Amazing mystery no labeled soup for $6! Celery and maybe curry and turmeric with chicken and I added organic ginger root slices to cure my cold and it worked! They didn't have any fresh or packaged ginseng but that's hard to find anywhere in Indy. Nice workers always willing to help and clean and spacious store. read more

I love some of the variety of items that they carry in the store but especially have to admit I love being able to grind my own peanut butter! We always find quite a few sale items especially on vegetables and fruits which are a big portion of our food budget. We also appreciate that they have a lot of alternative options for vegans and others which means you can find almost any unusual ingredients within the store. Plus they have a lot of fun treats as you wander the aisles to pick out other new food items! The story is definitely on our rotation especially when baking or cooking something vegan. read more

For a health food market, they have a really wide variety of high-quality products -- I'm able to complete my whole shopping trip here. The store, while small, feels spacious and uncrowded, easy to navigate, and sensible in layout. The staff are all friendly and helpful. The meats are all sustainable. Most products are organic. Many products are locally-sourced. All products are priced reasonably and affordable. THE PRODUCE SECTION IS EPIC. I gave up shopping at Kroger because they had poor quality and limited selection, and it always looked picked over. Root veggies were rotten in the middle, withered, old. Fresh Thyme has many hard to find things: Lacinato kale. Dandelion greens. Chayote squash. Hen-of-the-woods mushrooms. Multiple varieties of peppers. I cook with a lot of varied vegetables; dishes from around the world. Fresh Thyme makes that easy. The app is... meh. But Fresh Thyme will deliver groceries shopped for online. While the substitutions have been somewhat hit-or-miss, I'm housebound, waiting for a new hip, so this has been incredibly helpful. The shoppers have also been universally communicative and friendly. As long as I live in Indy, Fresh Thyme has my loyalty. read more

If I lived inGreenwood I would shop here weekly. Now I just stop in whenever I am in nearby. They have great produce sales but the prices of everything else in the store are just a little higher than other stores. I always just buy random stuff that I can't get or don't see at other stores. They have a great selection of gluten free bakery items and organic products. read more

Fresh Thyme Market - Not sure why every store doesn't do this to keep the car corral tidy - Grocery Near Me - Indianapolis, Indiana

Conveniently located right by work, this is my go to spot to grab a quick lunch, last minute grocery, or dinner! This store is always clean, organized, and has friendly staff! Highlights: -Deli guys have great recipe recommendations -$5 sushi Thursday's -samples throughout the store -$5 made to order sandwiches -big parking lot -competitive prices -large salad bar -carry Boar's Head meats -quick check out lines! As far as grocery stores go, I recommend! read more

Fresh Thyme is my favorite store to go grocery shopping at. I love that I can take the entire family and everyone enjoys themselves. My kids favorite part about the market is their little farm market stand for the kids. There each kids can pick one food item to enjoy while walking through the store. Any parent out there knows that if the kids are entertained then mama is happy! I've been to a few different locations and at each location the staff members have been so pleasant and helpful. For those looking to get the most for their money may I suggest to checknout their "Barnyard Burner" specials. You will see those sale signs posted throughout the store. Also check out their newspaper ads for the weekly sale specials. Seriously my FAVORITE market to shop at! read more

Our family loves Fresh Thyme! They offer such great sales on both meat and produce. They offer a wide variety of organic, gluten free and natural foods. You can hand press your own peanut butter which is so amazing. Nice meat counter selection! The meat counter bacon is great! This location offers Boars Head lunch meat and cheeses! They do offer a small selection of beer & wine. Restrooms are clean! Staff is always nice and knowledgeable. Lines are never horribly long. How cool is it that they offer kiddos a healthy snack during every visit. read more

Fresh Thyme Market - Fresh Thyme kiddo snack bin! - Grocery Near Me - Indianapolis, Indiana

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It is a large food store offering a lot of fresh produce, grocery items, and healthy supplements. Clean and well-stocked, it is a nice place for shopping. The staff is friendly and helpful. It has a great selection of vitamins and herbal things. For those conscious of their health, they have fresh produce and organic produce as well. The meat and seafood sections have many choices but not a lot to choose from. I have a chance to visit their stores at many locations and every time our shopping experience was wonderful. The prices are a bit high. Be alerted to fetch good discounts on many items particularly on shrimps offered periodically. Items on sale go quickly with no more expected soon. I highly recommend visiting this store for convenient and clean shopping. read more

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Every time we get a decent rain the parking lot floods in front of the entrance. It's like a small rushing river you can't avoid. read more

Fresh Thyme Market - Grocery Near Me - Indianapolis, Indiana

They have amazing produce which really isn't more expensive than traditional grocery stores. Everything is so fresh. The stores are peaceful and clean. Great shopping experience. read more

Good stuff but kinda pricey, don't expect any help. The employees walked way out of their way to keep from having to help when I was there.

