We brought our car in to Banner Ford on Saturday, September 24, 2016 for an oil change. When we picked it up, it had a huge scrape on the hood, which I immediately pointed out to the service person. The service people took pictures and said they would review the security cameras on Monday and call us, but the scratch "looks like it's been there a while".
Monday, the serviceperson calls and says he and his manager checked the cameras out and the "oxidation on that scratch...it has been a length of time that thing has been on there." When asked about the security cameras from when we arrived, he said we looked at the cameras and we can't tell because they are too far away, so we zoomed in but then it gets blurry so you can't see if there's a scratch or not. But since there is oxidation it's not a new scratch.
We then brought it to a body shop to get an opinion on whether the scratch is old. The owner of the body shop said that in his opinion there is no oxidation on that scratch and it is fresh. He said that if they are looking at pictures that it's not the same as seeing it in person. He said if we brought it over there and talked to a manager and had him look at it in person he would agree that it is fresh. He said the brown color that they are seeing in the pictures is primer, not oxidation. He also gave us an estimate of approximately $400 to fix it.
We call Banner and are told not to bring the car in. The manager calls back. He says, "I understand you have a question about your vehicle?" I said yes, the body shop says that scrape is fresh, not old and that it is not oxidized as the serviceperson said you determined. I went on to say that the body shop told us to bring the vehicle to him for him to see in person so he could see that it is not oxidized. I said the brown in the pictures is the primer, per the body shop owner. He said there's no need to bring it in because my service techs did not do damage to your vehicle. We are not in the business of doing damage to our customer's vehicles and my techs are not reprimanded or penalized in any way if they do damage, which means they would not lie and they say that the scratch was there when you came in. I said well the serviceperson told me you said the scratch was old, but the body shop says it is not old and the brown in the pictures is primer, not rust. He said "Of course it's not oxidized, I wouldn't have said that it was rust, this material does not rust so that's not something I would say" I said well, the serviceperson said you said the scratch was old so that's how you know it didn't happen there. He said "I can't tell whether the scratch is new or old, no one can, because it would look the same either way since it's not a material that oxidizes and the serviceperson just didn't realize that it's that particular material". I then asked about the security cameras. I said that if the scratch was there when we arrived, it seems that they could see that on the cameras, even without the cameras being zoomed in because it is a significant scratch and the metal was reflecting the sunlight very much. He said that the one security camera is not at the correct angle to see the scratch at that location on the vehicle. He said the other security camera was hit by lightning about 2.5 weeks ago and is out. He said that is the camera that would have been pointed at the correct angle to see the scratch.
Conflicts / Notable Info:
1. When we brought the vehicle in, if this significant scratch was there as they are claiming, shouldn't they have brought it to our attention before doing any work?
2. When we picked up the vehicle, they didn't say that the scratch was there when we brought it in. They took pictures and said they would check the security cameras on Monday. No one said, "oh yes I saw that scratch when you brought it in".
3. Their story about security cameras changes throughout Monday. Started off with getting a voicemail saying that the serviceperson had reviewed the security tapes with his manager and they can't tell whether the scratch was there when we came in because the cameras are too far away and when they zoom in it gets too blurry. Later in the day, the manager says that one camera is not positioned at the correct angle to see anything and the other camera was struck by lightning and just happens to be out.
4. Their story about the oxidation changes throughout the day. The serviceperson leaves a voicemail saying the scratch is clearly oxidized and therefore has been there for a while. Later, the manager says that the material doesn't oxidize so it could be new or old, he can't tell. He just says he knows it didn't happen there.
5. We took pictures on Sat, Mon, and Wed. The scratch does appear to get duller every day.
6. We maintain that there is absolutely no way that this scratch could have gone unnoticed by us. It was noticed immediately when the vehicle was picked up after an oil change. read more