I am a long time customer but this summer getting any , service, trying to set a service date -- no shows times 2 and no call from office to let me know. Extremely high fixed prices for A /C repair and waited a month for part (motherboard) that was supposed to take a week. Difficult to even get thru on the phone to ask about arrival impossible "we are doing our best but we are short staffed" . Calls never returned. This a huge change for the Ashton of years past when they were on top of their customer service and delivery. However the technician JEROME that came to diagnose and finally install the new motherboard was amazing -- knowledgeable, professional and explained problems clearly and worked quickly and efficiently. i hope he gets a gold star and some extra $$$ really read more

They don't deserve even 1 star! I sued Ashton in court because they completely destroyed my shower wall! Even after the judge ordered them to pay for all the damage they caused, in addition to refunding my money, Ashton refused to obey the court order! The courts then had to issue a WARRANT for arrest to force them to pay! DO NOT HIRE ASHTON! I made the unfortunate mistake of hiring Ashton to replace a leaking faucet and they quoted me $1900. Instead of simply installing a new faucet as we had agreed, two plumbers from Ashton showed up and unnecessarily broke my existing tiles, damaged and removed the concrete around the pipes creating an enormous hole in my shower wall, replaced my old pipes, and then installed new pipes for the faucet several inches off center with no concrete. They then wanted $3600, insisting that I now had to pay $1500 for garbage disposal. Ashton later admitted they were aware the pipes were not centered and kept quiet hoping I would not notice. After Ashton finally straightened out the pipes, I had to hire someone to temporarily attach tiles to a non-existing wall. Ashton then sent the original plumber to incorrectly attach the new faucet! I wrote a letter to David Fowler, the service manager at Ashton, as well as to the President and Vice President. David said he would send a plumber to attach the fixture properly, but nobody ever showed up. I ended up having to hire a different plumber to finish the job. All I wanted was a replacement for my leaky bathtub faucet and ended up with a complete nightmare! The judge stated that I did not sue them for enough money! read more

Did the job but very expensive. 850 for a shower cartridge replacement, and it's single handle. Has to call to get a discount but still very expense after the discount at 650, before tax, for a shower cartridge replacement for a single handle shower. read more

Very quick response and courteous, efficient, excellent and friendly service at a reasonable competitive price. A job well done. Never go anywhere else for my plumbing, heating, drain work. Highly recommended. read more

First class service. First class company. Professional from the get-go. Unbelievable customer service. I say that because I just switched to Ashton from a different service provider. The difference is night and day. Thanks Ashton. read more

Called tuesday, they promised me a schedule on thursday between 10-2 i called thursday morning at 10 to check estimated time of arrival they informed me I had no one coming today as they got busy. Offered to reschedule me for tomorrow but again couldnt commit to a time just another range. Trying for round 2. read more

DO NOT CALL ASHTON FOR YOUR FURNACE! Our furnace was on the fritz and we called Ashton to have a look. Our furnace is 12 years old and still looked serviceable but when the technician Moe from Ashton looked at it he said it needed a full replacement. He said we have carbon monoxide leakage and we had rusting in our furnace. He also left the unit open with all our plugs unplugged and said he would send a quote for replacing. The service charge for coming out was $220.00 for him not doing much. The worst part is he quoted us $7000-8000 for a new furnace. When I googled the approximate costs for a new furnace the prices were roughly half of my quotation from Ashton. I called Jon at Lion Mechanical (recommended by Cambie Plumbing) to have a look and he found the issue was a faulty control board. That was replaced and the furnace is working perfectly fine. He tested for carbon monoxide and his machine was showing readings of ZERO! We feel scammed by our experience. Don't let this happen to you. Call Jon at Lion Mechanical. He's awesome! read more

Ashton - Furnace - Plumbing Near Me - Richmond, British Columbia

Was in a jam recently to fix a boiler in a newer home. The heat worked on one floor and other floor only worked at night. I totally expected the worst but these guy came through Technician diagnosed zero faulty parts. He said the builder had wired the upstairs and placed the thermostat by the return air duct 2 screws off and 2 screws to move the stat away Works perfectly now read more