1 star for being innovative, creative and fresh 2 stars for having a huge variety of fresh 'farmers market' local fruits and vegetables 3 stars for having butcher in their meat market, deli with made to order sammies & a bakery with just baked breads and sweets 4 stars for having BULK products - wide ranging from spices to rices and lots in between 5 stars for having cheerful and friendly staff. Lots of corporate staff milling around but I hope when after the grand opening newness wears off it will be just as pleasant Also a great wine selection, HBC, vitamins galore, imported stuff, gluten free goods, floral, olive bar (5.99 lb) and cafe. Prices are decent too! Visit their website for local ad. Nope I don't work here just excited that there's an awesome place for fresh variety groceries nearby without having to drive 25 to 100 miles! read more

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I'm a fan of Fresh Thyme in Greenwood - but know what you are getting. It's similar to Trader Joe's (fresh, healthy) but skews more expensive in some areas. I enjoy shopping produce, meat, and sometimes deli here - they tend to have great deals on these items. I rarely buy anything from the pantry areas because they are always quite expensive. The bulk foods area can be also pretty good! My favorites: - fresh squeezed orange juice - Vermont white cheddar - deli meats - Carne asada + many other seasoned meats Customer service is usually pretty good, but if you get there an hour from closing folks are a bit busy getting ready to close and aren't as friendly as other times. read more

I'm a big fan of this place. However, there are so many great reviews that it seems like a waste to write a lengthy one myself. So, instead I'll tell you about some excellent things I grabbed while we were there. A large portion of what we bought came from the fresh dip case. They have a lot to choose from. We managed to pick three from the dozens that appealed to us. First was a smoked salmon dip. Full of thin sliced smokes salmon, this was my favorite. I'll definitely be going back to get more. Second was chipotle crab dip. This was very tasty. I will tell you that if you are looking for a ton of crab taste you won't find it here. It's delicious, but the chipotle is a bit overpoweringly. Lastly, was a tzatziki dip. This is just basically a dip made from cucumbers. The kind you get with a gyro. It's also quite good. Not something you'd eat by itself though. Lastly we grabbed sauerkraut pierogis, which are a favorite from my childhood. I was excited to find them and even more excited to eat them. The rest of what we bought was produce. Nothing to write home about. Very competitively priced for a specialty store like this though. So, if you are in the market for something organic, fresh, or just something different give these guys a look. read more

Fresh Thyme Market - Grocery Near Me - Indianapolis, Indiana

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Great store. Good selection. Best place for fresh vegetables and fruit. Has a good selection of Yogi Tea

Oops. Produce at fresh thyme is so unpredictable. Fresh thyme really needs quality control in this department. I purchased two seedless watermelons on two occasions and on both occasions they have seeds and were rotten. I will stop buying produce at fresh thyme and will make trip to Whole Foods at downtown location read more

Fresh Thyme Market - Watermelon that is not ripe and has seeds - Grocery Near Me - Indianapolis, Indiana

What do you get when you take a Trader Joe's, Whole Foods and Fresh Market and slap them all together? The answer, dear friends, is Fresh Thyme Farmers Market, and Greenwood is one of the first places to claim one. I won't point out that it's technically Indianapolis since it's north of County Line Road though. Oh, wait.. I guess I will. I really like the selection of produce and the make your own pizza bar. Beer and Wine selections are typical for any other store, and the packaged/canned goods remind me a lot of Trader Joe's. I will point out that I noticed the absence of "local" items.. which I have come to expect from a place calling themselves a farmers market. If you're looking for local goods, this isn't the place for you. You can, however, find a great selection of produce, and that's definitely enough to get me back here. Welcome to Indianapolis, Fresh Thyme of Greenwood! read more

