes people pursue in private. The most important thing to take away from your visit here is to remember that you're NOT the only person in the world who wants to do **insert kinky or benign sex act here**. If you were, stores like this wouldn't exist, and that little rubber toy you're about to buy wouldn't come in 12 colors, including sparkle and glow in the dark. read more

Four stars: Star 1. Selection of condoms. If you can't find one you like here, I don't know what you want.* Star 2. Positively chipper sales people. On my last visit, I asked if they had one pretty little item in any colors other than the display. The sales girl practically bounced into the back to check for me. Then: "I brought up TWO of them in pink, and a red one, too! Aren't they cute!?" Star 3. No pretense and no shame. I mean, there shouldn't be in this day and age, especially in NYC, but that's not always the reality. I love it that I can walk in here, feed some guy's dog a Babeland biscuit, and converse with my friend across the room about vegan lubricant, all the while flipping through a book chapter on spanking, and sipping an iced coffee. Star 4. Clean and carefully laid out, with samples of pretty much everything available to play with. Minus a star for being somewhat pricey. And if you're into serious kink, you might find Babeland a bit Disney-like.** *Ok, ok, not that anyone really LIKES them. But you know what I mean. **Not yours truly. Ahem. read more

so, I wasn't good mood.. Aud and I walked through the street and found Babeland.. J: =====3 *poke* *poke* what's this? oh! look at this, Aud!! it's soft!! eeeh! those are too BIG! A: hee hee.. you are silly, Julie.. J: yes! I am!! A: hmmm, this book looks interesting.. it's educational.. my brother might like this.. J: what's that? oh! oh!! ohhhh~~~ @.@ A: Come, I have this! *pointed a whip stick with pink heart* J: what's it? eh? A: mine has a feather end.. J: oh ho! I need Michael to be here.. then I can slap his butt better.. A: hee hee, you are silly, Julie! J: YES! I AM!! =P A&J: hee hee hee happy ending............. read more

I have to agree with Fati, this place was kinda barren and I didn't see that much variation in the products. This didn't stop me from oohing and ahhing over some supplies and drawing up a neat little list. Do you think Santa will buy me sex toys if I'm nice this year? read more

Me: average 24yr old straight guy looking for birthday present for a girl Babeland: A store with a lot of dildos/sex toys that scared the shit outta me Me: overwhelmed, trying to find a tasteful and appropriate gift Babeland employee: perky and energetic girl who explained what's good and what she personally liked Me: thinking this girl has a dirty, dirty mouth (I know, I'm in a sex shop, but still). But she's helpful and I find something pretty cool for a gift. Babeland employee: also explains the lube selections to me Me (later that night): having good sex with my new babeland lube. Score read more

Owned by women & run by women. I had the best experience here! Octavia equally knowledgable as she was sensitive and quick to listen. She was interested in helping me rather than make a sale, which lead me to trust her feedback and eventually buy a product rather than save a couple bucks via an Amazon purchase. Funny how that happens... When I find a female positive business that values customers I'm very happy to support! Will be back... Thank you Octavia :) read more

Okay, we all know that Babeland is great. So I'm actually using this as an opportunity to give props to my new favorite vibrator which can be *purchased* at Babeland. Forget the rabbit, and the ergonomic trend in toys on the market. It's all about the Hummer! (note--at Babeland they call it The Hummingbird, but the package says Hummer). It's curvy. It's silvery. It's pearly. It does a thump-thump motion rather than just a bzzzzzz. It's under $30. The speed is adjustable. It's got a g-spot nub (which can also be used elsewhere). It's got a clit "pocket" (can't describe any other way). And it makes me so very happy. read more

I recently took my brother here to look for a cockring for his upcoming honeymoon. The staff here are very knowledgeable, and always willing to share helpful advice about their inventory. They'll answer questions like: "Does this anal invader butt plug come in seafoam green? I really want it to match my shoes. " Actually, I have no brother, have never been to Babeland, and have never wondered if butt plugs come in seafoam green. Nonetheless, I'm giving this place four stars, because I love the real reviews written by female yelpers. Let's just say, I find them very insightful (and funny too.) read more