Ashton - Control board - Plumbing Near Me - Richmond, British Columbia

Shockingly UNRELIABLE service! I scheduled a service appointment for the boiler at my parent's place in Richmond and was told that the technician will show up between 12pm and 4pm and will notify about half an hour before they arrive. On the day of the appointment, they called 11 am to reschedule for the following week (same time slot) because a technician was sick. For the second appointment, I waited for an hour and no one called or showed up. When I called their office, the representative (Carlos) said that he would check and someone would call me back. An hour and a half later, no one called. When I called again, another representative (Stephanie) told me they could not make it that day. After I told her to cancel my appointment, she offered $100 credit and reschedule me for two days later. I rejected the offer saying that the credit is of no use to me if no body shows up for the service call as agreed. She assured me that she would personally notify me about the new appointment. On the day of the THIRD appointment, I traveled to my parent's place again and waited an hour. No call arrived from Ashton! When I called them, the representative (Carlos) told me he would check and call me back. And no one did! When I called the office again, another representative (Erin) told me that I got the time wrong and the appointment should have been the next day. I told her to check with Stephanie, who offered me the credit and new appointment. Erin kept saying that I got the time wrong. At that point, I told her to cancel my appointment and I will take my business elsewhere. She simply said OK. Funny enough, about half an hour later, Erin called me back and apologized that the technician could not make it and offered to reschedule it for the next day. I told her that altogether I wasted more than 10 hours waiting for service and they need to change their business practice. And I told her I will take my business elsewhere a second time. If you need reliable service, find another shop! read more

Poor customer service, unreasonable charge! I am a property manager. One of my tenant reported noise issue of the furnace. I called Ashton plumbing and gave them my credit card number. I told the customer service that I need an estimate before they replace any parts. The customer service said he would let technician know. However they never called me until I received the bill for around $30 thermocouple and around $500 labor. When I called customer service about the overtime labor, he told me the parts was a special model that the same service technician had to get one from company and come back to fix it. When I asked him why there was a 2nd technician being refused to access, he told me they did not charge me for the 2nd technician's visit. The invoice showed universal thermocouple, truck load, 2.5 hrs labor + 0.75 overtime labor. I checked my tenant and he said it was service by 2 technicians and most of an afternoon that should not OT rate. I cannot imagine what had happened. Very poor customer service and ridiculous billing because of their mistake. read more

Ashton - Plumbing Near Me - Richmond, British Columbia

As other Yelpers had mentioned, they do charge a flat service rate and their quotes are definitely higher than normal. I had one of their Techs come over to look at our HVAC and rather than fixing a serviceable unit their solution is to replace the whole unit at double the price on the market. We had a freon leak and the Tech say that they do not repair leaks and only do replacements. I knew I needed a second opinion and the Tech was able to refill my freon leak for $400. They are professional and legitimate company however I think they are wanting to make the big bucks and won't provide smaller repairs. I gave them 2 stars because I think their Technicians choses what they want to fix and what they don't. Based on the other reviews, when they do fix your issue they do a great job and when they don't -they don't do anything read more

Mo evaluated our home for home heating upgrades. He was professional, knowledgeable and extremely patient in answering the multitude of questions we had about a very complex new technology. He deserves the five stars! read more

Looks like Ashton SVC has received quite a few no show or cancellation reviews, well just happened to me. Maybe not enough technicians or just over booking. Please avoid and go with Lambert or Reliance. read more

Update: They rescheduled me for another day and cancelled me the same day when I left work and was waiting at home. I would highly recommend avoiding this place unless you can stay home 24/7 and you're ok being rescheduled repeatedly to another day without any notice. Original Review Booked appointment 2 weeks in advance for a broken furnace given it's very hard to take time off work. Called day before to confirm and was told appointment was not scheduled in and was given a random new date. Surprised they didn't call me to even warn me my appointment was cancelled and lack of accommodation to try to schedule me for the original time that I booked. read more

Not impressed with their response time on work follow-up. They came to our house three times but when they failed to fix the problem, I expect them to be better at returning calls and emails. read more

We had the heat and cold systems both installed by Ashton and it was great job for the heat side but the AC side has been having issues since the first day. But we still ok with it as the system has been working for 2.5 years brand new. So this year in March when I asked for specific mechanic who knows our system do the maintainence works. The office said ok and they scheduled but cancelled me twice and rescheduled them. In July, office promised to send me the service tech I was requested for, ended up with huge disappointment with a DIFFERENT tech who has no knowledge of my system came in and I have to start with ground zero for him. Our system is unique and there were a few parts that Ashton did and config at site while we using the existing piping from HVAC system. Wasted my time and now the AC finally gave up. I have got now an excellent company that dealing with it. Instead of too low refrigerant Ashton was telling me, we found out it has been too much in the system. Sorry, Ashton,you have treated me very well in the beginning but it is time to go somewhere else. read more