8/27/17 update: I came in today for a produce run. Everything looked fresh and colorful, as usual. Friendly employees were busily stocking displays, as usual. I went to a bin of watermelons to pick one out, and something was very wrong. A couple of watermelons had cracked and started rotting in the bin. Not usual! I let an employee know, and he said he would get on it right away. He thanked me for telling him so he could fix it. That's one of the many reasons I love this place! Original review: I have been a regular at my local Fresh Thyme since the week it opened. There are so many reasons to love this store! --They stock a nice variety of both organic and conventional produce, so you have a big selection no matter your preference. --I find something new every single time I walk into the store. Really, I do! This brings me to the only negative thing I can say about Fresh Thyme: Sometimes I'll get hooked on a product and then they'll stop carrying it to make room for something else. It's ok, I understand, they can't carry everything. --The prices are great, especially on produce. --They have a great selection of natural and cruelty-free hair and skin products, including makeup and essential oils. --The store is a reasonable size, so I can get in and out in a flash on my way home from work. read more

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My favorite market by far. Fresh thyme is my favorite place to shop for many reasons. Let me begin; they are the cleanest grocery store I've even been to. Everything is always neatly organized and easy to find. Nothing frustrates me more when shopping when I cannot find what I'm looking for because it's in a random aisle. Secondly, the salad bar is always fresh and stocked. I typically grab a soup and a salad and leave paying around $8.00 for both.Last, they have a variety of my favorite fermented beverage kombucha! Not only do they have an assortment but often times they have it on sale buy one get one free, huge savings for those of us that live by kombucha. Fresh thyme is you got to store for fresh , organic and reasonably priced goods. You can grab groceries such as fresh fruits , veggies , meats and household and personal care items that you love. They have fresh cut bars of soap and all the vitamins you could imagine. My most favorite place to visit in fresh thyme is the meat counter! I can always count on them to have fresh salmon, most times on sale too! Like 5.99 a lb for either salmon steaks or filets!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I freakin love salmon so this is the only place I buy mine. Other places like Kroger and mejier meat counter salmon just doesn't take as fresh or good. I highly recommend fresh thyme for anyone who desires a better shopping experience that includes great prices and wonderful service! read more

Come here and enjoy looking at the wide selection of EVERYTHING they have to offer. I have bought a variety each time I've been. I recommend trying a bottle (three different sizes to choose from) of their orange juice. I also love their sushi, too. They have great employees working on making each combination. I have asked them to make me my favorite twice and they are very friendly to fulfill the task. No soy sauce is even needed, so good! Drive here and try this place out. I only like Earth Fare only because they carry organic cotton balls/swabs, but I come here for anything else. Yes, I've tried their sushi...pretty blah. read more

Fresh Thyme Market - Come to Fresh Thyme for a good time! - Grocery Near Me - Indianapolis, Indiana

Healthy food options at a reasonable price.. I'll take it. Before you come though, do yourself a favor and download their app. They'll have their weekly deals and coupons on there to make whatever your getting a little more affordable. You can make your own nut-butter in store if that's your thing. They also have many vegan/vegetarian/nonGMO/you-name--it type options. Staff are informative and the facility is clean. I'll continue to shop here because they have things that other stores don't. Plus their Fresh Thyme branded items are good quality. read more

great place. lots of good healthy alternatives for all types of items and food. quality clean ingredients come at a higher cost but worth ut in the end. very awesome store read more

It's a vegans paradise in here, ok? Always clean, well organized, and affordable, I love to bring the kiddos to FT to grab items I can't normally get in regular stores (like my fave Aldi). They do have coupons! Download the app and secure lots of deals. The kids love it as well - they're now used to getting their free piece of fruit whenever we walk in the doors. The beauty area carries some pretty awesome items as well. Between the Greenwood & Castleton location, if it's not at Aldi, you'll find me here. read more

Fresh Thyme Market - Grocery Near Me - Indianapolis, Indiana

I've heard so many good things about Fresh Thyme from many southsiders. Since I'm not around there much and my fridge was lacking basic foodstuffs, figured I would stop by. Be forewarned -- do not come on a weekend [my fault]! Parents bring their kids + narrow aisles = hot mess. Parking is at a premium too while construction goes on in the parking lot for some new building. Onto the food -- come here for fresh produce! I'd heard their prices were Aldi/Kroger ish and agree. There were a lot of specials on both normal & organic produce, for example $.99 lemons, $.88 avocados, $.99/lb Indiana green beans. I took a look at their salad bar - $6/lb. The non-produce items are expensive, most are organic/GF/etc... So for that I'll save my $$ for another store. Definitely will return for the fresh selections! read more

