Zero communication and/or lack of organization affected every aspect of purchase and delivery. Shane in Sales sold me exactly what I needed based on the list of needs I gave him. read more

I had a very frustrating experience with Camping World. I inquired about a 2017 Forest River camper they had just listed for $6,900. The salesman, JO, was upfront that it had hail damage and some minor water damage on the bunks and that it was being sold AS IS. That was fine with me, and I told him I wanted to move forward with purchasing it. He said I could leave a deposit, but since he wasn't working that day, his manager Jared would call me back. He assured me the camper would be secured for me. Unfortunately, I never received a call from Jared. Instead, the listing suddenly disappeared, and I was later told it had been "mispriced" because of high interest. That explanation doesn't add up. It feels like the price was simply raised after they realized multiple people were interested--right in the middle of my attempt to buy it. That's not just frustrating, it's unprofessional and misleading. Based on this experience, I would not recommend doing business here. Proceed with caution. read more

I purchased a destination camper from Camping World in April, and it is now September. I have yet to receive the camper. The process of renegotiating the price on the trade-in and the new camper after the deal was made has been challenging, and communication has been difficult. It seems there is a lack of coordination. Furthermore, two items require repair, and I have not been informed of a timeline for completion. I wish I had known about the negative reviews of Camping World on YouTube before making my purchase. read more

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Camping World RV Sales of Lincoln, Nebraska is Fraudulent and deceptive practices. Was required to place a $500 deposit to hold a camper pending its cleaning. My wife and I were told it was just a hold deposit and it was refundable. There was no contract and no signed agreement. The camper wasn't going to work for us and notified them twice of our decision and requested refund. Now we have been getting blown off by Shad the salesman, Sean and Norm who alleged they were managers. Still no refund and no one will take a call, even reached out to the owner Marcus L. Do yourself diligence and research the company and run away they have multiple complaints of fraudulent deceptive practices and are NOT accredited with the Better Business Bureau. They are all arrogant thieves who think they can talk down to you. Reviews for Camping World are overwhelmingly negative, citing significant issues with customer service, poor quality work on RVs and repairs, high-pressure sales tactics, and deceitful practices like duct-taping holes and failing to complete promised service work. Many customers report being unable to get promised warranty work resolved and facing communication blackouts from the service department. While some individual locations and customers have reported positive experiences, the consensus on platforms like Yelp and Facebook indicates a pattern of poor service. Common Complaints Poor Service & Repairs: Many customers report inadequate, unfinished, or low-quality repair work, including duct-taping holes and failing to address pre-existing issues before selling a unit. Warranty Issues: Numerous complaints detail the inability to get warranty work done, with service departments failing to return calls or schedule necessary repairs for extended periods. Deceitful Sales Practices: Customers accuse Camping World of misrepresenting the condition of RVs, such as assuring them there were no leaks when there were, and failing to perform the promised "200-point inspection". Poor Customer Service: Experiences with customer service are often described as condescending, unhelpful, and unresponsive, with some customers reporting being ignored after calls and messages. Financial Misrepresentation: Some customers have noted issues with the sales contract itself, suggesting it is written to favor Camping World and can lead to financial difficulties. Advice for Potential Customers Be a "Educated and Read Contracts Carefully: Understand the terms and be aware of clauses that protect the company rather than the buyer. Consider Alternatives: Research and compare other dealerships, as some customers have found better experiences elsewhere. read more

Very expensive (($175 an hour). There wasn't any sense of urgency. The bill ended up being twice what I expected and I'm not sure what was done and what wasn't. At the end I just wanted to get my rug back and move on. I don't recommend Camping World Council Bluffs. read more

Awful communication I had to call multiple times a day just to see where we were at. Was told they would call me back and wouldn't call me back for days it took 6 days to make any bit of progress. They made me put money down to hold a camper and then when I call them to get it they already sold it. read more

Since we are snowbirds, we go to lots of Camping Worlds around the country. Most like this one are hit and miss with respect to customer service. I have been to this location 3 times trying to give it a chance. From the entry where you are met by an indifferent greeter to the service people who either are condescending or cannot hide their smugness when you ask a service question. I won't give it a 1-star because they do sell stuff. But you are on your own as you maneuver around the store. Just don't expect much. read more

