0 star SCAM / WASTE OF TIME I called ahead to confirm that the truck was available, and they assured me it was in stock. I trusted them and drove over 2 hours to the dealership. When I arrived, they told me the vehicle had been sold OVER A YEAR AGO. This is not a mistake -- it's false advertising and a complete lack of respect for customers' time. They clearly just want to get people in the door to try to sell them something else. I do not recommend this dealer at all. Save your time and avoid this place. read more

Can't say with 100% certainty it was them but a week after buying a truck from I had someone apply for unemployment benefits under my name. I know that is happening a lot since covid. A week later a had a bunch of charges on my debit card, the one I used for part of my down payment. Could be coincidence but my gut tells me otherwise. I own my house and have excellent credit. I had too "lock" all my credit accounts and start a new checking account also. Just because they have a decent looking inventory does mean you're not going to have problems, the truck I bought has had a few problems they conveniently hid that I'm still dealing with. Buying a vehicle from them should be the least of your problems, there's something dirty going on with those guys. AVOID AT ALL COSTS ! read more

I purchased a vehicle from Silk City Auto a few years ago for my family. The vehicle was towed to us due to distance. We live a few states away. At first I was a little disappointed since the check engine light was on. I took the vehicle to a mechanic who stated it was an expensive repair, but his vehicle had the same issue and has ran for years. I was told it would not affect the performance of the vehicle. It has been several years and the Volvo still runs great! We are a military family and after speaking with the manager he said the vehicle would arrive in clean condition ready for immediate use which I am pleased to say it was very clean! The kids and I love this vehicle. I just wanted to say, "Thank you to Silk City Auto"! read more

We drove 3 hours to buy a truck for $27000. Online it looked beautiful. No issues noted. We put our deposit down before going to hold it. When we got in it stunk of smoke. There were holes in the seats. The ceilings were discolored. Worse was the blinking it made when we drove it. Of course no return of deposit. This review cost me $500 and an entire day off work. read more

They are selling a vehicle for 6k that doesn't even start. What a waste of a dealership. Pleaseeee refrain from going.

I went here on Monday to look at a 03 red mason dump truck. The guy said that there 2 employees down and be Patient with them. No problem. I asked to see you truck it was in the back corner of the lot and they had to move Several vehicles in order for me to take a look. Eric the manager said can I come back and give them time to move the vehicle. I asked what would you like me to do he said call a hour before you come. So I call 2 hours before I came I spoke to the nice lady on the phone ( forgot her name) I'm over an hour away I get there the truck is I the same spot. I walk in Eric is making a sell there 2 people at his desk. I said hi to the lady and she told me someone will be there to help. I wait an hour truck was never move. To make a long story short I was extremely upset. Eric did come outside and see me he would say I was on my phone and he walked back in I would say I respected you making a sell and didn't Interrupt you. That's your excuse you can't give me a minute on the phone after wasting my time. PLEASE PLEASE READ ALL THE REVIEWS PEOPLE ARE TELLING THE TRUTH. DON'T WASTE YOUR TIME!!!!!!!!!! read more

terrible experience I went to see a truck, Nick was helping me. He didn't give me options or help out he was in a rush saying "I have to go!" I was checking out the truck and I got out of the truck and he went to the drivers seat 3 times because he wanted to leave. They had many trucks, he could've showed me them but he was rushing me and didn't help. I don't recommend going to them, my experience wasn't good. read more

They were honest and didn't hide anything. Yes prices are a bit on the high side but the honest truth is your going there because 1 you may have bad credit and need a car or 2 you have the cash to buy it. You get what you pay for. Your not buying a new car. I would definitely go back again. Ppl are fast to put in a bad review because they didn't do their homework. When buying any car it's your responsibility to check it over, Ask questions. My experience was a good one with the dealer. read more

Silk City Auto Mall - Jeep Wrangler - Used Car Dealers Near Me - Paterson, New Jersey