I generally hate grocery shopping and prefer the closest place just to get get it over with, and I have no "all natural" or "gluten free" needs. However, when I go this location is never "too" busy and even long lines at the checkout are gone through quickly. The cashiers are always particularly polite, and all of the counter workers (meat, sandwich, cheese, etc) have all been impressive. VERY impressive. And a special shout-out to the guy at the cheese counter who is impressively knowledgeable and seems to enjoy his job so much I am envious. I go out of my way shop here when I can. Prices do not seem higher (and are often lower) than the big box stores. Only downside is the traffic can get crazy - it is located near the mall - but that is certainly not their fault. If you have not been here you should check it out and I recommend interacting with the staff as they have genuinely made every shopping experience there a delight. read more

I love shopping at Fresh Thyme! I love the selection. Lots of variety and lots of items I can't find anywhere else. The employees are also so kind and helpful. I have never had a bad experience. If I could complain a little, sometimes the checkout time at lunch takes a while. Usually only 2 registers open, and I think a lot of people use their lunch hours to do some grocery shopping and also grab lunch there from their salad bar. But overall, I love shopping here! read more

I could roam this market for hours! They have everything a vegetarian/vegan/meat lover could ever need! They even have pet supplies, essential oils, and make up! My favorite thing about this place is that they have so many fresh fruit and vegetables. They all look so colorful and amazing! They also have a lot of fresh cheeses. Their fresh mozzarella is one of my favorite things to purchase here. Another thing I love, is the option to buy a lot of food in bulk. As long as you're conscious this can be a real money saving option. For things like granola, nuts, and grains, it really saves me a lot of money. They even have fresh candy that you can buy in bulk! I know that I always have to stop here and get my boyfriend some of their fresh gummy bears. As an occasional vegan, Fresh Thyme is sometimes the only place I can find things like dairy free cheese and meat alternative options. Another thing I really love about Fresh Thyme is their salad bar. I will often stop here to get a quick salad. I like how they weigh the salads and they are self serve so that I can be more in control of what is in my salad and how much I spend on the salad. Something that is important to note about this grocery store is that is more expensive than a Kroger or other stores. This is because the food is very fresh and organic--another reason I suggest consciously buying in bulk. Overall, go check it out!! read more

I absolutely LOVE their salad bar!! Hands down, the BEST!! Everything is always fresh and if something is gone or out? The Fresh Thyme Team is quick to assist in obtaining more from the back..even if that requires them making it fresh! I literally eat there 4 or 5 times a week :-D They have some pretty tasty cucumber - peppermint water too! Great store, awesome products, excellent customer service. read more

I have fallen in love already... This place has all the GOOD stuff (for you) that no other store has or at least not all in one store. They have powered peanut butter... Not sure what that is but I plan to find out. They have organic, natural, gluten free stuff, etc. Its getting exciting.... read more

I like what they're trying to do with the Fresh Thyme Markets but it doesn't seem to be 100% genuine..and I say that because going straight to the Meat department, you'll notice products produced outside of Indiana and of course, the organic/grass-fed beef does not exist. I wonder why the local butcher shops do not sell their products at Fresh Thyme? Even the apple cider comes from another state - again..plenty of local orchards that could be supported here. The baked goods also disappointed me ...in reading the ingredient lists on the bakery items, you'll notice "caramel coloring" and other ingredients that don't exactly scream "Local, fresh, organic, safe to consume..." They do offer quite a variety of good items that you cannot find at other grocery stores and prices seem reasonable but I won't do my routine grocery shopping here. Its nice to get the bags of oatmeal, nuts, and seeds though! read more