Horrible customer service! After their staff shot down our home HVAC (that we had originally bought from them and was still under warranty) due to a leak it had caused, it took them 8 months and endless emails and calls to get back to us -- only to let us know that they could not repair the heat pump and that we had to pay $10k to replace it!!! Do not use this company! They are simply the worst! read more

The plumber replaced my toilet for $1000. He took it upon himself to check my toilets & furnace & found faults. He told me the furnace was installed improperly & I should get the installer to come & redo it. He sold me the NoProblems Plan of free inspections - pipes, furnace, filters, drains etc., but they did not do a single thing on the plan. My sister called them because she found a wet spot in her house & thought she had a leak. She called Ashton & they told her she needed a new sump at $2500. She wanted a second opinion & time to think about it. In the meantime, she had her roof cleaned & the cleaner told her she had a leak in the drain. This water from her roof had leaked into her house! I would never recommend Ashton to do anything. read more

I made the mistake of not asking for a quote up front, thinking that most well reviewed plumbing / heating companies would be roughly the same cost. I agreed to the estimate they gave onsite since I had already taken the time off and needed the problem fixed, but paid over $560 for a simple part and less than 1 hour of work. Worse though was that this didn't fix the problem, and 2 missed appointments and a crazy high estimate later, I cut my losses and called another plumber who fixed the problem for 1/3 what Ashton quoted. So ask for a quote up front from them or any plumber, and better yet use a smaller plumbing company that will take more accountability. I wrote a long detailed email about how they failed to fix my problem despite charging me $560 and got no response. read more

I have been dealing with Ashton for years and have always found them responsive. There has been some front office problems lately but every business, esp during the pandemic, has had their problems. For the last couple of years, I've had Jay Lin service my furnace, getting it ready for the winter. He is punctual, very professional, thorough and knowledgeable, answering all my questions in a clear and concise manner. I will definitely be asking for Jay again in the future. I hope there is a Employee Reward Program at Ashton as Jay deserves the recognition! Thank you, Jay! read more

Three years ago Ashton did a good job for us so we hired them again this year. Something has fundamentally changed at Ashton - this time their work was poor, not to code, incomplete, and they were rude and threatening when we asked them to make it right. It appears that senior management changed and now there is nobody doing quality control. The experienced tradespeople and project managers who did great work for us the first time have all left the company. We will never use Ashton or recommend them again. read more

We hired Ashton to install a ductless air conditioning unit for our duplex, and were very happy with the work by Ben and Mike, and the electrician they brought in. They worked quickly and did a tidy job, and were pleasant to have around. When the system needed a couple adjustments after installation, they were able to come back out within a few days. The system works well, and does just what it should. While it was more expensive than we initially thought it might be when we started looking into it, it was worth it both for our comfort at home (I have a medical condition that gives me very poor heat tolerance) and for our peace of mind, since we could tell the job they did was very professional and that we won't end up with any buyer's remorse. We'd actually gotten a much lower quote from another well rated company before speaking with Jeff from Ashton who did the home visit and quote, and the salesman from the other company (who made us sit through an extremely long, irrelevant pitch about their company before he would even discuss options and a quote) actually told us they wouldn't be able to put a unit in our bedroom because it would be too difficult/dangerous to use a ladder to get to the second story of our home (we were a bit perplexed by this). He tried to sell us a cheaper solution that we had a bad gut feeling about, saying it would be just as good. Now that we have the unit Ashton installed in place, we are so relieved we went with them instead, as the cheaper hack of a solution clearly wouldn't have done an adequate job. While it costed more, Ashton's installers had no problem doing the work despite our somewhat challenging duplex structure, and we know we actually got the right system for our home and will be happy with it for years to come. And for what it's worth, while it did cost more than we expected when we started looking into getting AC, a friend had a similar system installed in the states, and they paid nearly the exact same amount, so we're confident this is the going rate for a high quality install. read more