It's been 6 months . First day I got the car it was given to me with NO gas. A week late WHILE on the highway my car shut off. I took the car back to "THE MANAGER" and his bad ass workers and was told it was the throttle. I took it to another mechanic to be told it's the throttle the brakes the pedal and a bunch of other stuff. I took it back to the dealership to be told "cars are sold as is " I've been calling this shop every other day because I was told "find the part I'll pay for it I'll fix it " by the "MANAGER" they "looked" for the part and told me it was on back order I looked for the same exact part more than 3 stores have it in stock I'm calling this place every day to speak to someone and keep getting the run around he's busy he's not around he's with a customer now the new excuse is he's on vacation it's sad they will sell you whatever and just say F it when your having issues as a business you should want to help your customers out when things are going wrong especially if they spent money with you AND ESPECIALLY if they still spending money with you monthly I tried to do it the nice way and just speak to the workers but every day it's some bullshit and it's annoying at this point. I went back to the shop recently and was told to my face oh well yes we sold you a bad car oh we'll deal with it I've replaced 3 parts on the car and still have the same issue do not buy anything from them I will continue to write on here until I cannot anymore so no one else gets fucked over like I did read more

Spoke with "Belkin" over the phone and mentioned I was flying from out of state to come take a look at a vehicle. They failed to disclose to me that both Side air bags were deployed and also the reduced engine power light among other check engine lights were on when I attempted to start the vehicle. This is all in addition to a very beat up exterior which the pictures nor the vehicle description did not accurately show. It only said "1-owner, no accident"... Beware of the misleading advertising and anything they say on the phone. read more

I would be very cautious if you are thinking of purchasing from this dealer !!! we purchased a truck from this dealer within the first 100 miles of driving it the engine light came on which tells me they disconnected the battery to reset the light before they showed us and sold us the truck costing us 700.00 in parts my husband did the labor (its his trade )but he spent about 10 hours on it so if you you think about what it would have cost someone who had to pay a mechanic probably 2500.00 job ! not to mention the sunroof is also broke as is the backup camera! BEWARE we will file a complaint with the BBB the only response we got from the dealer was did you purchase a warranty This was a 28,000.00 truck not a small purchase. awful customer service !!! read more

You can't even walk around the cars they got them stuffed in there not allowed to take him for a test drive

**attention be aware ******take notice of the thumbs up on **negative posts**..because they tell the real story.....most likely the positive posts on here are from people they know or they worked out a deal to get a good review...this is by far the worst used car dealer i've ever encountered i will be following up with a very, very detailed review..................((.reply to owner.))..wife tried to have issues taken care of , but your sales manager eric told my wife ...(after eric supposedly talked to owner)... they are not doing anything about the fraudulent practice they embarked on...she was told good luck....fact...this was supposed to be a gift to me from my wife for me beating cancer 2 times..again all will be revealed very soon...with plenty of pictures...you have chosen to pretend you didn't break new jersey advertising laws...and much more including not disclosing the fact that the vehicle was titled (3) times commercial and had two accidents and odometer alert ..as to correct mileage/discrepancy twice.....information that should have been written in the original ad...which i have ...i save everything.....also,that was not the carfax you showed her...if she was told the proper information she would not ,nor anyone else, buy this vehicle...i had to pull a carfax myself due to continuing issues with vehicle....and yes , carfax is what you used at the time of purchase... since you conveniently left that out of our paperwork that we received and according to eric ,"you don't have it", .....carfax was the only papers conveniently missing in the file ,ours and yours ...interesting. ..oh and let's not forget the extra $1000 charge you put on top of advertised cost...illegal!! ...was told because she was financing car and that's the charge.....or maybe the fact that she was forced / told to buy a warranty otherwise she couldn't get financing...not true according to finance company......this is just the beginning of the story....stay tuned folks....so wife calls back, these idiots say to my wife..per bruce.."had they had the information at the time we purchased the truck they may had done something"...so they told her they weren't doing anything about it,,,, .ummm what???...earth to silk city automall !!!....that's part of being a used car dealer . it's your job ....***your responsibility ***to get all the information about the vehicle's history and produce the correct carfax related to the vehicle....not the "bait & switch you pulled on us and send us on our way with a vehicle that needed brakes and rotors new 4 wheel drive actuators ( 4 wheel drive didn't work )front wheel hub bearings and a new rear........thankfully we made it home safely...she called silk city automall...told them the issues they said it was our problem...so here i am**** a 2 time cancer survivor**** fixing the truck , they didn't even care.... and they were well aware of the fact that my wife was there to buy this truck for a gift to me and i could travel safely to and from scranton ,pa to jefferson university hospital in philadelphia for my chemo appointments...now it's time for the media / news stations to get involved..more to come.. read more

