Conclusion: if you are in the market for a German Shepherd Dog (GSD) I highly recommend Fleischerheim. Talk to Bill, explain what you are looking for in temperament and your goals (protection , pet, showing) and then get to know the dogs. You will be happy. Pros: well bred, beautiful dogs. Easy to deal with. Will ship dogs if needed. Hips and elbows guaranteed. Cons: can be a bit pricey but you are getting higher quality dogs from German stock, not the inbred American stock. Notes: Over the last 11 years we have purchased 4 GSD from Fleischerheim. They have ranged from the 2nd tier to the highest tier. We have loved each and every one. They have had distinct personalities and were beautiful. Every one was fantastic with the family. One is more protective, one was an incredible tracker, one was playful and the latest is still young but may turn out to be all of it. You have to remember that personalities are individual and develop as they grow. How they act will depend quite a bit on you the owner and how you train and interact. Our 11 year GSD still romps and plays with the puppy she is protective of my family and barks at strangers just as I want her to do as I feel safer traveling for work knowing she is at home. read more

We love our sweet pup!!!! She is so smart!! Perfect match for our family! Would highly recommend This breeder! read more

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I bought two dogs from him in 2012, both of whom were advertised to be "trained" dogs. They were shipped to me and were absolutely filthy when I picked them up at the airport. Both wreaked of urine and were dirty from ears to tail. When the airline let them out of the crate for me to put a leash on them, they both bolted out into the parking lot. This was after dark at the Atlanta airport, so it was very scary chasing two dogs that didn't know me through a parking lot trying to get collars and leashes on them. When we arrived home, it was evident the dogs had CLEARLY never been inside a house. They were not even remotely house broken, let alone obedience trained. The first thing the male did was walk into my den and lift his leg on my sofa. It took weeks to house train them, something I thought I had paid good money to avoid having to do. Of course he has a no return policy which should have been my first red flag. I thought very seriously about getting an attorney, but I didn't because I thought it would end in me having to return these poor souls to this incompetent sales person. They were both sweet dogs and didn't deserve the life they had obviously had before we got them. One slept for months curled up like a fox in a den with his big fluffy tail completely covering his face. He was terrified of men and crouched down when anyone came towards him with his food. Seemed like he had possibly been yelled at a lot by a male at some point. Both had SEVERE separation anxiety. One would literally pace in circles for HOURS if it heard a clap of thunder. We eventually tried medicating her and even a thunder shirt, but nothing ever helped. The reason I am just now writing is because one has now passed away and the other one is a senior. I am thinking about getting another one and was reminded of how differently I would go about the selection this time. Shipping animals is not ideal and probably very traumatizing at the least. So, I definitely would suggest buying in driving distance of where you live. Never buy an animal with a strict no return policy in the contract. And lastly, don't be afraid to speak out against situations like this. Animals can't do it for themselves. read more

We are the lucky owners of a 11 month, superb, long-haired German Shepherd pup. Our kind, balanced, wise, stop traffic handsome and gentle hound is all that and more thanks to the careful & expert breeding program of Bill and Evy Fleischer of Fleischerheim German Shepherds. We just got the all clear on his hips, elbows & superb confirmation. He excels in sheepherding, general goofiness, having fun at the beach, being my service dog and being the most loyal and loving companion we could ever have imagined. Mac is a dream come true. read more

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My boy is going on 8 years old and in honor of his birthday I wanted to review your kennels. He is the best dog I've ever had. He is my service dog and goes everywhere with me. People commit on how good looking and well behaved he is. Thank you for giving me the time to visit with him , just he and I, and let me get to know him before adopting him. He is everything I wanted in a gsd. I made a mistake and adopted from another gsd breeder. She is sweet but not near the disposition of him at the same age and not service dog temperament. We have learned, the grass is not greener. We will be coming to you next year to adopt another of your beautiful puppies as I need our little guy trained for service and to retire my best friend. read more

Best people to buy a puppy from. I was a little worried about the price but my boy is well worth it. I get complements every were I go with him about how beautiful and well tempered he is. We hot him at 9 weeks. This picture is jim on his first birthday read more

