My experience with In and Out Floor
This all started with a Facebook ad that I saw on Oct 20 2023 posted by In and Out Floors about 'Enter for a chance to win up to $5,000 towards your floor'. My project was to have carpets removed and the original wood floor refinished.
I clicked the link and filled out the FB form. Almost immediately I got a phone call from them asking for a no pressure sales pitch. A salesperson called Tim Kolasa came over the next day. His original quote was $8,000+ (if I remember correctly). After a lot of talks and texts and me getting a quote from another company to compare, they eventually came down to $4,500.I even felt bad about negotiating down to such a 'low' price. I asked Tim if he would still get enough commissions from my project. Later, when the issues below happened and I texted Tim initially, he didn't even bother to respond.
Things that Tim told me:
1. They will do three coatings.
2. I'll have life-time warrantee. If I have any issues, just call.
3. They will start my project within a week - meaning in Oct 2023.
4. They will have a team of people coming over and finishing it in a couple of days. He said, 'that's why we're called In and Out'.
Later the scheduling guy called and told me they scheduled me on Nov 6 or 13. I told him this wasn't what Tim said, but I accepted it. On the scheduled day, no one showed up. I called their office. Apparently, my project wasn't even on their list. They then put me on Monday Nov 27. Nov 27 came. One person (Leland) showed up. I was like.....are you gonna be In and Out? I contacted the manager Jeff Cramer. He said Tim was incorrect (lying?), and they only had one person for my project. I once again accepted it.
On Dec 5 (the 7th day of my project), Leland came and told me this was the last day. It didn't look to me he could finish it on that day, but I decided to trust him. I could tell he was in a rush the whole day. At 4:30, he told me he had to turn in my paper to the office by 5pm. Otherwise he wouldn't get paid. He said he would come back later to finish the quarter round on the bottom step and paint my walls. I did not want him not to get paid and I trusted him, so I signed the paper and let him go. I even gave him a biiiig tip, and he was shocked.
The issues I found later (besides the project was not finished):
1. All the stair quarter rounds were installed on top of nails and staples. There were big gaps between the quarter rounds and the risers.
2. There were floor stains all over my walls/stair risers throughout the house. I wasn't even going to mention this since Leland was coming back to paint my walls.
3. All my closet doors weren't put back. Until this day they're still in my garage. Again, I wasn't even going to mention this since he was going to paint my walls.
2024 came. I waited for a few days, but Leland didn't contact me.
* On Jan 6 (a month later), I finally texted him. No response.
* On Jan 8, I texted him again. No response. I then texted Jeff.
* On Jan 11, I texted Jeff again. Leland then texted me he would come over that night. At 5:44pm, Leland texted he wouldn't be able to make it and would come the next day.
* On Jan 12, Leland didn't show or text.
* On Jan 15, Leland texted he would come in the afternoon. Then, no show or text again.
* On Feb 2, I texted Leland. He said he would come on Feb 5.
* On Feb 5, Leland didn't show. I texted him. He texted he would come the next day.
* On Feb 6 (2 months later), Leland finally came. After he left, I found he didn't remove those nails/staples. I texted him. No response.
* On Feb 9, I texted Jeff the manager.
* On Feb 12, I texted Jeff again.
* On Feb 19, Donald came to my place, removed dozens of nails and staples.
* On Feb 19, while I was showing Donald issues, I noticed that 1) some quarter rounds weren't cut properly and 2) one step wasn't stained properly - because Leland was in a rush. So, I texted Jeff. Remember they promised to do three coatings? With three coatings, the step still looks like that? (picture attached)
* On Feb 21, I texted Jeff again.
* On Feb 22, Jeff called and told me that I signed the paper, my project was done, and there's nothing they would do for me anymore. I told him I only signed the paper so that Leland could get paid. He kept saying 'sorry. You signed the paper'. Then I said what about the life-time warrantee that Tim promised. He couldn't comment on that and only kept saying 'you signed the paper and we're done'. He even blamed me dragging things on the stairs and that caused the strain coming off. I said how come other steps are ok if I dragged stuff. Besides, if the stain could come off so easily after three coatings, what does this say about their quality?
This whole ordeal all started with the ad this company posted on FB. Has this company ever made the draw? Has anyone won the $5,000? I haven't seen anywhere. I will consult the government about their business conduct and possibly file a complaint. read more