This place barely makes four stars, but it's a fun atmosphere and they gave me free beer on my birthday, so I like them. They are fun for a bar to hang out it, but not a great place to go for food. They only have one vegetarian option and it's not good--veggie currywurst. Their beer is good and moderately priced. On your birthday they will give you a huge boot of beer for free. It's part of the Albany trifecta (Wolff's, Bombers and Olde English Pub). If you finish the free drinks from all three places you get a free t-shirt and it's kind of a big deal. The bar has free peanuts which you can crack and throw the shells on the floor. There are darts and big TV screens where they show soccer games. It's just the right amount of rowdy without being too crazy. read more

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Biergarten is definitely a regular in my rotation of Albany Bars. They have a good selection of German Beers as well as some more contemporary brews. They also have a full bar. They have some gimmicky stuff here, which I am a fan of personally. This is one of the stops on the birthday tour and you can get a giant boot filled with Spaten lager FOR FREE on your bday. They also have shot-ski's. Its a ski with shot glasses on it and you get your buddies together and do shots in unison. They also have some cork dart boards and shuffleboard. The space is very open and filled with big picnic tables. The tables and floors are littered with peanuts so if you're allergic bring your epi-pen. If you're not allergic feel free to throw peanuts on the floor, at your friends, into people's beers, etc. There's a garage door on the front of the building that frequently stays open in the warmer months. I haven't eaten here in a while but I have been for brunch and I remember enjoying it. Table service is a little weird, though. You have to order and pay at the food counter and the server gives you a number to take back to your seat. When your foods up they bring it over to you. Drinks are ordered separately at the bar. They throw some LIT parties at Biergarten. This place is definitely a soccer bar and during World Cup this place is off the wall. They also throw an Oktoberfest block party. Boot chugging contests are wild and I've seen a lot of vomit but its mad fun. read more

Great food .. nice bartender .. stopped for lunch .. enjoyed a delicious braut.. and cold brew .. would go back again. Loved the lights and flags ..delicious fries read more

Absolutely wonderful selection of beer. Great vibe. Friendly staff. Everything we tried was delicious but the chicken schnitzel sandwich and the soft pretzels are in a class of their own. read more

We recently stopped by for lunch and based on the reviews we all had some hope of a good old fashioned German meal. Unfortunately, the food was roundly awful, not just for me, but for everyone at the table. I decided to go with a classic, the wienerschnitzel. It came with red cabbage, spatzle, mashed potatoes, and a roll. I also got an order of the deep fried spicy pickles which became an absolute necessity the moment I saw it on the menu. The food came out quickly, served by a very friendly waitress. After 1 second though, I knew it was going to suck. First, the meat was way too thick for authentic wienerschnitzel. Wienerschnitzel is supposed to be thin, not 3 inches thick. Also, as I cut into the meat, the entire crust peeled off, as if they skipped coating the meat in flour and just used an egg wash and bread crumbs. After cutting 2 pieces, all of the breading had come off the meat. Finally, the meat quality was poor, and had a particularly tough texture and bitter aftertaste. Actually, everyone who got the schnitz had the same exact issue. Poor cooking technique? Crappy ingredients? Both? As for the other parts of the meal, the potatoes and fried pickles were pretty great, but the spatzle tasted old and the red cabbage was overly sweet and seemed to be poorly seasoned. I guess the sides were a bit of a draw. Others at the table were not thrilled with their food either. Someone got a moldy roll with their main. Nice QC guys! And one of the guys who requested a vegetarian plate got served brussel sprouts with bacon. All in all, the meal was pretty much a waste of time and money for everyone involved. Food aside, the atmosphere is pretty hectic and not very conducive for a pleasant afternoon meal, if that's what you're looking for. Wolff's is basically a non-descript sports bar characterized by a ridiculously loud noise level and TV's showing to random soccer matches. If you're into world soccer and just want a beer or two, this is a great place to catch a match. But for authentic German food and atmosphere, this place is a complete zero. read more

Super relaxed vibe. Good selection of lagers, pilsners, wheat biers and dopplebocks. If beer isn't for you, cider and wine is available. There are five large tv's here, so It's a great bar to watch sports especially soccer. The food is solid. I would recommended the fries, spaetzle and the brats. Notes: -Bad peanut allergy- maybe you should stay away. There are peanut shells decorating the tables and floors. -Credit cards? - No, it's cash only. There is an ATM located in the back. -Like Darts?- There are four darts boards to play with friends. -Party time?-On your birthday, get the boot and have a DD with you! read more