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In this day and age, online consumer reviews are very important for the average person to make rational decisions with their cash and their credit. I can at least empathize with car dealerships with they post back to reviews on cars.com or Yelp expressing compassion for reviewers with negative feedback. That being said, one look at the lowest rated reviews from cars.com shows that whoever is managing their social media is defensive about reviewers feedback and posts specific numbers and negotiations online, as if that is part of their sales tactics. In the past three years (coincidentally they've also only been open for 3 years), they have 3 cases with the Better Business Bureau involving product/service issues. They are not accredited and have an F rating. Ran some test runs on VIN numbers in their lot: 1J4FA24167L142765 | 2007 Jeep Wrangler X Vehicle in accident; disabled and had to be towed. Bought by this dealership. Most others from years 2005-below have extremely low miles for their age. Red Flags on all levels. I would suggest doing business elsewhere. read more

I came to this dealer to buy a Ford F-250 and I was about to purchase the truck when the guy doing the paperwork whispered to me that there was no warranty on the truck. Granted the truck has 255,000 miles on it I would at least say a 30-90 day warranty. Something that shows they stand behind their product. They were selling me the truck for $14,995 and if it broke down I would be out of pocket. When I brought this up to them, Eric started to yell at me and said he's not going to be out of pocket. read more

My wife and I bought two vehicles from this guys and the experience has been a sort of emotions lol, but the truth is that if you're buying a used car from any independent and/or small car dealer the chances of getting a lemon are high. In my case, our credit is not good and this guys were quick to approve us thru Credit Acceptance, I did went to other big car dealers before (Toyota, Honda, Ford etc) but no bank will approve us, so after reading a lot of reviews from different web sites, I come to the conclusion that if you're buying from Silk City or other dealer you should be knowledgeable enough or mechanically inclined to do a proper inspection of the vehicle you're interested, or bring someone else or a mechanic that you can trust to do the inspection for you. It is very obvious that the guys from Silk City DO NOT perform any kind of inspection or repairs previous to sell a vehicle, they will disguise a problem or maybe perform a quick cheap repair just for a quick sell, my wife and I tried various vehicles, we even went under the carriage to see if there was rust or something else, we look and hear at the engine for possible weird sounds, we check the fluids etc. (We're not mechanics but we have owned several vehicles and sadly we have learned from our own mistakes) we did caught several problems in the vehicles we tried, we told Eric (sales manager) and he assure us that he was gonna take care of those problems, even when we were interested and seeing other vehicles, the truth is that they take advantage of people that doesn't know much, but again I believe in this case is a buyer responsibility to do a proper inspection of a used vehicle, short long history, I bought a Ford Ranger for me and my wife choose a Ford Explorer, both vehicles in very nice conditions, interior and exterior, engines and transmissions in excellent conditions, I can't complain about my truck at all, the truck is in excellent condition in and out but not because of the Silk City guys but because the previous owner, but my wife vehicle, even when we tried to do a good inspection it wasn't enough, we took the vehicle to our mechanic because we notice some vibration in the front wheels, and we find out that the control arms were damaged, he also found out that the drive shaft or propeller shaft was broken and bended, rear shocks rusted, he told me that the vehicle was unsafe to be driven like that, thanks God engine and transmission are very good, the total cost of the repair it comes out of our pocket $1800 and there is no way we're gonna get a reimbursement from them. Like I said at the beginning, it has been a mix of emotions since I'm very happy with my truck, no problems at all and it is the truck that I was looking for quite some time, it could had been worse compared to others cases I read. read more

I would NOT recommend buying a vehicle here. Not only do they sell used cars that are priced too high, but they don't deliver on their promises to fix issues with the vehicle you are purchasing in a timely manner. I was assured that a a minor part would be ordered on eBay and installed within days and I waited over 90 days without it arriving with excuse after excuse why it didn't arrive. All this dealership cares about is selling cars at high prices fast to those with poor credit. read more

Vehicle was as described on website. Entire staff was extremely kind and helpful especially given our not so great credit. It was honestly the easiest and most enjoyable vehicle purchase I have ever had. Would definitely go back. Highly recommend. read more

