At Lantana, you will find an awesome Aussie style brunch and I say this as an Aussie. Their brunch items are veggie-forward, filling and well-thought out. The weekday breakfast menu featured some pretty creative and unique savory brunch items. My friend and I shared the corn fritters and pulled pork drowned eggs. My favorite of the two was the corn fritters. It came with streaky bacon, fresh spinach, roasted tomatoes, smashed avocado and lemon creme fraiche. The entire dish was very well executed - all the ingredients went well together and it was bursting with flavors. The pulled pork drowned eggs were pretty awesome too. We asked to substitute the fried eggs for scrambled eggs, but it came with sourdough, spicy tomato sauce and parmesan. This was quite interesting as I've never had anything like it before. The pulled pork was tender and flavorful. The eggs were fluffy and the spicy tomato sauce added so much depth to the dish. Overall, Lantana serves some pretty delicious and filling brunch here. Prices are decent too. I highly recommend checking this place out! read more

Lantana - Corn fritters and pulled pork drowned eggs in the back - Breakfast & Brunch Near Me - London, XGL

Seriously everything is bloody great. Our party of five had most of the dishes on the menu- from the smashed avo to the sweet potato hash to the corn fritters and the mushroom toast. Also the kale bread. So many great savoury flavours and excellent portion sizes for the admittingly a bit expensive prices. Also my husband loved the coffee. The desserts were also top-notch: the salted caramel bar and the banana walnut cake earned praise for their rich textures and tastes. The only niggling factor? All the dishes were quite salty so I definitely felt as if I would have a heart attack by the end. Also the service wasn't great; out waitress was very nice but the amount of people she had to serve meant she went missing when we needed more table water, extra plates etc. Overall though I would definitely return for how creative the dishes were. Just make sure you make a reservation! read more

Lantana - Wonderful corn fritters - Breakfast & Brunch Near Me - London, XGL

A super-duper solid 4-stars for Salvation Jane...! Salvation from...? City Road? Chilly January weather? Low caffeine threshold? Starbucks coffee? Mediocre breakfast options? Take your pick, Jane saved me from all of these things. While it may look quite small from its address on City Road, it's rolls into a back area with very ample, quite comfortable, seating. Rows of communal tables and quiet corners to conversate and dine --- you'll find right here. The space is new and shiny (housed in a newer building) with very clean restrooms, a smiling staff, and nice offerings. However, a bit pricey. A breakfast for 3 (each with a main and a beverage) ran close to 50 quid. Not that the quality didn't match the price tag, but just watch out as you peruse. The Smoked Haddock Hashcakes + fresh spinach and poached eggs were quite lovely, very obviously prepared this morning, and hit the spot. Not too big. Not too small, the right temperature and consistency for hashcakes, and the eggs...perfect. My dining companion's Cinnamon French Toast with cream and berries though? WOW. Looked absolutely amazing and she concurred. As I mentioned, the service is good. Very good for London. Only misstep? Those half-eaten hashcakes hung out in front of me FAR past when I had decided that we should separate. Enjoying Americano #2 without the lingering smell of fish would've been highly preferable. However, only misstep on the service side. It also seems very...BRIGHT in here. Some better light might set the ambience up a bit better. There also seemed to be quite a few interviews being conducted, just a funny observation more than anything else. :) Go get those jobs, people! Jane will save you! Would be a great place to curl up for a nice meal, bring a group or just pop in for some takeaway (in the front, premade sandwiches, coffeebar, etc). Will add to the breakfast rotation around Old Street Tube stop. Next...Ozone! read more

Lantana - Haddock hash cakes with spinach and poached eggs. - Breakfast & Brunch Near Me - London, XGL

I have a very special bonding with Salvation Jane, why? Well I had my job interview here and guess what I actually got the job! I think one of the stars is probably because of that! But the rest 4 they deserve every bit of it! I am very bored of all the Starbucks and Costa's so every time somebody introduces me to a new cafe I get extremely excited. Salvation Jane is also such a pretty name, being a marketing person names of restaurants gets me very excited to a point that sometimes I might like a place purely because of its name (ok that is probably an exaggeration). For all you nasty smokes (I am included) they have a smoking shed outside which is such a saving grace during winters because you don't have to freeze to death to have a smoke. The tea pots they have are very pretty and blue, I have a lovely photograph of that too because the day I visited I happened to wear nail paint of the exact same shade of blue! The breakfast menu looks absolutely stunning and the options are just so confusing (in a good way) because there is so much to chose from. I had a Cinnamon Toast with cream and berries -- wooohhh delicious will be an understatement. I will have to mention that it is not exactly a cheap breakfast or budget meal place so I think you should save this place for special occasions if you are not loaded like me. The waitress we had was very friendly and she helped me pick my dish too. Verdict : If you are near Shoreditch and looking for a good breakfast place, you know where to go! :) read more