I called and booked a service and was told no charge for coming in and will only give me a quotation and we go from there. The technician showed up and suggested cleaning the water heating system and I asked him to email me a quotation and I will let him know after I talk to the landlord and he agreed!!! Then he called the manufacturer to ask them what part he needs to included in his quotation and I told him not once twice that I have to go to work and he has to leave and he can email me the quotation, he refused and said in order to get quotation he needs to speak to them, and he insisted to wait for them. I told him politely that I need to go to work and he insisted again to wait for them,,,, finally after they answered he figured out what parts he needs and finally he left and all he said before leaving that he will send the quotation by email. 10 minutes later I received a $361.33 invoice from him . I called and the office declined to waive the charges. Worse service ever. read more

We wanted to install an on-demand, efficient water heater to replace our old hot water tank and replace our gas furnace with a Mitsubishi cold weather heat pump. We interviewed four or five different companies and chose Ashton because the advisor, Mo took his time to assess our needs and the challenges of our very limited space. The water heater was installed quickly but shipments of the Mitsubishi were delayed overseas so it took longer than expected to get the heat pump. Mo kept us advised throughout. We are very happy with the crew and the final results of both installations. Mo and his crew get our five stars. read more

These guys are very knowledgeable, personable and professional (Mike, Ron and Patrick). From a repair call out (30+ years old boiler not working), to a quote, to a complete upgrade and install - all was dealt with punctually, efficiently and professionally in less than a week. Highly recommend. Thanks guys for getting our heat back on so quickly. read more

Make sure you get a quote before you commit to this place. $400 for a furnace service call - fixed rate. Could 'transfer' the $75 call out fee into this membership that gives you some 'free inspections' for 3 months along with a couple of free furnace filters and water detectors. Lots of push to upgrade to a newer, more efficient furnace. Luckily a couple of other up sells were declined. $200 thermostat and $400 capacitor replacements. Checked on Amazon and furnace capacitors run for about $25. read more

Ashton is no longer reliable for appointments. They didn't show up for a scheduled appointment last month and didn't even have the decency to call us that they were not coming so we waited the whole day in vain. They rescheduled the appointment for Dec 2 and we called them several days ago to confirm which they did. However, today they called they cannot come on the day they confirmed and wanted to reschedule the appointment for next year. Very unreliable. read more

I arranged a service appointment for my parents who had a leaking garburator every time they ran their dishwasher. Setting up the appointment was fine, the service technician was fine but when it came to the $700 bill, it was not so fine. My parents were told an email would be sent with the invoice. I later contacted Ashton because we didn't receive an invoice. An invoice came the same day but there was no breakdown of the cost so I couldn't determine parts vs labour. When I asked for the breakdown I was told the price was an upfront cost as there was no hourly rate. Not impressed and won't be using them again. read more

I first used them to come and clean out my drains, I must say it was very costly for a simple drain clean.. it wasn't the best job either. The technician seemed inexperienced and had difficulty removing access hatches. Left a very dirty floor and spray on the countertop and walls.. I joined there service membership and when it came time to use my free yearly furnace inspection, I was informed the payment hadn't gone through, so I was technically not a member. I opted out of the membership, but they honoured the free service anyway.. The technician spent a good hour and went over my 25 yr boiler, cleaned it, bled the lines of air..There was no attempt at up selling or having me buy parts I didn't need.. he was professional and clean.. you could tell he loved what he does.. So other than the not so good and pricy drain clean. I would give this company 5 stars.. Oct 30,2017 Called Ashton again for a leak in my home boiler system. They did a thorough job. First they tried to repair it the least expensive way, when that wasn't possible they still gave me 15% off.. technicians were very professional and explained everything in detail.. read more

I recently wrote a 4 or 5 star review for an almost 30,000$ install we had done. They were very professional and did the job quickly in a very friendly manner. Naturally there were a very few problems with this large an install . The exhaust tube for the furnace was to be on the east side of the house but ended up on the west side pointing right towards the neighbours bedroom window- -the off/on swich for the furnace was placed on the wall which prevents the rec room door from fully opening-- and the main floor shower occaisionally gives you a squirt of cool water on its own initiative. As part of the deal we are to have a 2 hour "walk through" when the job was finished. Partly through our fault and their fault we are still waiting. When I phoned yesterday I was told we had received the walk through according to our file. I am waiting for a return phone calll from their salesman Shawn, and I will give you the resulting discussion. Robert Brown. read more