German style beer hall. It basically rocks. For awhile they only served beer and a few options for wine... but now a days they actually have a liquor selection with mixed drinks making this place appeal to even more people. So my first experience here... there are peanuts all over the tables and floors and people sharing great times... it was awesome. They have a really fantastic menu of food choices which are filling and affordable. Their beer selection is of course amazing and I highly recommend this place to just about anyone. if you want to come with kids or for a softer night, just come earlier and it is a very welcoming and easy going atmosphere... then later at night and on weekends it can start to fill with the college crowds and be a just a great experience for those looking for that. I come here often and love the staff and bartenders as well... great people who are knowledgeable and friendly. Try this place out sometime! read more

Wolff's Biergarten - Enjoying the evening - German Near Me - Albany, New York

Ahhhh I am so happy I found this gem in the Albany area!! Biergarten has a nice chill vibe, with plenty of beers to choose from as well as some house cocktails. The grapefruit-vodka variation that I tried was great. Biergarten also has lots of TVs. there are lights strung along the ceiling, darts in the back, and a fake tree or two for ambience. Bartenders were nice enough, and we had plenty of room at various tables to sit down and take a load off. Shotskis (where three people place shots in holder on the ski and drink together... perfect team bonding experience!) were $6 per shot. Throwback to college days. For those REALLY looking to exercise some competitive muscles, you can chug DAS BOOT and see how fast you can chug 2 liters. Definitely coming back to watch some soccer. Would recommend for groups. read more

What a little summer oasis on such a hot summer night. Went with another couple on what felt like the hottest day of the year. We were a little apprehensive about it since it was indoor/outdoor and no AC, but with the ceiling fans blowing it was more than comfortable. I gave this place 5 stars because I love the relaxed atmosphere, very laid back. Eat your peanuts, throw the shells on the floor-literally. But the glam it up with beautiful lighting fixtures, warm woods, TVs with world arm wrestling championships playing in the background, dart boards, and large tables perfect for groups of your closest friends. Food is definitely worth mentioning. Schnitzelwich was a little slice of sandwich heaven. Crunchy, flavorful, major winner. Fried pickles, absolutely a must if you like pickles. The fries were phenomenal, greasy but crispy and crunchy. The bacon and Brussels sprouts were actually quite good, though a little salty but cooked perfectly. The only miss was the loaded pig which I would skip. Cheese tasted fake, onion topping was salty, bread was unimpressive. Service is minimal here. You go to the food counter to order food and the bar to order drinks. They'll bring the food to your table. All in all a great experience. I'll be back for more fried food in the near future. read more

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Love this place!! It is an old abandoned firehouse restored to be a biergarten. The beer selection is divine (except no Krombacher, WHAAA!!! :[ ) But I tried the Warsteiner and the Spaten, delicious. The prices are really good for imported beers ($4 for 12 oz, $6 for 16 oz...etc). They've also got a 72 oz boot. My sisters boyfriend got it (you must pay cash), It's $22, but you also have to put down a deposit on it as well. That way you don't steal or break the boot. Forewarned: Wear good shoes, the floor is draped in peanut shells. I was eating peanuts until I found a piece of chicken on a toothpick in the basket. Uh no, ew. But that's more of disgusting patrons thing than the bar can handle. We also ordered the spaetzle, fried pickles, and loaded fries. Yum, yum, and YUM. I had always wanted to try spaetzle and am happy I did, the dipping sauce was delicious but I would've loved if the spaetzle had a crunch to it. Overall a great experience. (Plus they had soccer on tv. Thank the lords!) read more

Wolffs is pretty much what you want in a German beer hall. Its big, has plenty of communal tables, liters of beer, and sausages. They also have huge bins of peanuts everywhere which you can eat and then discard the shells on the floor. Definitely not a good idea to come here if you have an allergy. Wolffs mostly sticks to German beer, but they have some concessions to American tastes so you can bring pretty much anyone here and maybe watch them struggle through a liter of a 7% abv IPA. Its cash only, which can be annoying, but probably helps keep it from being overrun with students. read more

