The x-rays, cleaning, and check up were a breeze! The dentists, dental hygienist, and staff are professional and still so personable, that the time flies by. Would recommend them to anyone and everyone that is looking for a competent and compassionate dental practice. Especially if you are interested in new and innovative dental treatments. read more

Always on schedule. Very good about keeping you updated as to what's going on in your mouth. Office is clean and efficient. My teeth are happy. read more

Best office I've been to. Everyone is very thorough and competent, they really take their time with each pt. High tech stuff and everything is explained comprehensively read more

Dr. K and Dr. D are practically magicians with their hands. Perfect service and pain-free. The ladies at the front desk are also super kind and helpful. read more

Dr Duncan and her team are the best dental team I have ever been a patient of. She is absolutely awesome!!! She has excellent technic, state of the art equipment, she explains everything she does very well, you truly feel that she really cares about your comfort and health. Her team is an extension of her leadership style... They are always very nice, answering any questions, flexible in trying to accommodate you and make you feel as comfortable as possible. My daughter discovered Innovative Dental Concepts a few years ago and since all of us are patients... I highly recommend them!!! read more

I think that the clinic and staff are outstanding. Everyone is very professional and what's more, I feel that they are telling me the truth regarding procedures. I think their use of new dental technologies is pretty neat - like the way they do a cleaning. It's more of a dry powder technique. I'm always in and out on time and that's important to me as a working professional. Drs. Kachalia and Duncan also are great for making good referrals as well. read more

The team of Doctors and staff are very friendly, set good expectations and truly get to know you as a person. I highly recommend Innovative Dental!! read more

Best dental practice ever. Dr Duncan is knowledgeable and skillful and very empathetic. No surprises and minimal discomfort. Hygenist very good and thorough. Staff, especially dental assistant Ambrosia are worth their weight in gold. Imagine looking forward to dental appointments! read more

I came here to get a basic checkup and cleaning and the first thing I told them was I was just looking for a new dentist who will not try to sell me on things I do not need as I just finished an Invisalign treatment. They checked my insurance to make sure I was covered. When visiting the dentist immediately they tried to sell me veneers and other cosmetic dentistry. I was then sent several letters and e-mails attempting to collect a very small balance (at that point they should of written it off), this took place after I told the front desk I was no longer going to them and I was going to stay with my regular dentist. My cleaning was fine but the sales tactics I was not a fan of. Make sure there are no hidden costs to your cleaning or treatment. read more

Ok their service and office is 5 stars, however their dental plan they have is very situational as to whether or not it is beneficial. If you are older and do not have dental insurance and have lots of things you need done orally then I would get it. If you are relatively young and only have minor stuff if anything then I would not get the plan. I get my teeth cleaned every 6 months and that costs about $120 bucks out of pocket without insurance or their in house plan. I signed up for their in house dental plan thinking it was a good idea because I needed 4 cavities filled too. Well the first visit did not count as covered because I was signing up while paying. Ok, fine. So I pay full price for the first visit and then pay $40 a month for the next 6 months. I and then got x-rays and cleaning free. Ok well over 6 months of pay yeah maybe that was worth it. Then I got 10% off of 4 fillings and a bone extraction which was done fast and amazingly painless and priced very well. I live 2 hours away now so rather than make me schedule an appointment it was fast enough she could do the procedure right then and there. And let me tell you not only are their skill and equipment top notch but their cleaning techs are very nice people too and the Covid protocols they followed really impressed me quite a bit, like with the air purifier machines they had in each room. OK ok I'm going a little off topic here. So at this point I am feeling like hey maybe I am a little ahead with this plan thing. Fast forward to now, it has been 6 months since my last cleaning and I haven't gotten any other procedures or x-rays in 2 years and now I started a new job so I had to cancel my scheduled cleaning. They are only open Monday through Thursday so that kind of stinks for me having just started a new job and not really being able to take that time off work. Then to boot to reschedule it will be a 2 month additional wait. Okay so now I have paid in $240 at this point and by the time I get a cleaning it will be another $80 in plan dues plus I will wait an additional 2 months. I mean I get it, they are busy and they didn't force me to chose this plan. I guess I am more upset with myself then anything about this whole payment plan and having to move away from a dentist I like. It's just a cluster of emotions and hardships. That being said their staff is very nice and even though I am upset with their dental plan and I am canceling it and going to a local dentist for cleanings from now on, I will still call and schedule any bigger procedures to be done here. I trust them a lot. Like a lot a lot. I don't trust their in house dental coverage plan but I trust their equipment and skills. I don't know how many of you have had cavities filled but I had only ever had one done before coming here so I did not have much to compare. During the procedure they recline the chair back fully so you are lying down and looking up watching a TV. They ask you what you would like to watch. SUPER COOL. They put headphones on you so you can listen to it which is so so so so nice. You don't have to hear them working on your teeth. I did not have any scary thoughts like I usually do while getting my teeth worked on as I was not focused on it. I was watching Pscych on Netflix lol. Anyways I guess I was tired when I went in but the chair was so relaxing I literally had to try to keep myself from falling asleep, mainly because if I did I think my head would move like crazy lol. Anyways I don't even remember how long the procedure was and honestly, yeah right after I knew I had had it done but now, 2 ish years later, I can't even tell and all I remember thinking back on it was how relaxing it was to sit there and watch Psych. I think that pretty much sums up how awesome they are at dental work. You don't think about it while it is happening. You are pretty relaxed, and not in a weird waterfall sounds and Enya music kind of way lmao, and in the end you could genuinely forget that you ever had anything done in the first place. Thats why even though I live 2 hours away I will still go here for bigger things I need done. read more