Besides the Greenwood Farmers Market (my "go to" for BUY LOCAL and with a rideable (bicycle) distance of the studio), this is my absolute favourite place to shop now! (I only wish that Greenwood had a bicycle route to it!) I find that the prices here are very reasonable and the location is closer to me than any other grocery store in the area. They have the best produce section I've seen in any store, and an amazing bulk foods selection. The employees are always very nice and helpful. This store opened before Earth Fare, so I started shopping here first. When Earth Fare did open, I shopped there once, and was very disappointed in the lack of variety, produce, bulk items and prices, (not to mention the atmosphere, which seemed sterile and cramped). So...yes! I am happy to say that Fresh Thyme is now my most favourite grocery store. (I'm thrilled to not have to drive all the way to the North side to go to Trader Joe's anymore!) read more

I love grocery stores in general and this one will be one of my favorites. I liked how the produce section was laid out, the muffins from the bakery were awesome and a great fairly priced selection of meats. My favorite aisle was the beer and wine aisle. Lots of interesting choices. Kudos to the women working the health and beauty section, they were knowledgeable on many of the products and were able to recommend a substitute for me that I really like. Why only 4 stars instead of 5? Its the other customers. Do you have to be incredibly rude to live in Greenwood? I hate going anywhere down there because the people have no manners, no common courtesy. Was the majority of the town raised in a barn? Luckily the rest of the store makes up for this downfall and I will be back. read more

LOVE! LOVE! LOVE! Finally the south side has a healthy option for groceries. On top of that, much better prices than Earth Fare, Trader Joes and Whole Foods. The prices and quality are top notch. The meat and seafood selections at the counter were awesome. I was recently in Kroger and their seafood counter had a putrid smell to it - no thanks. I spoke with a gentlemen that has been opening these stores for five years now and he tells me that they will stay competitively priced with Kroger. I am hoping that is true. Either way, I will continue to shop here as long as the quality of their products continue to be the same they are now. Yes busy, but lines do move fast. read more

Fresh Thyme, you have my heart! I've been waiting for this place to open for what seems like forever, so when they finally opened, I couldn't wait to get in there! Of course, the store was SWAMPED when we went in, but I was pleasantly surprised at how quickly we got through check out. The staff is extremely friendly and helpful, and the layout is great! They have an awesome, meat & deli counter, as well as a made to order sandwich/pizza counter. The bakery items are great and so are the fruits, which are surprisingly affordable. The strawberries were super cheap (77 cents a pound) and the meat is about the same as what I pay at Kroger. Some items are more expensive, but that's to be expected at a specialty food/healthy foods store. A word to the wise - if you like orange juice, you have got to head to their juice bar. They have fresh squeezed juices, which are pretty pricey, but trust me, it's worth every penny. It seriously tastes like someone picked an orange and squeezed it into your mouth. AMAZING! I've already been back once and will continue to shop at Fresh Thyme. read more

Can anyone say long overdue? I've only been waiting YEARS for a large scale farmers market-esque grocery store on the southside! But the wait has paid off because Fresh Thyme has brought so much winning to Greenwood, you'd think that the city was always into organic fresh produce! My husband and I have made a vow to not come here on an empty stomach because we always end up leaving with way more than we set out to buy. (Oh hey spanish chorizo, how did you get in the cart? What's that? Your friend organic beef tamale wants to come too? Okay. Why not! Fiesta!) Seriously... it's bad. The produce section is a shrine to all things organic and fresh. I can always count on finding a good selection of fruits and veggies to feed my inner hippie. While there's certain things I know I won't be able to find in the dry goods section, I know I can find most things and supplement from other grocery stores where need be. Every time I buy meat here I'm never disappointed. Very reasonable prices, often lower than Kroger. I love meandering through each aisle gandering at the different organic greek yogurts, the various local beers and wine, the organic soy and coconut milk, and the different quinoa and grains (and so much more). I always make a pit stop in the vitamins/beauty section to see what new fancy lotion or fish oil I must add to my beauty regiment. The only issue I take with Fresh Thyme is that I wish they would figure out the parking lot. Please... Fresh Thyme... do something about that dang parking lot. We need more spaces to park! read more

I loved my visit to this Fresh Thyme. I do not eat pork, and I was really excited that the employee in the deli was able to make the chicken sausage for me without the casing (which is made of pork) upon request. He mixed it up for me and even went through and explained the flavorings. He really paid attention to me as a customer and seemed to value my dietary needs without judgement. The cashiers can be hit or miss with professionalism (I noticed a few really young kids there) but other staff in the store are always friendly and nice. They smile and greet customers even if they are walking by to stock things. Overall, it just feels like a comfortable place. I'll definitely be back again and again for the chicken sausage! read more