The atmosphere is pretty chill. They have beer and hard cider sold in liters. The food is OK, I don't think I would eat dinner there but for drunk food it's not bad. It can get pretty packed so be ready to stand. They also have darts in the back. NOTE: it is cash only!! There is an ATM in the back, but just be aware. read more

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Schlelich, Ich habbe gemacht einen Fahrt auf der Wolff's Biergarten, die mostische grossen Restaurant von Wurstisches und Bieren yummischaften en den grander Capital District (CRUST). Ist meine Gebrustag! Ich liebe das Currywurst, und zie peanutschellen unter das footenfahrtengestrang ist zie mostisches funnen den zie welt! Die Sprossen auf Brussels, das gebraten Gurken, alle so so delicioungebruckenhamyummiliciousstein! Becausischen ist meine Gebrustrag, der Mann der Bartendenkeepen thinksichen sie Ich, in meien Alter forgeschritten, kanst trinken einen GROSSES "BOOT" von Bier auf siebsig ouncen! VAS?!?! ICH KANST NICH!! ICH BIN ZU ALT! Die fuddydudden Curmudgeonisches kanst nich trinken so viel BIER!! HA HA HA! Kein T-shirt fur mich!! Wie schade. Translation courtesy of Google: Schlelich, I habbe made a trip on the Wolff's Biergarten, which mostische large restaurant of Wurstisches and beers yummischaften en the grander Capital District (CRUST). Is my Gebrustag! I love the sausage, and zie peanutschellen under the foot ride is tight strand zie zie mostisches funnen the world! The sprouts to Brussels, the fried pickles, all so as delicioungebruckenhamyummiliciousstein! Becausischen is my Gebrustrag, the man of the beard end Keepen they think I Sichen, forge steps in meien age, canst drink a big "BOOT" of beer on ouncen siebsig! VAS?!?! I canst NOT interested !! I'M TOO OLD! The fuddydudden Curmudgeonisches kanst nich drink so much beer !! HA HA HA! No T-shirt for me !! What a pity. read more

We'll start with the highlight of this Biergarten - The beer! An amazing selection - I'm slowly making my way through the extensive menu, but I always have to get a Franziskaner when I visit. It literally tastes like October (or autumn for that matter). Go on your birthday and get das boot! The food - Since my grandmother would probably throw sauerkraut at me if I spoke too highly of any German food besides her own, I'll say it's JUST good. I ordered the bratwurst plate, my companion had the knockwurst plate, and we ordered potato pancakes to share with the table. Lets see, the sauerkraut was really delicious, the bratwurst and the knockwurst were both really good (especially with a little spicy mustard). They had nice crunch on the skin and really good flavoring. The one thing that was a slight disappointment was the german mashed potatoes. They needed some more seasoning and more onion and bacon (you can never have too much bacon!) What I could have done without on this wurst plate was the roll. If you're not going to have a good roll with a crusty outside and a nice soft inside then don't bother putting it on my plate! :) The potato pancakes were okay. A little bit greasy for my liking but when loaded up with apple sauce and sour cream they were quite yummy. To sum up the rest: the biergarten is not fancy (it's picnic style seating), there is no waitstaff (you go up to a food counter to order and pay for your food), CASH ONLY, there are peanuts everywhere, and the bathrooms are pretty clean. It's a fun place to have a drink with friends or get a bite of German food to eat. read more

Wolff's Biergarten - Potato pancakes - German Near Me - Albany, New York

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I have to admit I would enjoy a few more German food and beer options but I can't deny the the experience being terrific for a group of friends who want to party and have a blast. You are likely to begin chatting it up with other parties around you as if everyone there is a friend looking to feast and say cheers every 45. Seconds. Hope you are not allergic to peanuts though xD read more

Good food. Good beer. Lots of peanuts to eat and hot dudes to look at. I want to go back on my birthday for the boot.

