This is another lace like its near the intersections of University BLVD an Connecticut Avenue. Its in a small shopping area across the street from a gas station and net door to Donut King and other stores . This is Called Stella's point Grille. This is a truly one of a kind place in Kensington, Maryland . This place is a bar restaurant. It has a parking area that needs repaving badly. As you enter there's two entry points front and back door . When you enter you see a dining area with some acade games . It has a bar in back of the store on the right. But near the front door ut has a gas fireplace to keep the place warm. Near the barista area where theybserve all sorts of drinks the have a concealed kitchen area where they perform their magic to make your best foods you could ever want or You cant find anywhere else . They have a great menu there . They have an ATM machine too . This place every Monday and thursday nighrs gave Karaoke nights . I wish they could have it on weekends too . I love having pizzas there , The mean tater tots burgers and more . I think they should have discounts t those who are long term patrons to keep them coming back for more . I think they could have a more selective desert menu for kids and adults . Plus they have 12 to 14 HGTVS . I tried applying fir this place to try my luck but no response as of yet . I wanted the job there because want to build bridges between all woirld of every walk of life that comes there . I love customer interactions as a host and Food Runner . I am flexible on all hours . I want jobs there without Fear , Judgment, Or Bad Politics used against me and others without seeing what people like me can do to be great assets to the team there . I'm writing this review to help boost business again there because of what happened during the Covid Pandemic it was unlawful inexcusable unprofessional Reprehensible, Disrespectful, Irresponsible And down right wrong. The behaviors of the past should never be tolerated in any place of business ever again. The old rule books don't work anymore due to the Behavors during the Covid Pandemic. Things have to change for the better . To all American Communities, Please help bring business back as it should and must be again. We need to come back as a community again in this pla e to show appreciation to the restaurant and the staff there abd those who want future jobs there . Once I get photos from the place there on hdre I hope in a few days tgat this review will be better than ever with better detail . I hadn't been there in a while and obe day hooe to go back soon. If you love this place as I do , This place is for you. We all look forward to seeing you all there very soon once again. read more

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The food was very delicious. Tssted like home made. The chilli.....really good. I happen to come on cinco de mayo. Great discounts. The vibe of this place was so chill. So welcoming. This place was across the street from my dotors office. Im so glad i dropped in to experience stella point grill Did i mention my waiter? This tall handsome guy was welcoming. Spoke to me nicely and answered my questions completely. With a great smile and manner. I will definitely visit again! read more

This was a whole vibe!! I am grateful to have discovered this gem. The service and food was Delicious. So grateful to have found them late at night. The menu was full of great options! I can't wait to go back read more

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Went here with family & friends and it was a very nice experience! The service was super attentive and friendly. All the food was delicious! I had the steak salad and it was really tasty. My partner has the chili and that was perfect as a seasonal dish. The venue itself is pretty large with lots of TVs for sports viewing. I would come back again and try out happy hour for sure ! read more

Stella Point Grille - Stella's Steak Salad - Bars Near Me - Kensington, Maryland

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Just had to come rave about my cheeseburger and tater tots! I've driven past this place a million times and finally gave it a try. Service was great and my burger was delicious! It was pretty crowded but the service was still on point! The bartender was great and he wasn't shy with his pours so that made me happy lol Excited I finally tried this place because I'll be back, this is my type of vibe. I also love the jukebox! read more

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We came to sit at the bar for brunch and to watch football. The staff was very friendly. They made sure everyone was able to see the teams they came to watch since there were 4 games on at once. The service was quick. The food was surprisingly good. I'm very picky about my steak and actually ended up ordering a second one. The mimosas were reasonably priced. You can tell this is a place that the locals frequent. I'll be back when I'm in town. read more

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This wonderful gem is a must try! I love the wings and the crab dip. The management and wait staff are amazing and very knowledgeable about the business. I suggest you check it out and plan to have a great time. What i most enjoy is the layout with all the TVs and seating. There isnt a bad seat in the establishment! read more