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I have known Bill Fleischer and his family for probably over 30 years now, how time flies!!! Over the years Bill and I have co-owned the world champion young dog in Schutzhund and I have purchased three dogs for me and my family for protection and companionship. My latest dog Kanto I bought about two months ago and he has exceeded all expectations. I live on a ranch with many people coming and going, lot's of animals, veterans who have service dogs we help train, etc. It takes a lot for a dog to be "my personal dog." He pretty much has to be perfect and listen immediately when given a command. Kanto meets all those requirements and is gorgeous as well. Bill knows the best breeders in Germany and he gets the BEST dogs out of Germany be it a puppy litter or a trained dog. I rarely take the time to write reviews, but for family protection and companionship get a German Shepherd from Fleischerheim. read more

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I bought a dog from him a decade ago. Dog had urinary problems on arrival. And he was Sch1 but lacked courage and was fearful. I got no satisfaction from Fleischer. He was a total lying asshole to deal with. I took him to court. He lost. Mr Bigshot appealed. He lost the appeal too. I built a website to warn others of his thievery. But I took it down as I was getting phone calls. I'm looking for another dog and I'm surprised that this scumbag is still ripping people off. Warning: run don't walk from this read more

I purchased my little girl on 5/10/20. She has been such a wonderful addition to our family. She is extremely smart and although she's not a working line GSD, she has a good a enough work ethic for sport. She's training in IGP and is making wonderful progress. I have no doubt I will be able to get her titled. read more

I have purchased four German Shepards from Fleischerheim German Shepherds since 2010. My first was a boy "Quinn". He was great from the beginning. I still have two girls, Lilly 8, and Bella 5. I recently purchased our new boy "Finn". He arrived May 2020. He's absolutely wonderful and truly a gift ( temperament/ personality) .. Bill and his family are so professional, honest, and knowledgeable about this breed. We will always purchase our shepherds from Fleischerheim!!! Please check out their website---and then call them--you will not be disappointed!!! read more

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I am pleased to say that I have my second German Shepherd dog from Fleischerheim and they have both been wonderful. My new puppy is so smart he practically trains himself. Bill's dogs are beautiful, healthy, and loving. As they grow older they become very protective. I just can't say enough wonderful things about the experience I have had with Fleischerheim. read more

I am on my second GSD that I purchased from Fleischerheim. Both are/were adult females that were retired or current breeding dogs. The first, Dollina, was very reasonably priced and was the best dog that I have ever owned. Perfect behavior on and off leash, well socialized but non-reactive to other dogs, a wonderful companion that was affectionate but not overly so. She had special status at certain restaurants because of her behavior and presence. We acquired her at age 6 and enjoyed her thoroughly until she succumbed to cancer at age 12. Her passing was a huge loss. After 6 months, we decided to look nation-wide for another GSD. We decided on Abby, a 3 year old Fleischerheim dog that had recently given birth to some gorgeous puppies. Abby has supermodel good looks and show dog manners on leash. She prances and struts with her head held high in an aristocratic sort of way. As a younger dog, she requires quite a bit more attention and activity than Dollina, but that is to be expected. I enjoy working with the dog and she impresses my friends with the basic sit/stay/down commands by voice or hand, walking at heel and responding to changes in pace and stopping immediately when I do. Generally, it is possible to get a more highly trained dog elsewhere, but that would be a lot more expensive. I don't think it's possible to get a better looking GSD elsewhere though. read more

I had a great experience with Fleisherheim, from start to finish. My new little guy, (Abel) has such an excellent temperament, it is often complimented on, during our adventures. He is curious, confident, and intelligent, a truly wonderful addition to my family. It is clear that Abel's behavior is a result of an experienced breeder, along with consistent training on my end. Bill followed through with all needs. AKC paperwork was complete within a week of picking up. All veterinarian papers arrived with Abel, along with food to mix in with new food to help transitioning diet. Bill helped with all of my questions, and gave me the impression that I am free to call him, even further down the road, to utilize his knowledge on this breed. I have recommended Bill, and will continue to do so. read more

Once again, Bill delivered to me an awesome German Shepherd! This is my 3rd dog from him. Bill is a professional in every way. He knows GSD's well and produces from the very BEST bloodlines. Thank you again, Bill. I highly respect you and your business. read more