Look, I'm not an Albany local - I'm just a passerby but I think that Nat B is ... pretty dead on about the biergarten. It seems more true to the theme than any other biergarten in Manhattan (although zum schneider has a great atmosphere when it's not just overflowing with people). The decor may not be authentic but it's really well done and I think well laid out. Despite it being pretty crowded (again I have NO idea what it's like usually - I was there on a Friday night) it was easy to navigate and pretty easy to grab a couple seats. We switched seats 4 times for some reason and it was pretty easy to relocate. The foot was ... ok but heck, at least it serves german food at a biergarten right? The currywurst just seemed like a large hot dog and needed the sauce for flavor but the potato pancakes were ok ($1 to substitute for the fries) and with the peanuts, it was plenty for what we needed. Had a few brews, watched some baseball, chatted it up with some people we happened to be seated next to and had a good time. * the boot is free (with deposit) on your birthday! (mental note) read more

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Went in only for a few drinks a couple times now. Really enjoy this place. Never had any food, this is a bar only review. Likes- Beer Selection Atmosphere- Benches, lights, music, all of it Dislikes- A bit loud on occasion read more

Went here for my boyfriends birthday because of the Free boot of beer. A few things were GREAT about this place and a few bugged me about this place. Pros - You legit get a HUGE boot of beer for free (technically) if it's your birthday which is super cool! -The place was casual, bench style seating where you throw your peanut shells on the floor. -The food was pretty good. The Mac n cheese was seriously delicious! I'd get that again for sure! Cons - It's cash only. I didn't know that when we showed up and had to go to the ATM in the back of the joint and pay the fee to get cash out. Seriously annoying. -You have to put a $40 deposit down on your "free" boot of beer. Now, you get it back when you turn your boot in when you finish it. But .... what if you don't have $40 extra dollars (cash) just lying around? Again, super annoying. All in all, I'd go back. The food was reasonably priced and pretty yummy. But with the cash only policy, and it being way out in BFE (for me) ... it wouldn't be anytime soon. read more

Great feel, love the atmosphere and some of the best bratwurst and burgers you can ever taste. If there was ever a place to get good food with a good drinks and good friends this is it. read more

Wolff's Biergarten - This called the wurst and side You chose wat side you want with your choice of wurst This is a bratwurst on a bed of brussels,bacon&leeks - German Near Me - Albany, New York

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Wolffs is a great local bar that caters to the local soccer-watching community. They have a happy hour special from 4-7pm on Fridays where you get 1 L for the price of 1/2 liter, but be advised that they will only charge you the discounted price for the first beer. After that they apparently hope you don't ask for a receipt, even if you order within the happy hour timeframe. read more

We take friends there on birthdays to get the free beer boot. Decent atmosphere to have a few drinks outside if you don't mind rude hipster bartenders. Total jerks at every encounter. Same problem in Schenectady. And don't even bother with the terrible food. read more

Great open space filled with peanut husks and kielbasa. The German themed bar is a nice pit stop on a night out. They have a good variety of appropriately themed beers and in the summers the front of the bar is completely open to the street. They tend to have a block party during Oktoberfest which is another plus if you are looking for new excuses to drink a lot of beer. My personal favorite of their beers is their, "fransezkahner" Hefeweizen which is a rich, sweeter brew that is great for the Summertime. Beirgarten is owned by the same people that run the Old English and Bombers and as such are part of the, "birthday trinity special". This special, simply put, is to drink, a lot, on your birthday. The Biergarten is a giant glass boot, the old English a giant teacup full of alcoholic cider, and a huge margarita for Bombers. Drink all three in a single night and you get a t shirt... And probably a new liver. My biggest gripe with this place is that they only take cash. They have an atm but it charges a fee and you have to dodge a hail of darts to get there. read more

Wolff's Biergarten - Entrance. - German Near Me - Albany, New York

If there is any place in the Albany area that you will regularly find major soccer games on the TVs this is the place. It gets busy even early in the day for big games. It's definitely a great atmosphere for soccer fans. I have come here with my kids during the lunch hours and they had a great time. The bartenders even put their ginger ale in big beer mugs. After hours, the place definitely functions more like a traditional bar around here. They card at the door and they only accept cash. The bartenders are nice enough and are pretty efficient even when the place is packed. The beer selection is pretty good, primarily focusing on German and other European beers. They also have mixed drinks and hard cider. I usually get a large Optimator or 2 (or more) when I come here. For food I usually end up getting the potato pancakes with sour cream and apple sauce and have never been disappointed. Also don't forget to come here (with some friends) for your birthday and get a big boot filled with beer. The decor is really kitschy, but it is definitely integral to the experience here. The tables are also first come first serve, so if you have a large party you may have to either wait for one to open up or share with someone. Overall, this is a solid bar that delivers a reliable experience every time. read more