Introduction/August 2023 visit: Been here 3 times and every time, I've been impressed. My friend lives close to here and invited me to BINGO night on Wednesday nights. He had been inviting me for months prior to this, but I don't live that close to Kensington. I genuinely wanted to try this BINGO night at some point and finally obliged on August 30, 2023. Unfortunately, I didn't win, but I did enjoy a great Philly Cheesesteak per my friend's recommendation with also delicious fries. Server was nice & attentive. October 2023 visit: Since I enjoyed BINGO & the atmosphere as well as my friend's company on August 30, I visited again 5 weeks later for BINGO again on Wednesday, October 4 as I had a hike Meetup in the Kemp Mill area. Incidentally, the hike was more than I bargained for, which I didn't mind as I needed the exercise, but still had a long walk back to my car, so I texted my friend saying I'd be getting there maybe a bit after the BINGO start and to grab me BINGO sheets. Once again great service, and the burger was great too. And further, I won BINGO and got some gift cards for a future visit. Between October 2023 & February 2025: Incidentally, there was discussion of me coming back to use my gift cards. Then, in February 2024, my girlfriend & I got together. Throughout the Spring & beyond, I said one of these Wednesdays we can go over Kensington, meet my friend, & use my gift cards. She finally met my friend on a Saturday in January 2025 for an advanced movie screening we went to. Two Saturdays later on February 8, 2025 I had my birthday party. Originally, my birthday party was going to be in Columbia, roughly half the distance than to Kensington. But I found out about another birthday party at another friend's house, which lives about 6 minutes away. So, around January 26 I decided to move my birthday party from Columbia to BabyKat Brewing in Kensington to accommodate for people going to my friend's party later on since I figured some won't go to Columbia & then to go to the Wheaton area for my friend's after and just do my friend's party. My friend who arrived at BabyKat early said it was packed inside there. I didn't think it would be that hectic at 3 PM. BabyKat has a nice outdoor area, but we couldn't help it was very cold, around 33 F with some mix of rain & freezing rain at times or at least cloudy with some wind. I told him we will be there in 10 minutes to assess the situation ourselves. We knew we had to pivot as we weren't going to want to be out in the cold. My friend suggested Stella, which would've been my backup option. February 8, 2025 visit: My friend called Stella and said if there was room for all of us, which they should would work. Stella was very accommodating for my birthday party saying they'd make it work, and they had a long table for us. Although this is what I envisioned for my birthday. I had imagined people would stand around and separate tables where people could mingle, but it was fine. A lot of the folks ate shortly after getting there. I had 2 whiskeys; they have a good variety of drinks, including about 6 different whiskeys. We ate in the 5 PM hour. I get the Philly cheesesteak & g/f got the burger. We both very much enjoyed our food. The staff was very nice and accommodating getting food/drinks to all of us at the various times we put in orders. Unfortunately, I didn't have the gift cards on me as I hadn't planned on Stella, more of an unlikely plan B scenario. I told my g/f (like in Spring 2024), we need to go back in Spring 2025 for BINGO one of these Wednesdays to use my gift cards when my regular friend is there. I look forward to more visits in the future and now more motivated to go after my successful birthday party here. read more

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I had been to Stella point couple of times when they just opened to support local business, but wasn't satisfied with the food, so I stopped going there for over a year. Recently, I was talking to a friend of mine, who's a regular customer to SPG and he told me, that he's in love with their food. I was skeptical about his opinion, until I went there again last night, to order beef bites and tacos and let me tell you: Food was so delicious indeed! I'm now in love with Stella point, that I want to re order the same thing, as I'm writing this, for breakfast! Btw, when I walked in, they were packed with locals, which means, Stella point is indeed a good restaurant to go to with a family or friends and enjoy their delicious food! Thank you and see you guys soon! read more

My appointment across the street finished early, so based on Yelp reviews, I gave it a try. The oddly shaped space is due to the location in the V created by the split between Connecticut Avenue and University Boulevard. That's being worked on, construction going on out back. If I recall, there was once a pretty good Chinese restaurant there. I ordered a burger, and it was very good. Some places will throw any substance that can legally be called ground beef on the griddle, but breed of cattle and ratio of cuts matters a lot. Cooked perfectly, a little char outside, tender inside. Btw, build your own choice of toppings. Tots were also legit - no seasoning required. And yes, they're an optional accompaniment, as well as fries or slaw. The atmosphere is unapologetically sports/dive bar, and I'm sure they'd roll their eyes if you called in a gastropub. Service is on point. When I had to make it to-go because my Uber driver texted he was early, no problem. I never expected a grab and go to be this good. Five stars are not something I give easily, but they nailed everything. I was delighted, and plan to return. read more