I've been going to Innovative Dental for 15yrs+ and have had quite a bit of work done, both Dr Duncan and Dr Kachalia are fantastic. Highly recommend them both and the staff and dental assistants are also amazing. read more

Dentistry at its best!!!! Love this team and their staff are so caring and helpful. Truly touched by their greatness! Stephanie is an amazing and friendly dental hygienist who has always treated me with the utmost care. Liz and Ambrosia are both warm and sweet. I never ever thought I'd say this but I was very fearful of dentistry after several bad experiences many years ago. This team got me over that fear and now I actually enjoy my visits. Dr Duncan you have worked wonders on my attitude and comfort level. It's because of you I confronted my fear and even got my widows removed proactively! Thank you my dental angels! read more

Have had many dentists, and by far one the best!! Super friendly staff and amazing dentist with tremendous experience. They use the latest technology and techniques. An honest business too. My family loves it here. So happy and lucky to have found them. Highly recommend. read more

Wow! If I could give more stars I would! I haven't been to the dentist in *gasp* 10 years! I was nervous but more excited to start getting my teeth fixed up. That's when I found Dr Kachalia and his team, who are all just wonderful! The office is just gorgeous! Not like an outdated, old school dentist office. So modern and new! I've been to the office twice now, the first time for exams and a cleaning and the second time was today. I had a bigger appointment today that lasted around 3 hours and was shocked when the asked, "Hulu or Netflix?"!!! I mean what a way to make the appointment go by so much faster and way more relaxing.bi had some headphones and just tuned out. And I thought they were kidding when they said they said they'll turn on the massage chair but they weren't! But more seriously, Dr. Kachalia is just great! He very professional and kind, he's thorough and made sure I was in the loop about all my dental needs. He sat me down and showed me all my teeth and explained everything in detail to me. And his staff, they are incredible. Friendly and professional!!! I might be one of the only people who looks forward to their dental appointment! 10 star rating!! read more

I sure loved this dentist until this past year. I was really disappointed in their ability to reschedule. I work in the veterinary field and I was monitoring anesthesia for a patient. The surgery went over and I missed my appointment. They are now sending me letters to pay the fee of not giving 48 hours. How was that possible in my situation? Life happens! I've never cancelled an appointment with them in the past. When I try to reschedule they are booking out six months. 3 months went by and I moved jobs. So I called to change the day of my appointment because my day off changed. They called back they they are booking out 4 months. So not only did I have to book 6 months out the first time but now another 6 months to get a new appointment. I have called multiple times to speak with someone and no one calls me back. I was really bummed because she is an excellent dentist and always so lovely and gentle. Time to move on. read more