BEER , BEER and MORE BEER. Do not expect to walk in and not step on peanut shells. There are shells all over the floor due to the complimentary peanuts at every table. It's actually quite fun not having to worry about making a mess. The atmosphere is great in all the locations. This is a great place for large parties to hang out and have a nice tasting beer. Prices are excellent and whether or not it's summertime or winter time you will have a good time! There are some food items that they do have to eat with your beer if you need a snack! We always find ourselves meeting up with friends here whether it's to start out the night or end the night or or to do some day drinking here! OH AND IF IT IS YOUR BIRTHDAY, you can drink out of the 64oz BOOT! Cheers! read more

It's not authentic, aside from the bier. The food is ok, and pairs nicely with the drinking. (Pommes frites are beer battered, and the Aoli is really light on the garlic and tastes like store bought.And I wouldn't expect to see either of these in a traditional Biergarten.) I like that the bier come in "Large, extra large, ohmygod, and boot." All that said, it's a great place for seeing friends, and watching people with birthdays or bridal showers come and get scruffy. read more

Love this place, not much their food (except their speciality brats/brunch) love the atmosphere, background music, cheering soccer fan on game days, primer league, la liga, uefa, champions league, World Cup, you name it. soccer games screened here over 5 different TVs, darts, bar, stools, dinning tables for large groups and lots of peanuts to eat. If you happen to see peanuts shells all over the floor, that's not mess or dirty, that's how you keep the tables and bar top clean of the peanuts lol. I am a fan. Bring your friends and enjoy the beer garden read more

Wolff's Biergarten - My friend enjoys her drinks - German Near Me - Albany, New York

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This place is pretty interesting, though it's in a very commercial area that's absolutely dead in the evening. Once you're here, you can't really wander off anywhere else without getting in a car. A large variety of draught beer is available in .3, .5, and 1 litre glasses. The prices are very reasonable. I think the half litre was only about $4 or $5. A 2 litre "boot" is also available, but the price wasn't posted. Apparently you can have a free boot on your birthday and sharing with your friends is allowed. The bar and the food areas are separated. You can't order food at the bar, and you can't get beer at the food area. Seating is a free-for-all. I had a couple franziskaners and a bratwurst plate while I was here. Various sausages are available at the food area, among other things. When you get a sausage plate, you're given two sausages of your choice with sauerkraut, some potatoes, and a roll. The food is quite good and filling for the price. read more

Wolff's Biergarten - Knockwurst plate - German Near Me - Albany, New York

Excellent selection of imported German beers, including Reissdorf Kölsch! Owner was great and the food is some of the best that I've had outside of Germany. Definitely worth a visit! read more

Not too shabby. Great German beer! I had the chicken and waffles and theynwere so good. read more

Wolff's Biergarten - Cozy and beerfull. - German Near Me - Albany, New York

This place seems to be busy every night of the week. The atmosphere is great for a German pub - I like the cash system they have with the food as well. Authentic German and Belgian beer to be found on tap for Very reasonable prices as I am well aware of how much this stuff costs in bottles. Schnitzel is average in my experience, but then again I've never had mind blowing schnitzel. They serve strong European beer in a 64oz glass boot. Peanut shells are to be thrown onto the floor. Nuff said. Update: had mind blowing schnitzel. I still like Wolff's though. read more

Wolff's Biergarten - Oct 21, 2012 - German Near Me - Albany, New York

We came here for drinks last night after work and I was excited to go because I had never been here. I'll cut to the chase. Drinks are fine. My gripe was with the food. The "Bavarian style pretzel" sounded good but let me tell you that name is a streeeeeeeetch. I watched as the bartender opened the mini fridge behind the bar and pull out a small premade soft pretzel with his bare hand and place it in the toaster. But he forgot something so he took it off with his bare hand and sprayed it with some kind of oil or butter from an aerosol can. He then placed it back in the toaster with his bare hand and told me it would be a minute. When it was done "toasting" he took it out with his bare hand and sprinkled some salt on it with his bare hand and served it to me with a Guldens mustard packet. See a trend here? Now, I know it was a Tuesday night and I knew not to expect a world class meal, but there absolutely no excuse for unsanitary food handling, especially during covid. Like, how much is a box of food handling gloves? Or pair of tongs at the very least. So anyway, I get back to my seat and tell my gf not to eat it. One of the other people we met out decided she would eat it. She said it was cool in the middle and it was dry like it was freezer burnt. So cheap and lazy! Like I said, the beer was fine but I won't be ordering food from here anymore. Quite frankly it makes me wonder about the cleanliness of the rest of their processes. Are the glasses that I'm putting my mouth on clean? Are the taps clean? If you can't handle a pretzel, I have doubts about the other things. Do better, Wolff's.. read more