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Good food, day and night, brunch menu Saturday and Sunday. Lots of tvs and big enough that families can bring small kids and not be a bother or people can sit at the bar and not necessarily have to partake in trivia night etc.. due to the expansive layout. Friendly and fun staff too! read more

I've never had a bad meal here. Delicious and reasonably priced food. It's a very well run restaurant with amazing staff. Shout out to Alex who makes the best cosmos in the DC area! read more

Stella Point Grille - Main dining area. - Bars Near Me - Kensington, Maryland

Monday night is a bit of a restaurant desert in Kensington, MD, but we were happy to find Stella Point open. We loved the cozy brick interior and gas fireplace, and the relaxed Cheers-like vibe. Monday night is also $10 burger night - for any burger on the menu. At 30% off, it was a no-brainer for us. The burger comes with a choice of fries or coleslaw, each of them in ample quantities (no dixie-cup coleslaw here!). The craft beer is also pleasing. For those who want healthier choices, interesting dinner salads are on the menu too - one in our party went that route and was happy. A great choice for a casual evening with friends. If you are of the mind, you can stay for the karaoke that starts at 9pm. Or eat and run, like we did! read more

Classic bar vibe, great to celebrate, watch football, or chill with your friends. I liked their bar food! Service was super friendly, quick, and attentive which I loved! Sometimes bar service isn't quick and friendly but here it definitely is! Parking lot is small but free. Loved their homemade fries snd burger was delish! read more

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I've had BLTs around the country and this establishment has the best I have ever tasted! Kathy found her cheeseburger to be tasty, moist and flavorful as well. The onion rings were the thicker version which is not my favorite, however, they were some of the best around. The BLT was absolute perfection! read more

Stella Point Grille - Cheeseburger - Bars Near Me - Kensington, Maryland

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We came here for trivia semi-finals. Great venue. They handled the rush of people very well. I had a grilled chicken sandwich and it was great. Juicy and flavorful and came out perfect. If we were local we'd definitely come more often. read more

I have come here on several occasions for their $10 Monday night burger specials. The french fries have always been 5 star-well seasoned and delicious. The burgers have been somewhat hit or miss. I usually order mine medium well and sometimes this means very well done and sometimes it can be almost raw. The toppings are usually plentiful so that helps make up for some of the inconsistency. The wait staff is attentive and I appreciate that. read more

Oh I love this place. The burgers are delicious and a great deal if you go on a Monday night. I personally love the potato soup. Bingo night is a good time and quite social as you sometimes end up at a big table with other parties. Normally that might seem odd but their tables are huge and it just adds to the fun if you end up doing that. Service has always been great. They have a really nice business going! read more

I ordered a dry martini on the rocks with a twist made with Beefeater gin. Server returned to say they did not have Beefeater. He showed what they do have. I chose Bombay. When the bill came there was an additional $3.99 charge for that gin brand. A gin surcharge. The server never said that my choice would cost me $3.99 more in addition to the $8.99 for my cocktail. Never again!!! read more

to the review that said no burger there was burger was going to take picture but i ated it first so just imagine it because it had three cheeses on it which was pretty nice because im a big cheese fan good staff who were attentive and friendly so that was nice to see and they were polite so it was nice the place had so many tvs playing all the different sports so no matter what sport you play or watch it's all basically there and it's march madness so lots of basketball happening italian wedding soup was soup of the day ran out of sweet potato fries so it was included which was very nice and cool delicious soup i ate it so quick would eat it every day if i could italian wedding soup my favorite how did they know would recommend this place for everybody and the sweet potato tots were very nice and crisp so good to eat all in all very good experience highly recommend read more

Stella Point Grille - ate the italian wedding soup (soup of the day) very quickly it was yum and wanted to eat more but it was already gone - Bars Near Me - Kensington, Maryland