Book a service call a week ago for today. Was told the technician would be here bet 1 and 3. Got a call at 245 from the office to say he will probably not be able to make it today and that the earliest they could come is on Dec 2. How can you NOT give priority to a customer that you have had to reschedule. read more

I have a portable air conditioning unit in our wine cellar. It vents into a hot room and has stopped working. I called this place as they have a great rating and I wanted to have someone come in to assess a better solution for this room and to give me a quote on installing air conditioning into the rest of my home. First of all they have voice mail you have to go through before talking to a live person. Once I got through to Arlene I explained the above and she started talking about how they don't service portable units. I thought maybe I hadn't explained myself properly so I tried again, using different words. I explained I didn't want the unit repaired I wanted advice on how to keep the room cool from someone with knowledge and experience. She reaffirmed they don't work on portable air conditioners. I explained a third time I don't want them to even look at it. I want someone to look at the room, the situation and give me a solution. She then tartly informed me they don't work on portable air conditioners. At this point I tartly informed her I didn't want them to and since she was so obviously not listening to my words I would call somewhere else. Really not impressed. read more

I want to leave a bad review because I hired them to inspect my air conditioning unit and they did not realize a customer could be very upset if a simple inspection would cost almost $700. In the end, the problem was not even solved and they gave me another quote for $2000 if I wanted it repaired. I wished they had told me that it would cost that much just to have a technician come out to look at the problem and let me choose whether I wanted to spend that much. Most service calls from other technicians are around $100-300. I would not recommend them and will never use them again. read more

First these pirates come and charge me $550 to switch out a $10 thermocouple and install a $20 thermostat (which took about 30 minutes). I get it, it's a business, but that's still a prime example of price gouging. But then, to take the cake, as soon as their service guy leaves their salesman comes by and tries to give me a scare-tactic high-pressure close on buying a new furnace from them right away. Kicked him out of my house. I'd rather heat my house with my electric stove for the whole winter than call these guys again. read more

Had a gas line run for a BBQ and the technicians, Dave and Ion, were knowledgeable, efficient and friendly. They came the next day after calling, Al in the office was excellent as well.. They aren't cheap, so had to give 4 instead of 5 stars due to the cost factor .. but one pays for speed and efficiency I guess. Would I use them again ? Yes most definitely. read more

I was looking to have a cast iron kitchen sink and new faucet installed in an older home. I called 4 plumbing companies before calling Ashton. All were either unable, unavailable or unwilling to stretch their service area by 4 blocks, even though I was requesting a date more than 3 weeks ahead of time! Ashton was pleasant and accommodating from the from very first contact. Arlene was very courteous and professional. She arranged to have a technician onsite the next day to spec the job and give me a quote. He was very thorough and inspected the plumbing throughout the entire house and made some recommendations without being pushy. I kept to the original request for the sink and faucet. The date and time were arranged and confirmed at the time of the quote. Arlene called the morning of the install to let me know traffic was delaying the arrival of the technician. No problem for me and very much appreciated the communication. Dave M. arrived approx. 25 minutes late. Extremely personable and professional. Got to work right away cleaning up some of the previous sub-par work that had been done in previous years. Then while installing the sink he found the existing drains I had been told would work by the sales rep actually didn't fit. He called his supplier had them pull 2 for him and he went to pick them up. Upon return he installed everything perfectly. The work area was kept clean and tidy the whole time and all the waste was taken away. I highly recommend Ashton and specifically the team of Dave and Arlene. read more

Thank them for their professional services. Although my English is not very good, they are still very careful to help me explain. I quickly repaired my air conditioning read more

Okay if you are in a jam and need some help. I'm quite sure I was overcharged. But we had a major emergency. They have an odd service structure with many technicians/staff involved in booking and billing. While the senior technicians seem skilled, they are not always the ones doing the work, most are working with multiple apprentices who are making mistakes and need to be taught along the way, taking up more time on big jobs. At our house, apprentice errors needed to be redone/corrected. The guys are all nice enough. But their customer service in their call-in centre are quite deceptive to the point of almost lying. I asked if something could be invoiced differently and the woman on the line said yes she'd check but clearly hadn't (given that she'd emailed me the invoice while we were on the phone - obviously hadn't checked prior to actually sending the invoice on). She also seemed to blame the on site plumber ("he should have...").. It signals non-collegial working relationships, and raises suspicions about who said what to whom about what part of your job/billing, where no suspicions need to be fostered. If I'm paying over 10,000 for major work, you'd think they'd be a bit more accessible to explaining an invoice. Overall, it felt like a too-big company relying a lot on a handful of on-site techs to do the heavy lifting of customer service.. much of which was undone/undermined by their ineffective/flaccid call/support staff. read more