Cool place. Brat and boar were pretty good as was the slaw and sauerkraut. Being cash only is stupid and did not recall seeing any notice. read more

Wolff's Biergarten - Brat and wild boar. Good stuff. - German Near Me - Albany, New York

This place is not to be missed! We had so much fun we made it a point to come back. They have a great selection of beer . The atmosphere is light and fun. There are games including shuffle board, ping pong, and darts! There are lots of peanuts on the tables to make a glorious mess. It's just a really light and fun environment all around. Two thumbs way up! read more

Yeahhh not so good. Its not a Biergarten in the traditional sense and the peanut shells on the floor make it a cheap roadhouse. Young people meeting or getting drunk maybe its hip... read more

Excellent hangout place - classic themed pub and THEY HAVE GROUNDNUTS. I tried the Cola-Weizen (Franziskaner Hefeweizen & Cola Syrup) cocktail as a first attempt to taste beer (yeah, not a beer guy) with my friends drinking the normal Franziskaner Hefeweizen and giving me that look of disappointment. read more

I loved Wolfe's, but not serving food is a reason I won't come back. Please open the kitchen so I have a reason for bring my wife and friends back. We were almost weekly customers. Many places are serving food and you would get more customers back if you did! read more

Reminds me of bars in Berlin, Germany when I was stationed overseas in the army. Its got Franzikaner my fav on tap and other German beers. Setup with picnic tables, peanuts and soccer on the TVs. Get your brats and currywurst but not as good as the original from the Heimat. Its a cash place so bring the geld. No brainer. Great place to go. read more

Wolff's Biergarten - German Near Me - Albany, New York

This place was very crowded for a Monday night! I spotted it on my way by and returned for that reason. Figured it must be a good spot. You could hear the people from across and down the street. The front was open and I was a little put off by the gross bucket of cigs and the amount of people lighting up outside but started for the door anyhow. Friends have said I don't keep an open-mind so I wanted to at least try it. The door said "CASH ONLY" which surprised me, I've only seen a couple cash only places ever. It did also say "ATM INSIDE" that way you can pay the fees and they don't have to pay the credit card companies fees. I walked in, I walked out. There was no real floor just wood, picnic tables for seats and I felt like I'd walked in on a frat party. I guess this place is good if you like beer and a loud crowd, but I wouldn't and couldn't even sit down there. My dress would have been ruined or I at least would have gotten a splinter or two on my bum :/ My friend said "well, I think they're going for the whole Oktoberfest theme" which is fine. They got it, I think. But there's a reason that only happens once a year. If you're a guy who likes beer and doesn't mind parkin' your rear on a picnic table amongst other beer loving guys, you'll fit right in. If you're a girl, wear some jeans and a t-shirt. read more

Here is my confession: I am not an avid beer drinker. So I will not be reviewing Wolff's from the perspective of a beer connoisseur. I am, however, an avid sausage eater (take that as you will, pervs). Gotta love a place that puts meat right on the bottom of the food pyramid. If you are on a strict diet, stay away! There's nothing for you here! The portions are huge and there's about two days worth of calories in every meal. But that's what makes it so tasty! I've had the armer ritter for brunch, which is "two biscuits soaked in egg milk, fried and served with syrup and slices of bacon, sprinkled with cinnamon, sugar and nutmeg" Mmmm. I've also had many of their sausage offerings, as well as their mac & cheese. All very good. So why doesn't Wolff's get a 4? Well, I'm not too keen on the atmosphere. I can barely hear the person sitting next to me. When it gets crowded and there's peanut shells all over the floor, it gets kind of hard to maneuver around. Also, my tummy never quite feels right after eating there, even though the food is good. So in conclusion, I'm open to going to Wolff's to meet up with friends, but I never actively seek it out. I'm sure my hips are thankful for that. read more