Lantana - Blueberry French toast - Breakfast & Brunch Near Me - London, XGL

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I went there at lunch time. Always so curious about this place. It did not disappoint me at all. Great enviroment and staff. Best chicken burger I had in a long time! They also offer a great lunch deal: Tart + 2 salads. Quite good as well. I will be back, for sure. Breakfast time I think! read more

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Great coffee and tasty brunch! While I'd wholehearted recommend this for a lazy weekend breakfast, it's not a place that I'd frequently come for coworking, despite the fast, free wifi and quality caffeine. It's just a bit too pricey for a multi-hour work session. For two people, breakfast and a couple of coffees can easily set you back 30 GBP, which is steep even with Ozone just around the corner. read more

Lantana - A tasty, messy breakfast sandwich - Breakfast & Brunch Near Me - London, XGL

I am really excited about all of the great breakfast/brunch spots in the area. Adding to the list is Salvation Jane! Really cool lively vibe and decor with very kind staff. The roasted portobello and the corn fritters were really flavorful. Cutting into the perfectly poached egg and letting it run over the mushroom and polenta was a treat. Thyme roasted Portobello mushrooms and Goat's cheese w crisp polenta, watercress and a poached egg Corn fritters stacked w streaky bacon, fresh spinach and slow roast tomatoes served w an avocado chilli lime salsa and crème fraiche read more

If you just want a nice wine bar to have a drink after work where you can hear yourself and have a nice chat without loud music blaring away, this is the place. Had a most enjoyable evening at this very casual, easy ambience, welcoming place, where you are served by the owner himself. My friend and I wanted somewhere for a drink and a catch up chat for an hour or so, so stumbled here, just off the Old Street roundabout, as somewhere close to where we worked in the City, so alas City prices, £27 for two glasses of wine and a small mezze board including service charge, but you do get decent quality food and drinks, especially the wine, the owner, George, actually let us have a tasting of the wines before ordering which was a really nice touch. They have a really nice summer nights menu serving Mediterranean cuisine. We chose the Mezze board to go with our rosé which included grilled chirozo, green olives, hummus, dukkha, cornichons and toasted sourdough. Not a large board, almost a taster size, but we were not looking to dine, so suited us for something to snack at while drinking our wine. Great atmosphere at the front of the cafe, nice rustic feel with wooden tables, and a full wine rack up one wall, makes a nice decor. To my surprise when I went to check-in, it said it was closed at 6pm. But apparently, they have started to stay open until 10pm a few months ago, so that needs updating, as if I was checking my Yelp app, I would have missed such a great place as it said it was closed! read more

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Amazing food, decent drinks, and good service. Mid-range price. Its quite noisy inside otherwise it would been full score. Definitely worth going for brunch. read more

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This is where a vegetarian goes after you die check into heaven and order breakfast! Absolutely delicious, warm and friendly service and bright and beautiful atmosphere. I'm flying back to London just to take my dad out for breakfast here. Love it!!! read more

Lantana - Buddha bowl - Breakfast & Brunch Near Me - London, XGL

I LOVES ME a good Lantana brunch. I loves me a good Lantana anything, really. There is a special place in heaven for people who get avocados the right ripeness, bacon the right amount of crispy and eggs the right amount of runny, and this place makes my palate happy. Also, HELLO SOY CAPPUCCINO. Oh and everyone is like really goodlooking in there. Ask for Andrea the floor manager, she'll sort you out and always has a smile for everyone :) read more