Check your paperwork! My wife and I got a camper recently beautiful love the thing but we took out a financial loan through them and we told them we're gonna plan on paying it off by the end of the year anyways we just did it to get the camper at the deal. They wanted me to add insurance but I told him that's not necessary since I'll be paying it off shortly. Well, when I went to it a couple weeks later I noticed that they had $1000 charge on there for gap insurance, which I strictly told them I didn't want because we didn't need it. Just a few things that they, do without you noticing and signing everything it's on me for not thoroughly reading the paperwork better but just warning you read more

We took our camper to Camping World in Council Bluffs for a check up as we had not been able to use it due to illness in the family. Thank goodness my husband made a list of things to be checked. The issues that could have been potentially major issues down the line were fixed. However, relatively minor issues were simply ignored or were deemed unfixable. We had two ceiling vent covers which were cracked. Both needed to be replaced. One was replaced. The furnace door would not stay closed. He asked that it be replaced or fixed. The man he told about this acted like he didn't know how to fix such a simple thing. So it was ignored. The antenna on the radio needed to be replaced. The repairman told him Camping World could not replace it, and didn't know where it could be taken to be to be replaced. The biggest issue occurred with the battery itself. Camping World did not replace it, but simply towed the rv out to the parking lot with a dead battery and left it there. We walked back to the repair area to get a battery because we had already hooked the truck up to the rv. We were told we had to go to the front of the store to buy one. So we bought one. We returned to the repair area to ask if we could borrow a wrench to replace the old battery. The man behind the counter said he didn't have one....BUT, we could wait 30 more minutes and the repair area could install it......for yet another $139.00 on top of the $1600.00 we paid. We walked up to the front of the store and asked if they had a wrench we could buy. The man walked over to all of the nifty rv accessories Camping World carries. Guess what? No wrench. My husband is handicapped and has a prosthetic leg. Guess who watched him walk back and forth to our camper instead of thinking outside the box and offering to lend a helping hand? Those wonderful people at Camping World. They know how to say "thank you", and "I'm sorry". They just don't know anything else. We also heard that they don't work on "old rv's" and we were lucky to get ours in, even though we bought it from Camper World in 2011. As a PS, we had our rv in for repairs while it was under warranty. The water tank sensor didn't work. Surprise, after looking at it twice and declaring it reparied, the sensor has never worked. We thought it would be great to know when we were getting low on water. Unfortunately we still don't know. read more

Might want to update your store hours. I drove over a hour for parts today,Sunday December 21, 2020 cause I googled your hours and they said you was open!! read more

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We bought a camper from them and it had many small things wrong with it. They had it for 5 months. When we got it back the back up camera no longer worked. If you leave it sit for more than a week all the batteries go dead. It is a 2023, what's wrong with that picture? read more

My father in law brought his 2016 Winnebago Ellipse to this location to have them fix their master bedroom slide. It has been a YEAR. A YEAR, and the slide still is not fixed. He went out of his way to order the part for them. The excuses are beyond ridiculous at his point and the Camping World franchise should be ashamed by this location. They have already decided that Camping World will not be getting their buissenss when they go to trade in their current rig. They now understand buying from Camping World was a grave mistake. read more

Terrible customer support in the service department. Had my camper 6 months and made no repairs. Stay far away from this place!

I have called to set up an appointment 3 times this year and whoever has answered the phone in the service department has told me how busy they are and I should take it somewhere else, what kind of customer service is this??? This time I was told "I was better off finding a truck mechanic to perform my required service", wow, I want to go out and find a "truck mechanic" to do my service on my '21 Forester... Very disappointed again, 3rd time disappointed!!! read more

Rich and the guys in Service did a great job! I called Matt in Parts while on the road and 20 minutes later I rolled in. Technician was out promptly to install 4 new coach batteries! Council Bluffs Camping World is a destination for me each time I travel through the area. Outstanding service! read more