We got our first GSD from Bill in 2008 and she was the best dog we ever had. Sara passed at twelve years from cancer and after a few months we decided to get another dog. Sent Bill an email and he responded right away. We now have our second GSD and couldn't be happier. Named this one Lela and she is one special dog- so smart and such a sweet playful personality. Her colors are beautiful and we get compliments wherever we take her. We wouldn't consider any other breeder, Bill is so experienced and knows his dogs so don't hesitate to give him a call and get an amazing German Shepherd dog. John S (Chicago) read more

Outstanding. The team was very accommodating with my schedule, and helped me find the perfect pup. Easy to train; she was house broken within 3 weeks. Excellent temperament with other dogs, other people. Beautiful coat, very healthy - I got to see her parents and they both blew me away. The lineage of these dogs speaks for itself. 10/10 experience, I can't say enough good things about these pups. read more

I purchased a puppy in 2009 for $2,500 dollars from Bill the owner. The German Shepherd puppy was given to me at when she was 4 months old. Her parents were Vico and Wyhoa two champion type parents. Within 2 months I noticied my puppy limping and found out she had bad elbows and a bad hip. After paying $5,000 to get the puppies elbows reparied, Bill the breeder said to send him a copy of the X rays. I sent him all the information and he never offered me any money or seemed that concerned. I even sent him a follow up email and never heard back from him. I recommend before buying any dogs from Fleishcherheim you get a written guarantee that if his dogs have problems with the hips or elbows Fleishcherheim will will pay for the cost or give you another dog. read more

I also had a very negative experience with Bill Fliescher and Fleisherheim kennels. In 2008 I purchased a 6 month "Ultimate Supreme" male puppy from him. If you go to his site you can get an idea what I paid. The dog arrived here and I had it checked out with the vet who x-rayed the hips which were fine. This vet said his feet looked a little funny but I told her not to worry as Bill told me that he would look a little funny walking but that this was perfectly normal and that he would grow out of it. HA HA HA! What a sucker I was! The next few weeks several experienced GSD owners and one well known German dog trainer told me that his elbows looked very bad and abnormal. It was very apparent when the dog ran as he did so in the "bunny hop" style which is an indicator of serious joint problems. I told people what Bill had said about him growing out of it but they informed me that is incorrect and I was probably misled. Well to sum up this whole thing I ended up taking the dog to 2 vets and a veterinary surgeon in South Florida. His x-rays were also reviewed by 3 different veterinary radiologists. They all confirmed his elbow deformities and let me know that he probably would have a very painful future and would need costly, risky surgery to lead any kind of normal life. In the best case he would probably only live a few years before most likely needing to be put to sleep. Now anyone can understand that when you breed hundreds of dogs each year even at the highest quality level you would expect a few puppies to come out with some problems. I expected Bill to be reasonable and resolve the problem. So after about 2 months with this puppy and having spending heavily in vet exams and x-rays, I contacted Bill about the problem. I sent him all the reports and dozens of x-rays. Days, then weeks went by. No answer. I called again and was given one excuse. Then another. After just hitting a brick wall of excuses I hired a lawyer. The lawyer ended up getting him to agree to make a swap. No reimbursement of any vet fees. The lawyer honestly explained my options which were of course ridiculously expensive. If I sued the case would of course be heard out of state and cost thousands just to get it going. The guarantee Fleischerheim gives is only for "crippling" hip dysplasia within one year of purchase which is incredibly tricky as you may not see signs of dysplasia till the dog is an adult. Even then by the time its actually "crippling" your contract will have long since expired. After 40 years of breeding dogs he definitely has it all figured out. He can almost get away with anything and I suspect has many times. The dog I swapped for is healthy though definitely not a world class shepherd behavior wise. Not very confident and showing signs of fear-aggression. No chance of succeeding in Schitzhund or being much of a protection dog. He is pretty though. My advise to anyone looking for a GSD is this. One, don't even think about dealing with Fleisherheim unless you absolutely must. If you do then get your own contract with him which covers ALL major health problems for the first three years of the dog's life and don't buy any of his cow hock crap. Two, you must must must pick the dog out yourself personally. You can learn how to do this by reading up about it beforehand. The main thing to look for is confidence and ZERO signs of fear from the puppy. All these ratings of Supreme, Ultimate, etc are complete BS marketing garbage. You can tell very little about a puppy that is only a few weeks old. Character only becomes more apparent as the dog gets older (3 months +). Any purebred GSD can end up a great dog as long as its healthy and confident. Another thing to know which I don't think many Americans know but in Germany there are two classes of GSD. One class is the show dogs which are bred for beauty (think Fleischerheim) and the other class is for the "real" working dogs (think protection dogs). So you should really decide ahead of time what it is you are looking for. If you want a show dog then look for lineage and prettiness. If you want a GSD that will give its life for you and your family then you'll need to look harder at the puppies and learn how to differentiate between a fearless confident dog and one which is skiddish or lazy. Best wait till they are at least 3 months old or more. If your going to spend serious money on your GSD then it would also be wise to bring along an experienced third party for their opinion also. Unfortunately for me I had to learn all this the hard way but next time I buy a GSD it won't be from Fleischer and I'll know what I'm doing. read more