My work truck broke down at the beginning of this winter, I own a heating business so I needed one quick. I saw an e150 van advertised on the internet for $7999 so I came to take a look. The van looked ok so my wife applied for financing and was approved. My first issue which I did not realize until about a week later was that there was $1000 added to the sales price when my wife signed the financing documents. Very deceptive and sneaky, yes she should have noticed it but she trusted that the salesman would have charged us the price that was agreed on which was the asking price. Second is that when I got the vehicle home the entire suspension was shot - front and rear springs and shocks, and it had an exhaust manifold leak. I couldn't register as commercial because of financing. TOOK TOTAL ADVANTAGE OF US! DO NOT TRUST THESE GUYS! read more

Joke of a dealership..very unprofessional....supposedly ""lost my title" ..asking me to drive a vehicle illegally on a 7 hour trip and lose 800 dollars on top of the 12 hour travel time too go get the vehicle and 600 in fuel and room ....they have the nerve too bit even reimburse me ..ignorant assholes on the phone...each one with a different story ..long story short ..months later nonresolve ..no money..no title ...nothing too drive ..credit is ruined and I can't get too work ..do not buy a car from these pathetic jokes ...I intend too sue them for more than the truck even cost st this point !!!!!! Ridiculous!!!!! Walk away do not do business with them at all !!!!! You will lose out majorly as I have read more

I bought a truck in December , it's now May, I still have not received the title, (from what I read, it's not the first time this has happened). I spoke to many people there since last February and get the , " we're looking into it with fedex" ask to speak with owner and am told , "it's impossible" , now the latest, the last time I spoke with someone I was told I am harassing them, "sue us" I was told. I can name everyone involved if anyone is interested. and I should to protect others from this nightmare. I just want my f***ing title. read more

My 21 year old son just bought a used truck from them. They sold him a $1890 extended warranty to take care of the transmission issues he brought to their attention after the test drive. When the transmission needed repairs, he brought it to the repair shop and when the adjuster for the warranty came out he was flatly denied because it had a plow frame on it. He bought the truck and warranty from Silk City with the promise the extended warranty would pay for the repairs. The truck came with the frame on it..... they knew it and still sold it to him. Now I have to hire a lawyer because they are avoiding us. We live in CT. Not only that but the brakes were metal to metal after he drove it home, hanging by a thread. Huge hole in the tailpipe also THEY DO NOT LOOK AT OR FIX ANYTHING!!!!!! BEWARE!!! BEWARE!!!! THIEVES, LIARS ,AND CON MEN!!!!!! I cannot for the life of me figure out how they are allowed to stay in business. Does New Jersey not care?????? Worst experience EVER!!!!!! read more

Every time you talk to them they come up with different prices and every time you talk to him to come up with different amounts for down payment I don't know what they're trying to pull read more

Worst buy I've ever made in my life. Purchased a used AUDI 2015 there and a week later a CHECK ENGINE LIGHT CAME ON, could not even pass inspection, called the Dealer and they would not help out, would not answer phone calls, which lead me to call on the BETTER BUSINESS BUREAU. WOULD NOT RECOMMEND THIS DEALER EVEN TO MY WORST ENEMY! read more

What a waste of time was talking to the guys for a couple days getting everything set in stone to buy a 350z they had on the lot talked on the phone an hour before I went and when I get there they said they sold the car two days ago after stringing me along very terrible service I would not recommend anyone to go to this dealer read more

Purchased a truck from this dealership back in July. Nothing but problems! Was told the truck only needed a back bumper and a AC charge, That was not the case! The engine is bad, Truck does not run at all now! AC system is blown, Emergency brake cable is broken! Truck is a death trap! Went back to get a refund on my money and was told no! Im now stuck with a $8,000 pile of scrap! DO NOT DEAL WITH THESE THIEFS! HOPE THEY GET SHUT DOWN! read more

Great Dealership to deal with. Plenty of pictures which detailed the truck. Truck was exactly as described. The price was more then fair. they handled the paper work quickly. Would definitely buy from them again. they had a great selection of trucks priced right. I drove 2 1/2 hours and was very satisfied. Mike from PA. read more