Camping World - Council Bluffs - RV Dealers Near Me - Council Bluffs, Iowa

Camping world was not my first choice to buy a camper. I've never heard anything positive about them and their CEO is a crackpot however, they had the camper that I thought was a good fit for my family and the only other dealer that had this particular model was located in Pennsylvania. In retrospect it would have made more sense for me to drive to Pennsylvania to buy the camper than to buy it at Camping World. We went in on a Thursday to look at a camper we were interested in. As others have mentioned in order to get a price you must do a credit check and then they don't really even give you a price in writing. The experience is very much cloak and dagger. We agreed to put down a deposit and come back the next day after we thought about it more. Friday we took a half day of work and went to the dealer to make the purchase and pick up the camper. I was expecting this to be pretty much in and out We were expecting this to be pretty painless. This is where things went to shit. The purchase took a total of about 6 hours of incredibly high stress and high pressure tactics. Imagine the worst car buying experience you've ever had then multiply it by 1000. They will essentially do everything they can to sell you upgraded good sam memberships, extended warranties, gap insurance, and every other worthless thing they can think of to jack up the prices. Oh and the hitches they sell you are at a 200% markup so buy a hitch elsewhere. They will come up with payment amounts without ever telling you the interest rate or what you're paying for the extended warranty, and paint protection, and gap insurance. They will make adjustments to the interest rates and time of loan all in order to get the extras in there some how. The finance part of the buying experience was so awful that I will absolutely NEVER buy another camper from Camping World. I will go anywhere in the country even thousands of miles away before buying from here. By the time everything was said and done they had added $5000 to the purchase price of the camper by using such high pressure tactics that I literally was about to walk out. Maybe it was just me but when you say I'm not interested multiple times maybe that should be enough. read more

Beware of purchasing a motorhome or getting repair work done from this Camping World. Purchased a class a last September and had it back within 3 weeks for warranty repairs and a few items on a dealer "We Owe" worksheet. Five (5) months later, after numerous phone calls and emails and then no responses we made the 600+ miles drive to see for ourselves what was going on. Needless to say, not all work was completed especially the we owe stuff that was negotiated at time of purchase. Store Manager, Scott, doesn't want to be involved and Service Manager, Eric keeps piling on the stories. Due to their neglect, the motorhome now has MICE AND POOP as well. read more

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We just bought our first brand new Motorhome from this dealership. We've had several in the past but never brand new. The entire experience was very positive. Everyone we worked with was very customer service driven. Big shout out to Justin (general manager) and Kenny (finance manager). They were both very helpful and nice to work with. We look forward to our experience with the Las Vegas Camping World being equally as positive when needing warranty work done. Thank you to everyone that had a hand in making this a great experience. read more

My husband and I arrived at Camping World in Council Bluffs unexpectedly on Labor Day Weekend to pick up our camper after it had been serviced. Unfortunately, the service department was closed, and we could not find our trailer in the parking lot. Justin said he would locate it for us with no problem and get us on our way. He found it as promised and spent his time calling people and unlocking the gate for us. After we located our camper, Jody was a rock star in getting out of the parked location. No easy task, to be sure. She stuck with it, and we were on our way. This was a Thursday night, and we live an hour away from CB. I cannot express how appreciative my husband and I were for all the help the great people at Camping World gave us to make our trip successful. read more

Bought my 2016 at camping world in Wenztville and extended warranty thru them. I live here in Omaha, Problem is the on demand hot water heater never worked so I took it in to be fixed, well of course it was the thermostat and they couldn't order one because part was discontinued before it was even placed in my camper, so camping world had my camper for three weeks and on Monday said they could could get me a new on demand hot water heater and put in for 1200. Picked it up today and they now have charged me 2000 for a hot water tank. Shame on them and their wicked ways may the owner and operators get karma for this blatant act of screwing a women over. Never will I ever give this company another dime. Oh and Sara the service chick thinks its cute to talk over you when you are trying to explain things, so rude and disrespectful. Id give a zero star if I could. read more

Purchased our Keystone Outback from Jeff Boege. We had many questions before, during and after the sale. He answers questions still via text. We had some added custom work done to the trailer before we took it home and everyone worked diligently to get it done right. Jay in finance was informative and helpful. Vito in management seemed very focused on making sure the customer service was 5star. We are not easy customers and we would and do recommend reaching out to Boege if you are looking for an RV. read more