This is probably the only sex shop where i can feel comfortable browsing. No raunchy stuff, no lascivious men, no teenyboppers giggling. The people who work here just mean to spread the righteous gospel of enjoyment. Can I get an Amen? Oh, and thanks, Babeland, for introducing me to the 8th wonder of the world, the Rabbit. read more

OK I've been holding off on reviewing here lest some friend finds my review and says "whoa, ew, didn't need to know!" All the toys here are selected by the women who own and run this shop, and they look for QUALITY. Everything is sturdy (haha), lasts (and lasts and lasts), and actually "feels" good in your hand (and other areas??). I like how the toys are all out in the open for you to pick up and see how they work. The display isn't all dirty or creepy, so you don't feel like a perv being in there. Most sex toy shops are fronts for porno video stores, so women don't feel welcome in those shops because odd looking men are coming in and out in a hurry. Here you feel welcome, and there are other women, couples, and savvy college-age women looking around for their next new friend. I also like how the sales ladies offer help and suggestions. ;) When I make my purchase here, they put my stuff into a cute blue Babeland bag with the +/- sign on the front. I feel savvy walking around with this bag, not at all ashamed! I love this place. Tips for guys: This isn't a pickup spot! Please don't give approving looks for whatever toy a girl is observing/admiring, thankyou!!! read more

Babeland is like my home away from home. Not only have i been going since i was a young lass, but when i walk through the door i feel all warm and fuzzy inside. It's one of the few places i can go and not feel "sized up" by my appearance. Nobody makes any assumptions about my sexuality or my predilections, and they deal with all my questions sincerely and without judgment. I've had some really great conversations with the fine folks who work there! As for their products, expect nothing but the best. Nothing gross that will ooze or melt or anything dangerous or sleazy (and i mean all these words in their negative not positive senses!). Novices will find the right things to initiate them, and veterans will continue to find new and exciting ways to get off. read more

Babeland takes the art of sexual pleasuring seriously! It is clean and not sleazy in this store at all. Cool. Truth be told...I dragged my boyfriend in here to see if he would turn pink....hmmm...I tried to peek at him a few times...no reaction...but then....was he hiding it?! I don't know. I even picked up some toys off the shelf and turned it on....still...no reaction....I pointed to some anal beads....okay...no reaction still. I think I was more shy and timid than him....hmmmmm.....experiment totally backfired on me! Fun though. read more

Very attentive.... Appreciated the Covid prevention techniques. Made sure we had everything we needed

Those of you who know me, know I like to get down. I like doin' it, talkin' about it, talkin' about when I'm going to do it, etc... That being said, my na$tiness does not require products of the plastic, battery-powered variety. Vibrators, dildos, flavored lube, crotchless latex panties just aren't my thing. What I can definitely get behind, though, is a well-organized and thoughtfully curated shoppe that doesn't have a fine layer of sticky film over every inch of surface area (unlike Minneapolis' Sexworld, my first contact with body fluids where body fluids should not be). I did manage to find a few products I'd spend my hard-earned money on: a stack of Sex Question cards to play with friends and/or lovers ("Describe your experience with threesomes," "What role does pornography play in your life?") and a badass pair of black leather handcuffs lined with fake fur and studded with metal rings. Maybe I can introduce a few products into my sex life after all... read more

After picking out a nice zine at Blue Stockings and eating a nice bit of vegan cake at Teany, I like to stroll over to Babeland and browse. Nothing more soothing to end the evening with than a happy, shiny sex shop that has clever little window displays, good books, and toys galore. I'm still not sure about the sex cone. Every time I go in, I poke at it a bit and try to understand, but honestly, I fail to see the appeal. Still, they carry a good selection of phthalate-free toys, which I appreciate for both aesthetic and health reasons. I do find them a bit expensive, so minus one star, but this is a good place to get a... ahem... feel for the toy you want so you can find it cheaper online. read more