I have had two just wonderful, healthy, happy, well socialized dogs from Bill. I have been living with German Shepherds from Bill for over 20 years. Not only are they just beautiful dogs (maybe our current dog is the best looking GSD I have ever seen), they are extremely well tempered, good with children, and good as guard dogs. I have had my current dog stop a 6'4" man who was advancing on us as we backed up, I had the dog on a lead of 10 feet and was pulling him closer to me, when the guy got within 4' still yelling, the dog launched himself in the air, rotated 45 degrees and hit the guy in the chest with all four paws, knocking him back and ending that. He loves kids and is a legend in our neighborhood. I trained him to scent track, he is legendary for not only finding lost pets but also for his hide-and-go seek, I think he is about 25-0. To track a kid who has run down the block and found the best possible hiding place, he doesn't even put his nose to the ground, he just runs down the street with me on his tracking lead and we always find the hider. One thing when you read some of these bad reviews, which I find hard to believe, remember the adage, the temper of the dog comes down the lead from the owner. If you want to get one of the best GSDs in the world, give Bill a call. Tell him what you are looking for, let him recommend the puppy for you, and get ready for the best friend you could have. read more

I bought a male puppy in October of 2020, and had him delivered to me in Atlanta. I'll have to say he is a gorgeous dog and sweet...But, I've had some unfortunate accidents with him pulling me down on the leash. He's gone after atleast 8 dogs in my neighborhoo, where he's gotten loose...I gave him up, and then felt guilty and missed him and he came back to me. A friend of Bill's, who lives here was going to take him and trade him for another. I couldn't do this. Ive got bites that caused bleeding in addition to broken blood vessels near the site. These are on my hands, arms and legs. I'm wondering if something is not right with this dog..Today he was an angel, then took him for a walk, he freaked out at other dogs and a jogger. He made circles around me hoping to get loose. My nerves are shot again. I see other people that do not have these issues. I think something is wrong with this dog...What do I do? read more

I purchased a GSD from Bill and Evy in 2008. Dog was offspring of two German Schutzhund Level 3 parents. Two Complaints: 1) At one year she was diagnosed with Severe HD. Vet is surprised she is even walking. I always knew something was off and as Tim (11/18/2008) said bill's response was less then admirable and unacceptable. After some time and considerable energy he offered me another UNTITLED dog from his 'personal' litter. While I was appreciative of the gesture it indicates he cares more about the money than the dogs. I paid for a much more quality GSD example than that. To be fair, I had requested purchase price minus expenses. 2) 2014 and I still don't have my paperwork. It is exhausting dealing with Bill. Good luck. read more

Bill Fleischer was a life saver. After having several stalkers over the past 25 years, I wondered, would I ever feel safe. I contacted Bill and Evy, and after weeks of talking about the puppy that would become my companion, and ultimately my protector, Bill shipped me the little girl, who came through just fine. I took her to my Vet the next day, they all fell in love with her. Absolutely gorgeous; black and red beautiful pup, very healthy, and we began our lives together. She never left my side until a pitbull decided to attack me, and she sacrificed her life for mine. I would never look at another breeder, Bill's 4-decades-plus relationships with people matter a whole lot more than anything. I'll be back, that's for sure! read more

Bought 2 dogs from Bill, and one i should have never purchased -- irregular to bad bite -- recommended orthodontics for the dog. Head tilted to one side, which he said she would grow out of --- i sent emails, called and basically it was my problem and she would grow out of everything -- paid good money for the dog, got ripped off, and he doesnt stand behind what he sells. Buyer really really beware........ read more