I unfortunately had the worst customer service at this dealership. Belkis was unprofessional and provided terrible customer service. Upon entrance my father asked to see a car and she said to come back tomorrow and the car would be ready, and when we arrived the next day it wasn't ready. When asked to do a soft inquiry she assumed he would not be approved by looking at him, and denied to do a credit check. In Belkis words, "Even a man with a house and business wasn't approved. I doubt you would even be approved." He was even willing to pay in cash and she still gave him a difficult time about the car. When we came back the next day we asked to see the interior and to test out the car, but she said "are you going to buy the car so we can take it out," with an attitude. At that point we were fed up, so we thanked them and left. If you want terrible customer service and to not get a car, go to Belkis. I can't speak on behalf of the other associates because we didn't interact with them, but she was enough to provide a negative experience. read more

Called from out of state of a vehicle that looked fantastic on-line. Talked with Eric on the phone and asked very specific questions about transmission and 4wd. Was told everything was in good working order and operated as it should. Gave a cc deposit (which they never informed was non-refundable). Traveled with check in hand to get vehicle and vehicle wasn't even close to pictures. They hid damage very well. When I drove it the engine ran great, but brakes were grinding bad. Transmission had horrible slop and play. 4WD shift lever didn't even work, just slid back and forth freely, never engaging anything. Got back to dealership and informed them I would not be buying. This is when they informed me of non-refundable deposit. Do not shop with them on-line. Go to lot to check out vehicles. If you have to get financed, there are better locations. They will cheat you out of what they are able to. Definitely buyer beware. Reputable dealerships refund deposits and present their vehicles in a true fashion. This is not one of those places. read more

This place is terrible. They do not negotiate with you. They don't offer any kind of warranty. They have the worst customer service I've ever seen. They held my plates because they said i owes another 500 on deposit when i signed a paper for them to take it out automatically. Then by the time i got my plates they stamped the 10 day inspection for March 8th and i just got my plates yesterday. The 30th. This is a fly by night dealership that screws ppl when ever they can. Stay away! read more

So if this had an option to not star rate them but offer a written review, that would be awesome. I HAD to pick a star. 1 star for this place. The website and real life could not have been any more different. The lot was a congested junkyard for the most part. If my wife and I had 20 more lbs on us we couldn't have squeezed through the car display. While they had many cars and trucks to show us, according to our specifications, they were very hurry hurry. If my wife said." Oh. that's cool babe." He'd offer the keys and say all the good things about it. Once she said "oh, its automatic." He'd then offer why we shouldn't get it. Fast forward to the 5 minute process it took to buy the truck. We should have known that was WAY to good to be true. But we were really excited to have a new truck, for the beach and drive in It was getting late so we were happy with the quick purchase. Oh, he made coffee, that was a 5 star cup. Turkish coffee is the only good thing that came out of this experience. 5 stars for the coffee!! Once we somehow made it home to PA,the next day I went to get it inspected. WHAT A F****** joke. The entire frame, that you could not see from standing there, was rusted and had holes in it from the rear to the front. I called them immediately, as well as 11 times there after and was always told I would have to speak to the coffee maker, Eric. he was brewing coffee for about 4 weeks in Turkey I guess cause I JUST got a hold of him today. He also gave a cough cough when he said he was sick with the flu for 3 weeks. He said he would have to talk to " somebody else." I couldn't get this truck inspected if I paid them 5 times the amount to do it, with a reach around. To fix this frame would cost 2 times as much as I paid for it. We also were never given a carfax report. Also the breaks were great on the city cruise prior to purchase, maybe that turkish coffee bean oil wore off on the 100 miles we drove home. I contacted the BBB, hoping they will have some sort of resolution with them. Good thing we bought this in August cause the heat don't work. I am very unimpressed with this company. The lot, the customer service, the returning of calls, and disrespect. If the vehicles were in good shape, I admit they would have a good selection. Bottom Line- Check Yelp!, BBB, and carfax. read more

Awful. I bought a jeep wrangler there about two years ago and have had non-stop problems ever since. The Jeep was overpriced and later discovered that it needed a new water pump, radiator, transmission, and heater core. Not to mention that the soft top was busted and they managed to conceal it. On top of that, the staff is rude. Maybe it's because I'm not Turkish or maybe it's because I am female, but anytime I would ask a question they would answer it to my father who came with me (they ended up lying when answering us anyway). Don't bother calling them when there is a problem either. I know they don't really have an obligation to return money, but if you had any intention on having a return customer you would at least apologize and offer to repair it yourself. Or even if they recommended who to go to for repairs that would have been a nice gesture! Their response was "After you sign for the car, it is no longer our problem and we cannot do anything for you". I will never EVER buy a jeep from them again. I would rather search high and low for my next Jeep then settle for this place. read more