It's cute in the "awww, it's geared towards women" way. I felt the store had a bit of a barren feel to it...I mean, compared to other adult stores that boast a plethora of things, this place lacked selection. The employees were definitely helpful & easy to approach...didn't make you feel like a jackass or creep. Prices were reasonable...found a couple of more high end things that other shops lacked. I'd definitely go back for a treat....or two...ha! read more

Celine Dion obviously does not buy toys for herself. I have tweaked some lyrics to be more suitable for twentysomething women of today. When I was young, I never needed anyone. And making love was just for fun. Those days are definitely not gone. All by myself-- Please let me be All by myself. [buzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz] Wonderful, helpful staff, unraunchy atmosphere, and of course, a vibe to suit every need. read more

I like Babeland. As a friend of mine once said, they are more "commercial". Meaning if you're looking for heavy duty bondage gear this isn't the shop for you. But I've always found the staff super friendly and helpful, and almost all of their vibrators are in working order when you come in so you can get a feel for how they'll function in the real world. They also have a great selection of lube (Sliquid is sold here, the hypo-allergenic kind no less). I like that they're in Hell Square, it's fun to drunk shop for sex toys, I think we can all agree on this. I've also never visited a reasonably priced sex shop in my life. Even Amazon charges an arm and a leg. You know what is real cheap though? Your hand. Just saying. ETA April 2016: If Octavia is there definitely chat with her, she's fantastic. read more

Since the passing of, ahem, a very dear possession of mine, I have toyed (ha) with the idea of getting another. I won't lie. I got butterflies while testing the multispeed settings. I'd add another star, but I've been ruined by the ginormous adult shops in Los Angeles. I will never be the same. read more

I love this place! If you are a beginner at playing with toys, Babeland is the first place you should go. They have a way of making you feel comfortable while asking the dumbest questions about sex and toys. Babeland is not like the little shops run by horny little men who are only concerned about what you will do with the toys after you purchase them. They even have demonstration classes! Nice! read more

What a cute little store? Can I find some cute clothes here? (my initial reaction when I spotted this place out on the store) Walked in.. OH I see this is what's all about. I have never seen an adult store with a such cute presentation. It doesn't make me feel uncomfortable of shopping here. The staff were very friendly and helpful. Adult dreamland. Officially one of my favorite store in the city! read more

Babeland? Or promised land? With practically a shrine to the king queen of packaging porn, Jimmy Jane, in the center of the store, and an amazingly clever little logo, Babeland, I heart you. You're just so good. read more

They get 5 stars, but I wish I could give them 4 1/2. As others have pointed out, both NYC locations of this well-known shop are the absolute go-to spots for buying high quality (but not always high-priced) sex toys. From a $15 dollar vibe to something much more expensive (the stainless steel Njoy line is a favorite) they have a consistently great selection. My beef with the store is that they almost overcompensate with the female-centric attitude. Of course, I would never trade them for the sleaze of most other locations in the city (not that I don't mind sleaze) but it is curious that more often than not the staff have been a little short with me--someone who for all intents & purposes must look just like a regular dude. When I've gone in with my ladyfriend the experiences have been much different: attentive, helpful. Alone, I've almost had to beg on several occasions to get someone to help me acquire something I've already decided on--info on selection, suggestions, or any sort of discussion whatsoever seem to be a total no go. I do not feel I am out of line with my disappointments. After all I'm pretty au courant on sex toys & health in general, so it's not a lack of knowledge or vocabulary that's hindering me. They do carry toys that are expressly for men, so it's not like this is a female-only store, & I am crashing the party. Overall, it seems this attitude pervades the SoHo location a bit more than the other one. Oh well, I'm still a loyal & repeat customer. Babeland totally rocks, but I still feel the need to add my take to the discussion. read more