We bought our German Shepherd from Bill many years ago. We had been referred to him by a friend who had two dogs from him and loved the dogs and the breeder. We had picked a choice puppy not the most expense by any means. We had the best dog imaginable. He was kind, smart, sweet and a protector of our family. We had a toddler and small boy at the time. Captain as we named him (he was puppy c) lived ten years. He was a large dog, and the best family dog we could ever have. We are getting ready for another and will certainly go back to Fleischerheim Kennels again. Everyone loved Captain. He was the perfect balance of everything you could want in a dog and family member. read more

I bought a top dog from Bill about 11 years ago. This pup was a Neptune Bad-Boll son and was beautiful. Things starting going dowm hill from the moment we brought him home. I had asked Bill if there was anything wrong with this dog before I bought him...he said "No!". On day one we noticed that he had a break at the end of his tail. Over the years this dog has cost me a fortune in vet bills. He's got every genetic problem imaginable. Allegies, nurological spine degeneration issues, joint issues, DM, dental problems, enlarged esophigus, bloat...I could go on and on. My wife loves this dog and I have simply paid the vet bills to keep this guy going...probably close to 20K so far. Bill doesn't care about the buyers or the dogs..He's in it for the money. On a GSD website that I go to regularly, another happy Fliesherhiem owner said that Bill would sell the gold teeth out of his mothers mouth...Stay far away from this crook!! read more

I bought Bill Fleischer's puppy through Nobleheim German Shepherd. She has an underbite, hip dysplasia and a skin condition that causes bald patches. Her legs are not developing well either. They should stand straight. However, her legs are bent at an angle. She's extremely hyperactive and anxious around new people and other dogs. Before that, I went to Haus Merkel whose puppies also have the same bloodline as Nobleheim's. The owner at Haus Merkel weaned a litter of puppies at 4 weeks so that she could send the mother for schutzhund training and certification. Puppies should only be weaned at 5 weeks. Further, there was an overwhelming stench in the nursery and indoor kennel. Hardly a healthy place to breed puppies. I did not know Fleischerheim, Nobleheim and Haus Merkel were related and was unfortunate to have bought a puppy from them. read more

9 years ago we were fortunate enough to find Bill Fleischer Fleischerheim German Shepherds in Dallas Texas and purchased an amazing West German Shepherd pup. Schatzi our German Shepherd has been an extremely smart, protective yet a gentle loving family member. She has never had any health problems or issues. Recently back in July of 2019 we again purchased yet another German Shepherd pup from Bill Fleischer and luckily she was related both on the father and mothers side as our 9 year old. I think she works out to be a great, great niece of our older German Shepherd, the same blood lines. Both of them have amazing grandparent history of VA1, world champions on both sides. The two of them get along amazing. They play and have fun together all day long. They are now best of friends.Thank you very much to Bill and the Fleischerheim team for breeding the best German Shepherds in the world! read more

I purchased a German Shepard from Bill at the cost of 3500.00. At one year we had his hips x-ray-ed and the results were that the dog had moderate hip dysplasia. I called Bill and was told wait until next year and his hips should be okay. We did the x-ray again and his hips were not fine. I called Bill and he was not the least bit helpful. Now at the age of 3 our dog now has lupus and will be on steroids for the rest of his life. As far as personality and looks he is great. Health wise terrible. There warranty is basically worthless and they offer no refunds or anything else to offset this. I would look for another breeder that offers a better health guarantee given the price that you pay for his dogs. There are good quality breeders that offer a lifetime health waranty. read more

The only reason I'm rating this Fleischerheim 1 star is because we love our 14 month old male GSD! BUT and that is a HUGE BUT.....our Ace has had numerous health issues! From the get go....he had reoccurring giardia, bad over bite, has a major heart condition that requires life long meds and ongoing cardiologist checkups ($$) and we became very concerned at about 6-8 months that he had bad hips. Needless to say after X-rays and a visit to an orthopedic specialist he has hip dysplasia in both hips and arthritis already.....and they're concerned now that he may have elbow dysplasia! ($$$$). Yes, I did receive a check for $675 to cover Ace's first echocardiogram, but he has received another one and will more than likely have another every year if we want him to continue to have a fulfilled life. The response I've received from Bill is baffling! I could have returned Ace after completely falling in love with him......ummmm, not! My three children equally love him! All I asked of this "legit breeder" was to return our money! $2,000, minus the $675! His attitude sucks and from what I understand is he isn't even a "breeder".....he's a broker of these amazing GSD! Don't purchase from Fleischerheim! Do your research! All we wanted was a healthy GSD that would be part of our family! We definitely got a awesome dog that we love but we didn't think he'd make it to 1 year old due to his heart condition. How do you explain that to three children????? read more