I probably could not be happier with this store! It's exactly what the Southside needed! Amazing bakery items, a vast array of fruits and vegetables, and a HUGE meat and fish selection! My husband and I have visited three different times since they opened. The parking lot was packed, and the store was equally so, but the checkout lines seem to go really fast! Every employee I encountered was genuinely kind and helpful... They all seem excited and proud of their new store, which really adds to the experience. I am so happy to be able to find items I would normally have driven to The Fresh Market or Whole Foods to purchase. They are currently running some great grand opening specials as well. Granted, some items will be a little pricier than Kroger, for instance... But that's all part of buying quality food items. I know this store will become a regular shopping spot for our family! read more

LOVE that there is now an option like this in Greenwood. Long overdue. So many awesome options: rice, lentils, granola, etc in bulk; warmed vinegar, syrup, honey, also in bulk (in containers with lids. You fill it how much you want). I was impressed by the produce prices: nectarines and peaches $0.77/lb, when they were $1.99 at Kroger. Things I didn't like: super crowded. Not their fault. I hope it slows down so I can get through. In this same vein: I hate people who don't say excuse me. If you are in my personal space, or crossing in front of my gaze. I know it is crowded, but that is no excuse for ill manners. Makes me mad in the grocery store, too. I would expect this from maybe some snobby northsiders, but not in Greenwood. Some of the prices of other things seemed more whole-foody. ie, I eat Lifeway Kefir. I can get it at Aldi for $2.69, Kroger $3.19. At Fresh Thyme, $4.19. Also thought the Dr. Bonner's soaps were priced high-don't remember specifics, but remember looking at the price and knowing I could get it at Meijer cheaper. Also noticed something strange in the meat dept: I couldn't even get over there to see prices or whatever they had. There were two people standing in what would be the hallway to the back, handing out packages of meat to customers. It was such a chaotic madhouse, there was no way I could figure out what was going on. Free meat?? :) Other pretty amazing things: noticed that they had lots of breads, cheeses, bakery items, cookies by the piece (self serve). I thought lots of these things would be pretty awesome if one was having a party! And the most exciting thing for me: A SALAD BAR!!! Woohoo! Will try to go again when the newness wears off. I am a crowd-a-phobe. :) read more

Fresh Thyme Market - Grocery Near Me - Indianapolis, Indiana

My sister (who lovingly calls this place Fresh Thime) has been raving about this place nonstop since it first opened. This weekend I went along with her to check out the store. It's a nice little market that was quite crowded when we arrived at 3:00 PM on Saturday. My sister assured me "It's always like this". That's a good sign, no? While she shopped I just perused the aisles doing some price comparisons in my head. While some things here are quite a good deal (fresh fruit when in season for instance), other things seem amazingly expensive ($10 for a pint of gelato whaaaaaaa?). There is a nice variety of whole wheat, gluten free, diet du jour food here. If you're looking to find that gluten free flour or freshly made peanut butter this is your place in Greenwood. A few things of note: Their little deli/restaurant looked amazing. Custom sammies, an awesome salad bar spread and hot soups made my mouth water! Prices were fairly reasonable for these items as well. I was disappointed with their dessert options. I was hoping to pick something up for a dinner I was attending and I was let down, because aside from a few pies and whoppie pies there wasn't much here. Perhaps I am spoiled by Fresh Market or Trader Joes, but this place just didn't cut it! read more

Sorry, but I just was impressed. Maybe because Trader Joe is so much better and Fresh Thyme's prices were very comparable, if not the same as, Kroger. Yeah, you have some rare products that TJ has and Kroger does not have, but I can just go to Trade Joe. For me, the wine selection is the best part of Trader Joe and I went to Fresh Thyme hoping to find some great sprits. Umm, no. Their selection is nowhere on par with TJ. I did find a wine that my sister-in-law talks about all the time that I have not been able to find at grocery stores. For this, I gave an additional star. However, I left very disappointed. I figured, let me try to see if they have my natural oils, which they did but for higher prices than Kroger. So I got the wine and left. I have no reason to come in this store, unless I am buying this wine for my sister-in-law. I hope the southside commits to funding a Trader Joe in the future because Fresh Thyme just does not cut it. read more