It's an absolute shame how late I was discovering Quincy's South... as in, I went for the first time towards the latter half of last year. I knew there were other locations, but from where I am they would take an extra 15+ minutes to get to. So when QS closed down, I was pretty sad. But now, out of nowhere, enter Stella Point! Ownership from Quincy's exists here, and it's in Kensington, a more accessible town for me! Literally within hours of hearing about it, I pulled up at night... the bar is nowhere as big as Quincy's South's, though I hear there are plans to change that. Most of the tables in my line of view were full, and I grabbed the last seat at the bar. I was observing a lot of the conversations going on, and I saw how excited the staff were and the happy conversations they were having with the patrons. Only being the second day of opening, it's obvious that the already existing Quincy's family made their way to this new location and the positive vibes are all around. If that continues, this place will do just as well as the rest. I had already eaten, but I did want to grab a drink, so I got a Gin Club... $7! Off of happy hour, I'm fully content with that -- it was good too! :) So I don't know when happy hour or any of the other events I remember are coming... I do know Trivia Tuesdays are locked in starting August 1, so that's something to look forward to! I look forward to trying the food in the near future too, though from what I could overhear, it's as good, if not better, than Quincy's. Oh, parking at Quincy's South could be a little tricky... there is a dedicated parking lot for Stella Point, but it isn't that big. I didn't pay attention to everything since it was nighttime, but at least I don't think there's a time limit here. :) read more

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I ordered their crab dip with pita bread on DoorDash but when my order arrived, it was Mac n cheese with pita bread instead. I called and spoke to the manager named Peter and he was so friendly and nice. He offered to deliver my crab dip to me personally and within 20 mins he was at my apt. I'm so thankful for people like Peter who actually care about their customers. I love Stella's and will continue to go there and order from there. Thanks again Peter! Amy :) read more

This place is full of TVs (it is a sports bar), so if you think it's gonna rot you or someone else's mind LEAVE! It is a sports bar after all, but if you're normal and don't think looking at a game while eating shall liquify the components of one's cranium it's a great place with rockin food! I do recommend (to normal people, NOT people who despise with all their hearts, the neat boxes showing programs to jovial citizens of all ages) goodbye people. P.S. the server was lovely. read more

Stella Point Grille - The fries I got (there were more originally but I took these pics after eating some of my meal) - Bars Near Me - Kensington, Maryland

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Fun neighborhood sports bar with good food. I'm a fan of their steak salad. Plenty of TVs.

2nd delivery. Inedible taco meat filling masquerading as chili. Nothing else in the chili & the "sauce" in the bottom of the container was oil! Ten Chicken wings very fatty skin, but on the big side. I got them plain. Ugh! Ate the two flats. Rest were drumettes. Potato soup is warm, tasty & plain old good - on the thick side with chunks of cooked potatoes throughout. I liked it best. Prices are good compared to other vendors & it's great that this place stays open late. I ordered crab dip before. Was lovely but way too salty for my tastes but then my palate usually disdains salty fare. The chili was truly unacceptable in every way though & the hub is a chili aficionado. If he scowls after one bite, it's not only not good chili, it's unpalatable chili. Well, late at night fare may be the dregs from the evening, so maybe that accounts for it. Delivery app refused to give credit for the bad chili though despite the pic. read more

Stella Point Grille - Chili - Bars Near Me - Kensington, Maryland

Every time I come to this establishment the food is delicious! The energy is infectious and the service is good. Even when I order from Uber eats it's like the food was made to order straight out of the drivers back seat. My absolute fave local bar and grill. read more

Food has improved a lot and nice atmosphere. Very easy going and fun place to grab dinner.

I was looking for something light to eat but stumbled across this grill. I ordered to-go. I ordered two sandwiches because I could not choose between the two. I ordered the Big Sur and the BLT. On The Big Sur, a lightly fried patty, with bacon and cheddar, covered by lettuce, tomato, a spicy avacado spread, on a ciabatta roll. The hand cut fries are fantastic. Hands down one of the best sandwiches I have ever eaten. I look forward to trying the BLT later. It looks equally delicious. I read more

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Great atmosphere for a local bar. Perfect for happy hour, dinner with the family, watch sports, and late night drinks which is hard to find in Kensington. They updated the bar so there is more seating too. Items to order: crab cakes (seriously they are great), buffalo shrimp, sliders, BYOBurger is always a go to, wings, large pizzas, and the cheese bites are addicting. They have great specials too. read more