We had the best experience buying Our first fifth wheeler. Our salesman Tyler was amazing and Carrie in business department was the best !!! Hope Our service is as good. Reviews making me a little nervous! read more

Sold trailer purchased at Camping World of Council Buffs. Had purchased several service agreements that could be canceled and receive a prorated refund. The process has been extremely frustrating. Initial phone calls were not returned. I had to make a trip to the store before any process began. I has been over 10 weeks and still no refund received. Continued inquiries go unanswered and no updates received. After the sale customer service is terrible. read more

Buyer beware. I signed a $4000 cleaning policy while I was trying to get insurance coverage over the phone. A couple days later, after I had time to read the fine print and learned most of the policy did not apply to my camper and that $4000 would pay for any repair costs over and over, Camping World (CW) would not cancel it. CW refunded a portion but not the mutually agreeable amount. Sadly, I have no record of that amount. The $4000 policy was added to the purchase price of my camper and I had to pay road tax on the policy. Then, CW withheld $200 of that tax money from the county tax department. After I received a bill from the county and brought the matter to CW's attention, CW forwarded the missing $200 to the county. Also, CW shorted me $400 when I cancelled other policies because of high cost. I was refunded after I brought it to their attention. The camper was a "new" used one, purchased new by someone, then traded back. More than one CW staffer told me the camper had no warranty. I contacted the manufacturer and learned the camper was indeed under warranty and was also recalled. Hope someone can learn from my experience so CW doesn't profit unfairly. Take all the time you need to understand the fine print and the math. read more

we put a deposit down on a camper. Check was cashed the next day. Unfortunately, we were not able to get the loan. After 11 days we are still waiting to get our deposit back. Don't think it should take this long. Most places your deposit in not cashed until the loan is approved. Also found out the same camper in the Kansas city area was about $4000 less. Have sent many message and phone calls to the salesperson Loyal and the finance guy Chad Hass and they will not return calls to let us, to le us know when we will get the deposit mailed out to us. Will never shop at Camping world again. read more

Bought a Bighorn brand new from camping world in council bluffs. It started in sales when they asked me to buy a warranty. I told them I was not interested in a warranty. They told me it would help there numbers and they would cancel it on Monday. I went ahead and did it thinking it won't cost me anything and I would be in good favor with them. I had it 90 days and found several warranty problems. Normal stuff here so wasn't surprised. Besides I helped them out with their numbers. They gave me an appointment time of anytime after 2 pm to make sure they had room for the camper. I showed up about 1 hr after that and I got scolded for that and told me they have a lot of campers and need to honor appointments. I agreed and explained I was told to bring it in after 2 pm it is now 3 pm. Bob told me no your appointment was for 2 pm. He told me due to the size of my camper they would be done in 2 weeks and needed it gone. I said I have a spot and will be ready for it. 6 months later after calling several times throughout the winter to get it they said it will be ready on Friday after 5. I called at 12 on Friday to confirm and Bob said oh we had an accident and your camper has been damaged. They said my camper was too big for the forklifts and could not keep it from sliding when they hit ice. I came in took pictures and they would fix it and make it right with me. The worst repair job I have seen had to have them fix it 3 times. The last time I asked Bob would you accept this treatment and work from someone. His response was " we didn't even have to tell you about it we could have fixed it without your knowledge" So now I have talked with Justin the manager. He said he would make it right as well. I have called and sent emails and will not get a return call or email. He told me he was hired to turn this bad reputation from the customers around. He was from Baxter and could do it. Well Justin you have failed and you lost a customer. I was told by all my camping friends to stay away from this place. Well guess what I get to tell all my new camping friends and people looking for a place to buy a camper. Stay away from camping World Council Bluffs. They will lie and be dishonest to make money. Once you buy from them they don't care to deal with you again. read more