There's been a growth of new restaurants appearing in Old Street and some quite attracting too. Salvation Jane were one of the first ones to open that got me excited to try out being a sister of Lantana, a popular brunch place and Salvation of Jane was no different. I really thought I was in for a let down when I saw they had removed the Spanish Style Baked Eggs off the menu as it was the dish I wanted. My heart sank when I couldn't find it. But I'm pretty glad in the end as it got me trying new brunch dishes I wouldn't usually have ordered if I saw baked eggs. So in the end I settled for my corn fritters stacked w/ streaky bacon, fresh spinach and slow roast tomatoes served w/ avocado chilli lime salsa and crème fraiche whilst my boyfriend went for the toasted sourdough, organic streaky bacon, a fried egg, rocket, fresh tomato and aioli. We also added a side of a halloumi. Both dishes were delicious although I only got to have a bite out of the boyfriend's one so will not review his. There was so much going on that it was hard to believe how wholesome it actually was. The combination of ingredients used was faultless. The beautifully grilled corn fritters had a lovely seasoning, slightly spiced and each bite had soft little burst of sweetness coming through with the corn. Lovely fresh crunches from the spinach and the perfectly salted lightly crisp bacon giving me that 'Saturday treat yourself' feel. The perfect sunny side up, avocado and creme friache wrapped things up nicely, adding that buttery creamy texture to each mouthful. The halloumi came nice and chunky and no complaints there. The whole dish was just made with simple ingredients but put together it tasted amazing. I finished with my Chai Latte which was probably one of the best I've had as you could actually taste the tea. It was creamy with distinctive notes of ginger which was really warming. Together with the fresh looking wooden decor, natural lighting shining through, homely furniture with a mini bookshelf containing fun little books for a quick read and a self serving condiment shelf, my brunch experience became the perfect start to my weekend. It's the place I would choose to go for relaxation, a feel of home but being served by lovely waiting staff, all very welcoming too. Really highly recommend this place. read more

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Incredibly yummy Australian Brunch place. I shared a few items with my friend and we got the Lantana Blend Double Espresso shot with ice cream & toffee sauce! This was very rich so make sure you have lots of water, BUT incredibly delicious if you love coffee! We also got the avocado toast with HALLOUMI!! It came with a poached egg, labneh, hazelnut & pistachio dukkah, courgette & herbs on sourdough! This was really tasty and zesty. Not too overbearing with the tang, and was made just right! We also got a small bite Corn Cob with cashew mayo & coconut chilli samba, and the mayo was really light, fluffy, and vegan! We also had the espresso cake because... well... we love dessert haha. I think if I were to redo it, I wouldn't get two espresso items but I was just craving it so much!! The only thing is that I wish about this place, was that it would be slightly cheaper. Nonetheless, it was great! read more

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I can't say that I'm jealous of those who live around Old Street. I mean, choosing between Ozone, Franze & Evans, Breakfast Club, Curious Yellow Kafe, and many others for your weekend brunch is as hard as first world problems come. Salvation Jane is another Antipodean outfit, pretty much right next door to Ozone (which in itself is pretty new) and is definitely vying for my place-of-choice. However, if you walk into one or the other, it's a bit difficult to tell which is which as they both have that gutted warehouse look that seems to be all the rage these days. There are many things about this place which make me happy - the ceiling-high windows overlooking the back courtyard, the cool wall decorations, and, when I went in last time, having Dangermouse/MF Doom's "The Mouse and the Mask" album playing in the background. Definitely the second best cafe/restaurant music I've heard in London. The coffee here is good - I certainly prefer it to Allpress. But the real winner here was the breakfast - I don't understand how a BERT (bacon, egg, rocket, tomato) sandwich could be so pretty (also, SJ scores major bonus points by sourcing their bacon and sausage from my favourite London butcher, HG Walter). There are a select few places in the world which serve breakfasts that make me feel like a champion, but London has its very own here, and for that, I am very thankful. Of course, I'd be more thankful if Salvation Jane went all Salvation Army and decided to do it for free, but I suppose that's something I can overlook. read more

A relaxed place for weekend brunch in Shoreditch. Australian kind of - not usual plates. Something different to explore but a bit price. Decent coffee and wifi for remote working. read more