Got late night delivery. Extremely tasty funnel fries. Very generous crab dip. Tasty in house fries. Totally satisfied and glad to report this was a nice suprise. read more

Stella Point Grille - Funnel Fries! After I ate 75% of them. So tasty and perfect comfort food dessert. - Bars Near Me - Kensington, Maryland

Ok - I am trying to be nice and helpful, but the other day I experienced someone telling a patron that "the customer is not always right" and first I thought it was just two people chatting and to my shock it was one of the owners taking constructive criticism and literally bidding farewell to a customer. Wow! Again my experience for the third and final time is this. The food is less than average and in todays world that does not work anymore. Diners demand a good product that is better than they can make - well - I would say that anything Stella makes can be made easier and more tasty at home because we care about what we eat unlike the cook / chef at Stella. The ambience is unfinished and has a confused vibe - something tells me the draw is the bar crowd, but even that is waning - I believe the neighborhood would embrace these guys, but the food is sub-par and not family friendly which is what the neighborhood is looking for. Humility is the key to business success and growth and based on my recent experience with someone invested in the success of the business...embracing humility is critical for success - my way high way is prehistoric thinking and a restaurant is a team sport and a collective of coordinated same minded people focused on success and my experience with loitering servers and customers looking for attention is not part of the success doctrine. Sorry for this review but humility is sometimes hard to swallow and maybe if you embrace it things may change. read more

Let me first say that Kensington NEEDED Stella Point! It is a very welcome spot in the hood. Outside of good ole Savannah's from back in the day, Frankly pizza and a few fast/casual spots- there really wasn't much in terms of restaurants or places to sit down for a meal or bar to have a cocktail at. I have been a handful of times and it's exactly what it's supposed to be. The food is consistent and tasty. They're drinks are traditional and cold. I WISH they had a better wine selection AND that they sold bottles, but I understand it's not supposed to be a fine dining experience! It's just nice if you go with a few girlfriends to be able to order a bottle... I LOVED their blackberry habenero sauce for the wings or tenders, which are both crispy and cooked to perfection. Nobody wants a soggy wing and theirs are just perfect. The crab dip is also something that is exactly what you expect- cream cheesy goodness with old bay and chunks of crab. My only thing is their service seems a little discombobulated. Not BAD, just not efficient. I'm not sure if they do sections or they just kinda walk around and see who needs something. We weren't sure who our server was as each time it was a different person. It worked okay- but just weird that someone would drop drinks off and they'd be sitting full in front of us as someone else comes to take our drink order. Whatever works I guess. Either way- I'm rooting for them to do well! Will def be back for those buttermilk tenders. read more

Tons of free parking. Accepts cash and credit card. Nearby the Starbucks, CVS and hair Cuttery. We came to this restaurant for a kids event. Upon arriving, we noticed there was tons of parking in the shopping center. There appears to be 2 entrances to the building. We arrived and the staff here were friendly. Also, there were tons of tables around. For this area, there's not much places to go for watching sports. This place has tons of tvs so you can watch multiple events. At the kids event, they were serving pizza, chicken tenders, fries. The kids enjoyed the food here and there was tons of space to move around. The manager / owner there was very polite and the customers appear to be happy while there. Although we didn't get to try their drinks / regular food items, I did see some customers trying them and they appeared to enjoy it. I'll definitely come back here to try their regular menu. The restaurant is a place where people can socialize and eat. So expect there to be some noise level, however it's not unbearable. Worth giving this place a try if you are in the area. read more

This is a newer spot we really enjoyed that took over an iconic Chinese restaurant that was open here for decades. This new place is an American sports bar with multiple large screens televisions on every wall. Plenty of seating some a bit too close when it's packed and a nice size bar area. The food is very good and the service improves more and more with every visit. We enjoyed all the dishes we ordered so far. I recommend the pesto linguine to die for-- and steak bites (appetizer), which were both delicious. My hubby enjoyed the crabcake with a generous amount of crabmeat in the sandwich. Various sides are an option, but the tater tots were crisp and hot. The only thing I didn't like was the Chilly Julep mocktail. This was a personal preference to me the coffee brew overpowered all the other ingredients, but a great drink if you like cold brew coffee. I strongly recommend the Ginger sunrise mocktail especially if you enjoy Ginger beer/flavor. You will not be disappointed with the menu nor with the quick turnaround from the kitchen-- The service keeps improving; it continues to always be friendly and accommodating each time we dine here. read more