I'm writing this review for Dr. Duncan and Kachalia. After looking for a dentist to help my wife fix her front teeth, I figured I would go for a check up since I haven't established my long term dentist. Dentistry can be scary these days considering many corporate offices are being opened and it's just hard to find people you trust. I can confidently say these 2 dentists show true ethics and professionalism, and at the same time provide a genuine and comfortable experience. My wife and I have received several fillings and each appointment was easy and comfortable. Their injection techniques to help numb the teeth were so pleasant it was hard to think you were getting a shot. And on top of that, they have a certain appliance that can help reduce the numb sensation afterwards, which made the rest of my day comfortable. They both are also on top of the latest dental technologies, as I learned Dr. Kachalia is a well-respected lecturer on dental materials. Combining both their expertise and awesome patient chairside manner, I don't see why families would not choose them as their dental providers. Finally, the staff are very friendly and accommodating. If you need a specific day for an appointment and the schedule appears to be full, they will place you in a waitlist and call you once there's a spot open. That shows true commitment to making sure you're taken care of! I drive from a city several towns away but I plan on continuing to see them for my dental needs. Highly recommended! read more

Dr. Duncan and Dr. Kachalia have an excellent practice. I have been Dr. Duncan's patient for eight years and she is the best dentist I have ever encountered. I have had small and major work done and Dr. Duncan has consistently demonstrated her extreme competence. Not only does she have the hands of a fairy when she touches my teeth and gums, but she has the most wonderful cheerful and compassionate personality. I have also been Dr. Kachalia's patient a few times and he is as competent, gentle and compassionate as Dr. Duncan. Their offices are beautiful and they have state-of-the-art equipment which helps make a patient's experience the best possible. I also want to mention that everyone who works in their office is always friendly and pleasant. Thank you all, you are the best! read more

This office and staff are awesome!! I haven't been to the dentist in a very long time and was sooo nervous and afraid. They are very gentle and patient and make sure you are comfortable the entire time. The staff are also extremely friendly and understanding of someone who was terrified upon walking in. The facility is very modern and clean! I would recommend this place to anyone looking for a dentist office to go to. read more

Im so happy I found this dentist! My co workers referred me to these two dentists. They are so gentle and kind. I have had very bad experiences with dentist in the past which causes a lot of anxiety and fear, however innovative dental has made going to the dentist a positive experience. I even started flossing! Very happy patient :) here! read more

Why haven't there been any recent yelps? My guess is that we don't want to give away our secret and keep our favorite dentist to ourselves. From the front desk, hygienist and then Drs Duncan and Kachalia I can't begin to say how much I love their practice and results. I haven't been more confident with my care and smile. This is home, let them take care if you. I like the detail work Dr. Duncan has made to care for and fine tune some of my previous crown work, just beautiful and even the hygienist didn't notice the upgrade until I mentioned and complimented the doctor. Liz at the front your are my families lifeline, many thanks IDC!!! read more

As the anesthetic wears off from my appointment earlier this morning, I thought I would take a few minutes to express, once again, my deep appreciation for this handsome couple who have found their calling in life. Truly, Parag and his charming wife Charity are doing just what they are meant to do, and they do it superbly. First and foremost, they have the best personalities of any dentists I've ever been to. Their "bedside manner" is kind, informative, professional, gentle, caring, and encouraging. Equipped with all the latest technologies, they work swiftly and efficiently, and seem to really enjoy their work. That is a comforting feeling for a patient, as opposed to other dentists who can be technical, aloof, and often less friendly. Duncan and Kachalia are happy, cheerful people who also happen to be professionally skilled in the delicate work that they do. I have known them for over a decade and I'm grateful they are located nearby and make my dental visits less stressful every time. I would also like to add that their assistants are also equally good-natured and efficient in their work. It makes a big difference in a usually uncomfortable situation in the dental chair. read more

As a busy individual, I made going to the dentist one of my last priorities. After repeated prodding from my wife about how good this place was, I tried them out for a cleaning and checkup to see what she was raving about. I mean, it's a dental office -- who raves about that? Well, after my visit, I could easily see why she was so happy. The facility is cozy and modern, the staff there is professional and friendly, and the experience was actually pleasant. Upon my arrival, I was greeted by Dr. Kachalia, who happened to be heading out the door. He took the time to pause, smile, and welcome me to his practice. (My other dentist would have probably bolted out the door.) His wife, Charity, thoroughly and clearly explained her findings in a manner that was easy to digest. And my hygienist did a fantastic job. They actually seem passionate about what they do there! Given my profession and attitude towards life, that is important to me. Needless to say, I left my other dentist and found my new, permanent office to take care of my dental health. Highly recommend. ~ JC JC Image Design read more