Lantana - Breakfast & Brunch Near Me - London, XGL

Hmmm. Only some impressive, last-minute customer service from the manager here saved Lantana from a "I will strike you down with great vengeance and furious anger" review. Lantana looks the part of relaxed Aussie brunch place all right. A warm, yet modern space divided into different themes. Predominantly young arty professional customers. Coffee listed on a blackboard. The (Allpress) coffee was good. We were about to hit up the London Coffee Festival so opted for a decaf. It was solid. The food however was disappointing. I had a rather messy mix of fried egg, meat and potato. It was okay, but not particularly flavoursome. My girlfriend's corn fritters however were outright tasteless. Seriously. Seriously weird. It was like they'd ruthlessly hunted down the cheapest ingredients, thrown them together and hoped no-one would complain amid the trendy surroundings. The manager saved the situation somewhat though by asking how our food was and immediately removing the fritters from the bill when we shared our feelings on it. So A-OK it is, even though once bitten twice shy: I doubt I'd be racing back here if in the area and in the market for brunch. read more

Spacious and calm decor is a plus, but the slow, haphazard service and slightly disappointing food don't really make up for it. I arrived at 11:35 and was told brunch had finished and they'd start serving lunch at noon. Fine. At 11:55 we asked if could order and they said "the kitchen doesn't open until 12". A full 15 minutes later they still hadn't returned to take our order. I had the corn fritter stack with spinach, bacon and avocado salsa. The fritters had a spicy kick to accompany the otherwise bland taste. The avocado salsa was mostly onion. My friend had tart and salad which was mostly fine apart from the fact her "chickpea and butternut squash salad" had a single piece of butternut squash. Afterward, we had to ask 2 times for the bill and 3 times for a takeaway container. I don't know if we were just unlucky, but I probably won't return. It was on the expensive side, and service was included on the bill. Which we paid. read more

My local brunchery. I crawl out of bed, poke the boyfriend till he gets up and we head to ' Jane's. It's all hardwood floor, white walls and yuppy dishes on the menu. Kiwi baristas shout hello when you walk in and it's all very relaxed and Sunday-fabulous. The BERT (bacon sandwich) is the business, with crispy gorgeous bacon and a poached egg to run down the side. Nom! I always go for the sourdough toast with lashings of butter and vanilla blueberry jam. If I was ever feeling virtuous, the bircher muesli is divine and a decent meal on its own. If you want to pop in for cakes, they have a tasty selection of mini cakes, brownies and Antipodean type treats. read more

Dear Jane, Though you are yet another addition to the Oz/Kiwi coffee fad, you please me. Your communal tables and natural aesthetic make me feel welcome and calm. Your staff are kind and handsome. Your coffee is well-crafted, potent, and flavorful. And your food. Your food is the thing to not be missed. You have a thoughtful menu: well seasoned and moderately priced, featuring preparations that allow the quality of the ingredients to shine through. And oh! Your baked goods are also exceptional. Dare I ask... are you seeing anyone? Can I come a-calling again soon? I don't want to be too forward, but as you can probably sense, I am quite taken with you. Yours truly, KB read more

I visited Lantana for breakfast with two of my friends for breakfast and we really enjoyed ourselves. We all had a fresh juice and I had the duck hash, whilst my friends had the smash avo and the Bircher. All of our meals were a really good size and very flavoursome. I'd definitely come again. read more

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I really, really like Salvation Jane. I'm not *quite* as fond of it as I am it's aussie/kiwi neighbour, Ozone, but it's still a pretty fantastic spot. Their coffee is fantastic, they've got a great selection of sweets and nibbles and the baristas are friendly. They've got tons of seating, so it's a nice spot to catch up with a friend if you're looking for somewhere to meet around Old St. Station. read more

This is a hangover breakfast heaven. I went here for brunch today with some friends after a particularly heavy night on the crème de menthe. The cafe is pretty minimalist; big wooden tables, murals of Australian flora and fauna with the occasional bird thrown in there for good measure. The menu is really good - there's a lot of variation on it, but it's not one of those menus that has so much on it that you feel like you're reading a dissertation instead of a list of food options. The food was DELICIOUS. It's pretty unusual, but divine nonetheless. I had wheat-free toast with smashed avocado, bacon and poached eggs, while another friend opted for some corn fritters with bacon, and another had some concoction of ham hock and chorizo. Everyone agreed that the food was brilliant, and at under £10 for generous portions, I'll definitely be visiting again. The only downside was that the service was pretty slow - we had to wait about 15 minutes to finally get the bill. Usually by that point I have naturally assumed that the business doesn't want my money, but my companions assured me that this was likely not the case. read more