Beware of bait and switch I just left the lot little disappointed but not as disappointed as they. They will get you when you walk into the car lot expecting the price that was listed on internet . internet price to them is cash price Plus Sales Tax & Tags. Came to check out a $8,995 truck and was told if I wanted to finance it the price is 10000 Plus Tax & Tags I said wow that was not in in your advertisement. I quickly realized what was going on the old bait-and-switch I said no thank you it is a big jump from $8,900 to $10,000 Plus Tax & Tags too much money for this vehicle with over 200,000 miles on it and a plow. The gentleman said most Cavalier, that's not much of a price jump. I quickly turned around and left after I said thank you. Watch out for bait and switch. read more

I would give 0 stars if I could. I went there to purchase a 2007 Dodge durango and was "assured" that everything was good with the vehicle. I was only allowed to test drive it around the block which wasn't sufficient to see if it drove properly. After sending Motorvise over there to do a press inspection for me, it was revealed that the car needed an axle, slot of paint work was done to hide slot of rust build up, brake fluid was dirty, it had no coolant and they was using the vehicle to tow other vehicles! What a joke of an outfit, beware of these guys you've been warned... read more

Before you purchase a car check EVERYTHING. the car was fine when we got it, but a few miles later a check engine light came on. We immediately called them and told us to bring the car in. Fortunately they fixed ONE of the problems, then the tpsm came on and he tried to tell us that you can't replace the sensor... okay because we have never owned a car previously. Then the light for the o2 sensor came on told us it was just to do the injector fuel to clean it up that the sensor wasn't messed up. Week passed by still on, we ended up replacing it and paying out of pocket for the sensor and as soon it was replaced light was off and hasn't came back on since. Luckily there was nothing major with the car. Ac was also not working and almost all fluids were low. AC was the only thing they fixed and everything else was out of pocket expense.. read more

Very upset with them!!!!! Bought a car from them and they charge me 2000 more then they advertised , 8995.00 charged 9650.00 and game no credit for my cash deposit. Changed bank paperwork and used a electronic signature. Car battery was dead, flat spare tire and no jack. Now they don't return my emails. read more

Best jeep dealer in tri state area. One thing you should know,how to get there. Trusted name "Eminoglu Auto "

Wanted to buy a vehicle but I needed final approval from my bank for loan. They asked me for a Deposit to HOLD the vehicle. Found out next day my bank would not finance that type of vehicle. (Strange but true). They (Silk City) told me to fill out an application on their website and they could get me approved for financing. They said the following day they would need additional information to secure Financing. They asked for a lot of very sensitive information (Full Bank Statements, both personal and business) as well as all my All of my business Records. A lot of the stuff could have been verified on line thru government institutions. It took a few days to get it all together, but I gave them the information. The sales manager called ma back and gave me all kinds of demands. They wanted another 1000 down. The payment plane he blathered on about mad no senses at all. He wanted 85 dollars a week and would not tell me for how many weeks. Long story short they were trying to gouge me. I told them I was going to purchase another vehicle elsewhere and would like my deposit put back on my card. Sales manager said he would see what he could do. I told him I want the money back on my card in no more than 10 days. Needless to say they did not put money back on card I keep sending them emails to return the money, Threaten legal action, and still no interest in doing the right thing. I think they believe they can get away this. I am curious to research how many other people they have tried to do this to and how many people they have actually screwed. I believe I know what they think their angle is but it is very week and will make them pay in the end. read more

DO NOT DEAL WITH THUS DEALER. The vehicles needed work after purchase that we were not aware of. On TWO not just one vehicle. The customer service is the worst I have ever had to deal with. Do not go there if you can avoid them buying a car from Craigslist is safer then this dump. The cars and trucks here are just polished garbage! read more

I found the exact car I wanted on the Internet and was of course wary if the car really existed and since I live on Long Island didn't want to make the drive for nothing. It did exist. I did buy it. I got a great deal and the car has run wonderfully for three weeks now. I've gotten everything checked out and so far so good except the car radio is shot but I knew that when I bought it. I thought the guys here were very nice and forthright. My salesman was a bit much at times but it was ok. Oh and they got pizza while I was there and gave me a slice. Big points Lol. read more