I have been going to Innovative Dental Concepts for over 6 years now and Dr. Duncan and Dr. Kachalia are amazing! They are always attentive to your concerns and needs. They are very clear and concise on their procedures and are always happy to answer any questions/concerns with a smile! The staff are always very friendly and warm. Thank you for taking so much pride in what you do! read more

We recently moved from Texas and needed dentist. After reading the reviews on Yelp, my wife and I decide to give Innovative Dental Concepts a try. They had a high bar to meet, our dentist in Texas had a state of the art practice. Dr. Duncan and team didn't miss a beat. The first exam was very thorough and she offered some proactive and preventative suggestions. I subsequently had an old filling and crown replaced, she explained the procedure easing my anxiety. It was painless. They also provided music and Netflix, NCIS is a great distraction while in the chair. They have clearly embraced technology and they appear to be early adopters leveraging 3D imaging of my dental structure. This will help overtime to determine excessive ware patterns and other things. I would highly recommend Innovative Dental Concepts, they have a great team and they really care for their patients. read more

This is the very 1st review I have ever written! The reason I want to do it is because Dr Kachalia had done such outstanding jobs in replacing my fillings! My wife had done lots of research and had interviewed many different dentists in the area, we just wanted to find the best one! Since I had bad experience with one particular dentist many years back, I was reluctant to change the dentist that I was having. But after seeing the results that Dr Kachalia had done in replacing my fillings, my teeth looked like new! It just amazed me how skillful he is! The dentistry skill that he has provided is excellent bar none! I'm so happy that I have found the right dentist finally! read more

I will be honest, as a prior dental hygienist I am extremely hard on dental offices. I expect a great deal not only from the dentist, but from their staff. This review is more about the staff than the dentistry. I was referred here by several friends after my dentist retired. I saw Dr. Charity Duncan. I needed multiple fillings re-done as the previous fillings were 30 years old. Dr. Duncan was great. She was thorough, explained everything well and was highly competent. I cannot complain about the quality of her work as she did a tremendous job. However, during the course of my work, the person who gave me the initial quote on my work left employment at the office. My initial quote gave me a breakdown of the work needing to be done, my insurance portion, and what my portion would be. They also recommended a dental guard due to teeth grinding and told me it would be covered if I waited until the next calendar year. I would have to pay 20%. I went in the following January, and had the dental guard made and paid my portion. Over 6 months later, I received a statement billing me for the full amount. They had never gotten verification from my insurance company of coverage. So I got hit with an unexpected $485 charge. I was furious. Calling to confirm coverage is literally the bare minimum in this situation. If I had known, I could have made a decision on if I wanted to pay out of pocket or not. Once the work is done, you no longer have that choice. I was not offered a discount on the device until I made a big stink about their error. After this, we had a few other issues. My husband was referred to another provider for an extraction who was drunk. Yes, it wasn't at this practice but they did refer him to this other provider. And we got hit with several other bills for other family members 6 to 9 months after the work was done when we were not expecting these expenses. The only statement I ever received was for the night guard, the rest we would be asked to pay at our visits. For work done over 6 months ago that we barely remembered had been done. The final straw was that I have a difficult schedule as I am also a healthcare provider, and waited 7 months for my next cleaning appointment. I was called a few weeks before my appointment and told that the practice would no longer be open on Friday and they would be moving all their appointments to Wednesday. I can't come on Wednesdays because I have a full patient load on those days. Other providers would have honored the appointments they already had scheduled instead of just closing those days down, and stop booking further appointments on Fridays and transition their new appointments to the alternate day. But not this one. They had no consideration for the needs of their patients and their schedules at all. When my daughter went in for her cleaning and was asked to pay $145 dollars for prior dental work yet again without a statement, I was done. I asked her to call and request a full statement with charges, insurance paid portion and our portion listed, and instead they sent a receipt of payment. It just didn't sit well with me because it felt like they weren't being honest as to the charges they put on the patient. I decided to go to another dentist. I contacted Innovative Dental Concepts 3 times. Once by text, once by email, and once by regular snail mail letter to request that they send the dental work records to my new dentist. I expected that they would contact me and tell me their was a modest fee to send the records, but instead they never contacted me and my new dentist was unable to obtain the records as well. It's a shame, as I think Dr. Duncan is a fine dentist and I would have continued as her patient if I felt the financial integrity of this practice was honest. read more