I ordered a bacon breakfast sandwich from Salvation Jane's only to be told I couldn't eat it at their eat in counter because I had a cup of coffee from a place across the street. While I understand that bringing in a branded cup from another competitor (Caffe Nero) is not ideal, their request that I couldn't eat in their restaurant a food item I purchased there felt very uncomfortable and frankly embarrassing. I wasn't offered a common sense alternative (purchase a coffee there, put the coffee in a different cup, etc) that doesn't create an embarrassing situation for the customer. I had no intention to start a branding war...honestly. I just wanted to eat my sandwich there instead of outside alone in the cemetery across the street (which I did in the end and actually fascinating to do among tombs from the 18th century). Under different circumstances, I would have loved to experience Jane's for what it is and not through this senseless act. As for the sandwich, I still ordered it took it to go. It was good, but was tainted with bitterness as I ate it. read more

Fine resto. A bit busy, a bit loud, a bit up-to-date. Really lovely schnitzel. A fine old Long Black coffee. I've only had the lunch, not the brunch. (is Brunching really becoming a Thing in London? I can imagine a Sunday punctuated by Brunch and Roast...) Everything's good, but it's almost as if they've ticked all the boxes - 'locally sourced meat', 'funky peppery lettuces', 'poshed up bacon sarnie', 'good antipodean coffee'... all at prices to match. It's fine. It just doesn't crack the four-star barrier for me. Plus, they do that thing that annoys me - adding in 15% service on top. Chaps: this is London. 10% is correct, 12.5% is cheeky and annoying, but 15% is just over the bloody top. I, like lots of people, will add on a better tip, in cash, without card fees or delays. It's not like someone's going to stiff you. read more

Lantana without the line! No problem rockin' up at 1pm on a Saturday and getting seated. Same great menu--interesting combos for breakfast. I landed on eggs with haddock cakes that were quite tasty. Friendly and personable service, although slightly flaky. Hard to choose between Lantana and Ozone for brunch--I prefer Ozone for the edgier vibe and coffee, Lantana for a good chat with friends and better food options. Bon Appetit and lovin' the new Old Street brunch corridor. read more

A great place for coffee and pretty good food too. This is one of the best places in the area for a coffee business meeting - the other being Ozone just around the corner. I recently tried the food for the first time and went for the pork burger with kimchi. It was very tasty, although a little on the pricey side. If the weather is nice, go for the tables outside in the adjoining courtyard. read more

Lantana - Pork burger - Breakfast & Brunch Near Me - London, XGL

Visited this place for brunch recently to catch up with a friend from university. They had discovered this place through a friend. The coffee was excellent although not amazingly great that you would shout out about it from the roof tops. I had a slated beef hash with relish and salad. Liking the adventure of trying something new when I can I can say I was quite pleased with the choice. Like the name suggests a standard hash brown with salted beef added to the mix, yum is the best way to describe it. Again this was one to those cafés which had a long table in the centre of the dining area which many parties could sit around without being in each other's breakfast. Overall noise was a little loud but this wasn't helped with a softly spoken friend. Prices reasonable and the quality of the food was good enough for me to consider going back some day. read more

Can't believe it's taken me so long to get here for brunch. I'm a big fan of Lantana, based near Goodge Street and my work - though a bit pricey for a brunch (8-12 quid) - it's never a disappointment. My personal favorite is the corn fritters with bacon, spinach, tomatoes but when in a hurry the breakfast sandwiches never disappoint. A must for breakfast dining near Old Street, especially if you want to avoid the breakfast club and diner crowds a little further down near hoxton square. For those living nearby, I actually did takeaway my first time here and was delighted to have all the yum in the comfort of my own lazy Saturday home. read more

I'd classify this as just another trendy chill cafe in the area with good food (similar to Ozone/Workshop, though I prefer the latter two). Having queued up for brunch at Lantana once and found it super meh, I was a bit hesitant about trying Salvation Jane. Nonetheless, I'm only based near moorgate for a few more weeks so I figured I should give it a go. The entrance is kind of dark and I somehow expected a smaller, darker space inside. Instead, it's fairly large and reasonably bright (or at least 'normal') Lots of wooden chairs and tables. For the food, my friend and I shared the corn fritters and the French toast. It was all good but unmemorable. Pretty solid cafe but I'd take Ozone next door most days. read more

excellent coffee. they also do cakes and other bibs and bobs. takeaway salads are also marvelousssss: especially the beatroot salad and the mackerel salad. mmMMmmm long story short: YUMMY read more