i called their office to get a quote on replacing the hoses from the taps to my washing machine and was told that they do not quote or give a ballpark price over the phone. they would send a technician over for $79 and they will price it after taking a closer look... I was told they do not charge by the hour, only by the job. I was uncomfortable having someone in without any idea how much it may cost. I asked to speak with someone else and was told that there was no one else that would tell me anything different. read more

I hired Ashton to replace my old furnace, add an air conditioner to it, and also install a second ductless air conditioner. I hired them since they seemed to have a lot of positive reviews, and the negative reviews were mainly complaining about the price. I am willing to pay extra to make sure things are done right by professionals, so the price wasn't a problem for me. The installation was supposed to take 3 days. It ended up taking 6. Dates below are approximate, but this whole escapade took two months. June 21: Quote done. Took 3 hours, but it was well worth it to go through the plan thoroughly. Booked for July 5, and July 24/25. Pay half deposit upfront ($9000) July 5: Ductless AC unit installed, went well. Noticed after install that this model does not support heating, only cooling. Would have been only marginally more expensive and I wish they mentioned this during the quote. The room it's in is not connected to the main furnace and only has a fireplace for heat. July 15: Remaining balance charged ($9000), without consent. I have now paid in full for an installation that is 1/3 complete July 24: Did not show up. Claimed they didn't know I had confirmed that day, just that they told me it was available (even though they showed up for the first day no problem). No apology or accepting responsibility. August 5: Installation starts for furnace and second AC unit. Work takes much longer than expected, they warn me they need an extra day August 8: Completely different guy shows up to take over. Doesn't finish (no problem! Just 1 day extra right?), but lets me know the fuse my electrician installed is the wrong size. I call to discuss the issue and they play the blame game, insisting it was my electrician's fault. I then talk to the guy at Ashton that originally told my electrician what to install; he told me it should be a 30A single pole and that they would charge $1000 to fix it for me (my electrician charged $600 for 2 complete AC hookups including fuses, lines, disconnects and pigtails). After my electrician talks to him again it turns out it actually needed to be a 30A double pole; this confirms to me that the original mistake was made by Ashton, and thankfully my electrician was diligent enough to double check the second time. The manager at Ashton refused to accept the possibility that this could be their fault. This would have been a much bigger deal, but my electrician (AJ's Electrical) was incredibly professional and replaced the fuse for free even though he knew it was not his fault. August 15: Completely different guy shows up, again. They try to finish but a part is damaged, something they said their parts/shipping guys should have caught. Instead of getting someone to deliver a part to them, they schedule another day. August 16: Completely different guy shows up, again. They try to finish but the system has a leak. They say they need to come back another day with some equipment that will help them detect where the leak is (again, instead of having someone bring it to them) August 18: One of the guys was the same as before this time, at least. They fix the leak and finish the installation. By the fifth day, I was forced to leave these strangers alone in my home as unfortunately I can't just sit on my ass for 6 days skipping work. The final day I get home from work and think, "at least it's finally done", as I go to adjust the temperature. What's this? This thermostat isn't programmable. What did they do with my 7 day programmable thermostat that was there before? They replaced it with a cheapo manual model (and yes my old one did support AC). Probably was due to having about 100 different installers and got misplaced. I can't find it anywhere. Also my laundry room cupboards were not reinstalled after they took them down to run some lines and pipe. Again, presumably from confusion from having too many cooks. One or two delays/mistakes is normal once in a while with any company, but the systematic delays, mistakes, and refusal to accept responsibility for and replace an incorrect fuse for free after I had paid them over $18000 is not. If you think you can pay extra to ensure a hassle free and professional installation, think again. You're just going to pay extra. I will give their installers credit. They did an excellent job and in the end it looks fantastic and works spectacularly. Must be shitty to be scheduled to finish someone else's partially completed install, so good for them for doing such a great job under those circumstances. read more