We are so glad we found Dr. K and Dr. D's practice! My husband works in the dental industry. And even so, it's hard to find the perfect dentist. Dr. K and Dr. D are both skillful clinicians, compassionate individuals, and always do a great job making you feel at ease in the dental chair. I would highly recommend them to anyone looking for a new dentist in the Easy Bay. read more

It's VERY hard finding a good dentist these days and there are tons of them out there who didn't attend one of the few accredited schools for Dentistry; not sure if the Dentists have here as I don't recall but they must have otherwise I would not have paid them a visit. For a while I used to get all my dental work done in Michigan when I was there throughout the year to visit my family, but my dentist there wasn't able to fix an issue I was having with one of my teeth so I decided to visit the Dentists at Innovative Dental Concepts and was pleasantly pleased that they weren't trying to sell me a box of goods for my teeth like everyone else. It was also nice that the male dentist here is actually affiliated with some School or Institution where he teaches and studies new advances in Dentistry. It's these kinds of people who should be dentists as they love what they do and want to be at the leading edge of things. On a side note in regards to other Dentists and Experiences that I've had in California: Don't EVER trust ANY dentist that you go to using one of those $49 exam/ x-rays, cleaning, etc... deals on as they'll always tell you that you have 6 cavities and offer to help repair them for $110+ each. I actually had this happen to me once when I was in college under the same boat where I didn't have insurance but needed to get my teeth cleaned. Once I graduated, got a job, and had dental insurance I went to a dentist in Michigan and was told I only had 1 cavity which he fixed. It also seems to be the foreign dentists that I've come across who try to do/pull this, and this guy was an Asian guy. Wish I could remember the place, his name, or more as I would surely report him so he wouldn't be able to damage good teeth for a buck. I used to come here when I had Dental Insurance back in 2008 but since then I've learned that the Individual plans don't really cover anything and tend to be even more expensive then just paying for the cleanings yourself. Unfortunately I'm self employed and would be looking to get an individual plan because of the Tax Deduction so I was hoping I could get a plan that covers me and that they accept but they don't accept most insurance plans so I haven't been back since :-( It still amazes me when I talk to people and they recommend their dentist, especially and old ex-girlfriend of mine from many years back who recommended her family dentist. That dumb guy damaged the enamel on her teeth when she was a kid having her braces taken off, heck NO I would never go to that dentist!!! read more

Definitely a great experience at the Innovative Dental Concepts. I love Dr.Duncan and Dr. Kachalia, they definitely make an excellent team together and have so much patience. I've had several cavities done there and I couldn't believe it was completely painless. Dr.Duncan was so gentle and took the time she needed to make it a good experience for me. I truly appreciate her patience. The dental office is very clean and modern and very family friendly as well. The staff there are really great and friendly too. Definitely a great place to go if you're looking for a dentist around town. read more

So if you are looking for the best dentist office in the Bay look no further. The staff is professional and always do a kick ass job. The office is modern and exceptionally clean. I am use to the standard old school cleaning but at Innovative Dental they use the proven cutting edge cleaning techniques. I had the Guided Biofilm Therapy cleaning and it's a mind blower! So my teeth felt cleaner and my gums were less sore then the normal cleanings I use to get. Almost no manual scraping during the cleaning. If you have a chance I highly recommend that you try this new method of teeth cleaning it's literally a game changer. There are certain things in the world that are revolutionary like the wheel, electricity, internet, and now there is Guided Biofilm Therapy. I almost never write reviews but I had to about this. Dr Duncan, Dr. K, and the staff will do an excellent job and treat you right. Keep it 100. read more

I started as a patient of the previous dentist who sold his practice Drs. Duncan and Kachalia. The previous dentist was simply amazing, and I felt comfortable that anyone he sold his practice to would be equally good. I definitely was not disappointed. Every member of the staff is incredibly helpful, friendly and explain things in a very easy to understand manner. They also explain what you need to do immediately and what procedures can wait and their ethics are top notch. While your mileage may vary, when I was in getting a filling they noticed a small groove in my tooth that could easily turn into a cavity and offered to seal it during that appointment at no additional charge! I am a dental wimp, but these dentists make the experience as painless as possible, and it's well worth the drive from Vallejo to San Ramon to keep receiving the best dental care possible. read more