Lantana - mackerel salad yummmmy - Breakfast & Brunch Near Me - London, XGL

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God this place is awesome. Aussies bring your UK/US mates here who don't get how good an Aussie style brunch is. Great coffee, quality food over quantity and variety *gasp* equals the invaluable chance to silence American friends who bleat on about how they do the best brunch. No.You.Dont. read more

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So you are stood on City Road waiting for somewhere to grab a coffee and all of a sudden 2 come along at oncenew kid on the block Salvation Jane opened last Tuesday. The antipodean takeover continues this is Aussie run super friendly team with great welcome and service. Modern space with urban feel bare breeze block as opposed to brickwork glass frontage with loads of light. The cakes are to die for and once the kids spy this I can see myself being shunted in to grab cakes to go whenever we stroll by. Need to work through the coffee menu to give a proper review. Flat white lacked depth but these are early days..I will be back read more

Lantana - Breakfast & Brunch Near Me - London, XGL

A great place for lunch in Shoreditch! I guess this place is also related to the popular Lantana in Fritzovia, but after my experience today, I definitely prefer Salvation Jane. I got the aubergine and mozzarella tart and sweet potato soup-both of which were their specials of the day. Both dishes were really delicious and it only came out to 10 pounds, so definitely keep your eye out for their specials board. Staff was also really friendly and helpful; our server was willing to answer all of our questions about the menu and he even put up when we were taking forever with splitting the bill. He also gave us free extra pieces of bread and a refill on our tea when we asked! The lunch rush is pretty crazy, but getting a table wasn't too bad on a Wednesday afternoon; if you prefer quiet places, it usually clears out by 2pm so this place is the place for you, too. read more

This is my favorite coffee shop to visit if I need to get some work done. During the weekends, the brunch rush can make it crowded, but during the week, there are almost always empty tables. It is quiet, it's got lightning fast wifi, there's no rush to leave and it's a stone's throw from the tube. The food prices are a little on the steep side though. read more

Excellent and unexpectedly good breakfast. Their take on corn-beef hash was two large cakes that were crispy on the outside, potato-heavy, light and fluffy, and spiced enough to keep them interesting on their own. But they were paired with an excellent tomato relish, a perfectly poached egg, and some fresh greens. I also enjoyed the carrot orange juice and coffee. To top it off, the patio wasn't terribly crowded and the weather was perfect today in London. read more

Love Lantana, but it can be a 'mare to get a table unless you arrive early and, have to say, staff can be rather grumpy when they're under pressure and juggling a full restaurant. So, very glad to see this place open which correct me if I'm wrong is Lantana II with a whole heap more space. I was in for breakfast and it was pretty much empty as it had only been open a week food was good, coffee was superb and the cheery waitress from Melbourne was a very sunny start to a grey, rainy day. Definitely recommended. I imagine next time I go back it will be a lot busier as word spreads. read more

A great find! A group of us went yesterday - chosen by a member of the group who has coeliac disease and needed somewhere which had gluten free options for brunch. She had gluten free bread, scrambled egg and bacon - really nice to go somewhere where she is not jealous of everyone else eating their lovely gluten-filled brunch! The coffee is absolutely delicious and then I had poached eggs on toast which was simple but tasty. My only complaint is that the portion sizes are small (I could have easily eaten twice as much toast with my eggs...) but maybe I am just greedy... read more

Best coffee in London, lovely selection of healthy brunch choices, Popular at the weekend so expect to wait... but it will be worth it'

Came here during Monday lunchtime - definitely recommend their lunch menu. I ordered the crispy skin chicken with spiced lentil, yogurt, and caramelised onion for 10 pounds. The portion wasn't huge but the taste was definitely amazing - surprising because I've never really been a fan of lentil to start with. There's also a variety of drink selections and desserts. Takeaway is welcomed as well. read more

Cute quaint cafe! Lovely food and a fluffy scrumptious flat white in a decent sized cup. Brought my visiting kiwi friend here for brunch and the food was just as good as the coffee and very filling. Have been back a good fee times since... read more