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The food was greasy! This was the third time that we had a delivery! Everything came hot! The food was greasy each time! The crabcake sandwich didn't taste like there was any crabmeat ! The steak eggrolls had barely any steak and were overcooked and dripping with grease! The Ruben was soggy! We were very disappointed! Doubtful that I will order from there again! We have eaten in several times and the food was just fair! No utensils were included as requested! read more

We are so excited to have a place like this in the neighborhood. While it was loud (hence the one star off) it was good food for sure. Staff was really nice to my kiddo and they had good kid options. The steak was well priced and really good -- get mashed potatoes! The Mac and cheese was also really yummy. read more

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We have been missing China Gourmet and have been so looking forward to the opening of Stella Point Grille. We were particularly happy when we found out that the owner's of Quincy's South were partners. I've gotten reluctant to review businesses based on my first experience because sometimes a great first time results in a disappointing second time. But we were so curious we decided to go for lunch on their second day open. The space itself is very open, lots of tables, tvs, a beautiful brick wall, and yay, they kept the fireplace. Wish there were some booths but that's okay. The small bar in the back of the restaurant is going to be replaced by a large wrap-around bar in the main dining room. We loved the atmosphere. Everyone seemed to be happy to be back at work. Our servers Ryan and Alex were so engaging and it was so, so nice to see a familiar face from China Gourmet, Pastore there. As you might expect on the second day, and apparently after a very successful opening day, there were some glitches. We ordered the wings which we remembered from Quincy's. The second thing we ordered was out of stock. The beer Rich ordered wasn't cold yet so he decided to stick with water since he had an appointment later anyway. And my first drink request wasn't available. I was able to find a drink I was happy with and our second choice of an entree, a Greek salad, was delicious with lettuce, cucumbers, tomatoes, olives and a really good dressing. The restaurant is a little noisy but not so bad I couldn't hear the music which was exactly my style, think Fleetwood Mac, etc. Plus the staff was so energetic, so upbeat the small problems were not a big deal and were easily resolved. And as they settle in I'm sure things will start running smoothly. So five stars for the vibe, the staff, and, of course, those wings. read more

This was my second time here. First time I went here I found hair in my food not once, but twice in the same night. I was really unsure about returning, but decided to give them another try. The food was okay, and for the $10 burger Mondays deal it was worth the price. Our server was a younger guy and after waiting for 15min for a beer with our server nowhere to be found I just went up to someone else to cancel and ask for the check. I got the vibe that some of the younger employees were busy socializing in the back. However, the 'older' guys there had excellent customer service. Idk if they were somehow involved in the ownership of the place but they gave off that kind of energy. Very attentive, friendly and quick. The other thing is that they were out of stock of chicken tenders, which was the second time in a row it has happened. Just seemed odd since that's like a staple bar food item. Luckily my kids were easily persuaded to get something else. This place has the potential to be a rockin' neighborhood spot. If they improved their food quality a bit I bet they'd be packed! read more

Food was great, no complaints there. The service was terrible and I'm never one to write bad reviews, etc. but this was ridiculous. We sat for at least 10 min before anyone checked on us, we were never given silverware, we grabbed it ourselves. Two of the drinks we ordered never came until we asked for them at the end of dinner (of course no apology or acknowledgment of a mistake). The waiter never checked on us after taking our order or after the food came. We had to ask twice for the bill. I'm not expecting high end service at a place like this but the bare minimum would be nice. read more

This is a great BAR, the bartenders are attentive even if it is 2-3 deep during a playoff game. The dining portion is mediocre at best. While the food may be good for a sports bar, the service is lousy, the waitress this evening NEVER came back to see if my order was correct/good and I had to go to the BAR to get the order completed correctly. I packed up my order such as it was to take home - where I will totally miss the Giants-chiefs playoff. The waitress words to me...."uh oh" when I told her this was being posted to YELP. I paid the bill at the bar and put on the bill that the tip was to go to the bar staff only as they served me VERY well when the house was full for the Commanders playoff. Why I come here...it is local business and kitchen is open late. May not be enough of a reason moving forward. read more