It's been a real blessing to have found Dr. Kachalia. His patience, care, and easy-going demeanor have made every appointment not only a completely painless experience, but a pleasure as well. My mind is at ease each time I sit down in the chair because I know I'm in the best hands possible. I cannot offer high enough praise to Dr. Kachalia, Liz, and the rest of the team. read more

Dr. Duncan is hands-down the most gentle and competent general dentist I have come across. The process from exam through treatment was quick and friendly with great staff and doctors. Dr. Duncan's touch is wondrously light, making the anesthetic and treatment so easy. She showed me step-by-step what was happening through incredible technology. The final restoration was completed so well, I never notice it's there. I put my trust in Dr. Duncan as my dentist! read more

Love Dr. Duncan! Her staff is friendly and she's just the best. She takes the time to explain everything to you and is very thorough. I didn't think I could learn anything new about my teeth and oral care, but I did. :-) I'm pretty certain it was the best cleaning I had ever had in my life. I would even take my kids to her if they didn't already love their pediatric dentist. I also had to go back in for a filling and they were super quick and painless. In and out within an hour. The new office is high tech so you can relax and watch a movie all the while you're getting a filling. Easy peasy and I would definitely recommend this office. read more

...Many REGRETS for not knowing/meeting Dr. Duncan and the staff before...Dr. Duncan is the absolute best Dentist! She is cheerful, kind and highly skilled. She listens to your concerns and offers the best solutions for your dental needs. The clinic is very high tech, modern and spotless as I am very particular about cleanliness. I am 100% sure that my last two visits with Dr. Duncan were the BEST ever! And I have more visits to come in the near future...Thank you for making me feel safe and special! I highly recommend Dr. Charity Duncan in San Ramon. read more

If you want to go to the absolute best Dentists, look no further. Seriously. Stop now. Stop searching on yelp. Stop talking to your friends. Just stop. Saving you a lot of time here. We've been going to Dr. Charity and her husband as a family for over 5 years. First class, painless, kind, efficient, warm and wonderful. Yes, I did say painless. Both Dr. Charity and Dr. Parag have excellent bedside manner and are technically off the hook with their mad skills. As someone who was traumatized going to the dentist growing up, visiting this office is always something we look forward to. It's like hanging out with friends while getting the best dental care possible. Both my husband and I have had cosmetic work done with them. Perfection. Only wish we did it sooner! And the kids are always excited to see them. Can't ask for anything more! read more

I hated going to the dentist but I recently changed to Dr. Duncan and now feel much better about having work done. My first visit was an emergency with a cracked crown and she fixed it on the spot. I have gotten two shots so far and they were painless. Not kidding!!! read more

I took my two year old daughter for her first dental appointment here. Dr. Duncan was so wonderful and paitent with her, my daughter even got a prize from the treasure chest after her appointment. It was so stressful trying to find the right dentist to take my daughter to, I needed someone who was patient, friendly and a person who truly enjoyed kids. Dr. Duncan far exceeded my expectations. My daughter is even excited for her next appointment, we can't wait. Also the office is clean and all the staff is very friendly... and I didn't have to wait even 5 minutes for our appointment. I would recommend Innovative Dental Concepts to anyone without pause! read more

I broke my two front teeth around 1:30 p.m. on Thursday and my regular dentist was out until the following Monday. After looking at several reviews through Yelp and other sites, I was convinced that Innovative Dental Concepts was the way to go. Dr. Duncan was able to squeeze me in at 4:15 and she did an amazing job! No one can tell that I had my two front teeth fixed! Dr. Duncan and her assistant work seamlessly together, it is amazing to watch. And the front staff are great to work with too, letting me hold off on the paperwork while Dr. Duncan fixed my teeth. I am very thankful to have found Dr. Duncan and am officially switching dentists to Innovative Dental Concepts. She does amazing work and you can tell that she truly cares about the patient and the quality of work that is provided. read more

After looking a long time for a dentist our daughter would LOVE we finally found one! WE LOVE THIS OFFICE! Everyone is so nice and caring. Our daughter had to have several cavities filled and teeth pulled and she felt completely at ease with Dr. Duncan and Dr. Kachalia. We will be going back for several years to come. read more