This is a follow-up on Lexi's medical condition. Her bladder infection is back and her bacterial intestinal infection has not cleared up. Her temperament is not what Bill had said it was. He and his wife stated that she has a wonderful temperament. Not so. True, she is very sweet with me, however, overly protective and already nipped at my friend. She is difficult to control, when someone comes to the house, so now I have to hire someone to help me break her from her overprotectiveness. I am frustrated, because I spent most of my time at the Vet's office, for one thing or another. I cannot have people over to the house because of her overly protectiveness. Bill knew that I am a senior citizen, but he obviously does not care, as long as he makes some money. As I stated before, when I told Bill about her protective behavior, he in so many words told me that I wanted protection, even though I had asked for a pet quality dog, and now I had to deal with it. I owned German Shepherds before and never did I have one that was a liability, like Lexi. read more

As a dog trainer and someone that has been involved with top German Shepherd breeders....buyer beware!!! Ask questions,check health of pups from previous litters,ALWAYS get some health guarantee. Even if the parents are "champions" and have great health...it doesn't mean that the pups are going to be as well. All the best to those that have had a bad experience. read more

I purchased a male Ultimate Supreme puppy from Bill in 2009, parents Voltan and Hanna. I can honestly say I was impressed with my puppy in the beginning. Wonderful temperament, disposition, etc. Vet adored him and I thought I got a real winner! At 18 months old, he started having issues with getting up, climbing on the couch, hopping down from the truck, etc. Took him to the vet and after checking over my dog, it was discovered that he was already showing signs of hip dysplasia. I contacted Bill and requested the OFA information for my puppy's parents. He became defensive immediately and only told me that in order for his dogs to rate SCH2 and higher they must rate "normal" on their hips. When I again asked for the OFA numbers I never got a response. Just yesterday, my dog's back legs and hips have completely locked up. His only chance of continuing on with a somewhat normal happy life is total hip replacement. He is only 3 years old. DO NOT PURCHASE FROM THIS BREEDER!!! read more

This kennel is known among GSD people for being having sick and bad temperamented dogs. I had a situation similar to Roland B although not quite as serious. My female dog is just now coming out of her illness and putting on weight. I've spent thousands of dollars trying different food and vets trying to get her healthy. My male is still skin and bones and his back feet are very cow hocked. I was told as well that that was normal and he'd grow out of it. It didn't happen. Please Don't buy from this kennel. Find one whose contract is actually worth the paper it's written on and get a healthy puppy. This guy had over 50 dogs and I don't know how many puppies all in small kennels. The place reeked of dog urine and feces. My male puppy had diareaha when I got him but, I was too naive to realize that I needed to run the other way at the time. Bill can fleece new people like no other I've every met. Maybe my review will help keep someone else from a $10,000 mistake like I made. $5000 for the two dogs and at the very least another $5-7K in vet bills and expensive food trying to heal them. Look for a small breeder who lives with their dogs and who doesn't have so many. You can't give individualized care to each dog if you have 50+. It's just not possible. Research your breeders and look for one who says they'll take back the puppy and replace it if any hereditary issues develope and not just for the first year. Some of this doesn't become apparent untill the dog is an adult. A good reputable breeder will be there for all your questions and will be very concerned if a puppy that they've bred developes any issues whatsoever. A good breeder feels responsible for the animals they breed and follows up to make sure all is well. I learned the hard way from this incident and my subsequent dogs have come from quality breeders with much fewer dogs, who truly love and care about the dogs. A word of advice from someone who has been there; look elsewhere for your German Shepherds. You're headed for heartbreak when you loose a dog you've grown to love to HD or other illness because Bill Fleischer won't stand behind it and didn't breed it for quality in the first place. read more