I have had it with this place and if you have an RV I would suggest you don't take it here. I had my Motorhome in there 4 times last year for warrant work and every time it was several weeks before I got it back with very little done each time. I had a problem with my dashboard since day 1 and it took almost 5 months before they said it was done but, when I went to pick it up I actually found that it was not. This is the worst service department I have ever experienced and if you want to camp during the season, I suggest you find somewhere else to get your unit serviced. i had a problem with my unit having puddles of water on the floor and took it to them 2 different times and was told they could not find a leak so, i finally got so upset that I took it on myself to find the leak and so i did. It was the filter on the water pump that was loose and it took me literally a few minutes to fix it. In the time that the water leaked, it ruined my cabinet on the unit and they would not do anything about it. This was brand new when it got it. STAY AWAY from here!!! read more

Stopped by today to learn about weight distribution hitches. Walked around store/showroom for 15 min. Saw 4 employees not engaged. They did not engage me. Was ok led by two checkers on way out and was ignored. Won't be back. No tolerance for incompetence. Could see shop from where I parked. What an absolute mess. Stuff all over the place, dirty and trashy. Don't want them touching anything of mine. Stay away. read more

Megan was a big help! she was very nice and took her time to get me where I needed to go. Megan and the retails gals would be 5 star for sure!! Cant be that nice with sales/finance. read more

Went in on Saturday to purchase a Class A motorhome at the Council Bluffs Iowa store. Ended up with salesperson Derrick, who has no business selling shoes littlelone equipment he knows nothing about. Spent 45 minutes going over the unit we wanted to buy and the features on the unit. We said that we wanted to test drive it before we purchased it as $60,000 is a lot of money to spend on a used unit without taking it for a testdrive. We were told he didn't know how to put the slide out unit back in and there wasn't a tech available to help him. Said we would have to schedule a test drive for Monday evening, which we did. We asked if we should place a deposit as we wanted the unit ASAP, and we were told no, not a problem. I received a call Monday morning, and I was told that they sold the unit 10 minutes before Derrik called me. Spoke to the manager, Biff, who basically told me tuff luck. Derrik is new and didn't really know what he was doing.I have never been treated SO rudely in my life!!! I will never go here again!! I would not buy a glass of water from these people if I was dying of thirst. I will tell every person I know and post on every forum I can just exactly how terribly we were treated there. A very poor reflection on a national company! Getting 1 star because I must in order to post review, but if I could it would be a -1* read more

I would like to remove my negative review. Because of my negative yelp review, this company has gone through the chain of command in order to help me with my complaint about the price. I sure hope and pray that this huge company is on a turnaround. Their selection is great, their prices are good, their trust and their service departments throughout the nation need lot and lots and lots of work. Can you imagine magnitude of business they could do if they "fixed" these problems? Wow. Again, thanks for the effort to address my complaints--- read more

Bought a brand new 2021 Winnebago trailer. First camp trip found out 2 of the stabilizers were bad. Waited for 2 months for Winnebago to approve warranty on 2021 trailer. Camping World would not order parts until approval. Since they got approval 2 weeks ago still haven't ordered parts- limited service personnel. CW should've owned up to warranty on first week and ordered parts . Once you buy trailer you are nothing to them because they already have your monies! read more

OMG... the worst ever!!!! The worst vehicle ever purchase. Had to sell it quick to try and recoup my losses. I have been trying all day to contact this location by phone, the receptionist recognizes my phone number and just puts me on hold without answering. I had to call another location and they called the store for me to try and get help. Stay away from this place Well do you happen to notice that all the "bad" reviews are followed by the exact same words to each person stating they are sorry and would like to help? So I decided to respond to that message and guess what?.... you got it!!.... no one ever responded back. should have known read more

If I could give them zero stars you bet your bottom dollar I,would it's the absolute worse place to have camper Repaired I have taken my camper in twice and each time Comes out with more damage than what was fixed can't wait to hear there excuses this time read more

my initial experience of purchasing there was fine, however, I just had some warranty issues looked at in their service department and when I picked up my RV I found damage to the siding that occurred while on their property. The service department refuses to accept that it occurred there and refuses to correct the damage. read more

We bought a Montana from Camping World in Myrtle Beach, SC. Great Service..We were passing thru Iowa area and our inverter For our fridge wasn't working. I call and a young man answered and I explained our situation. Keep in mind we have had this New fifth wheel for less than a month. Very nice young man says bring it in and someone will go out and just take a look. Maybe we can help. We get there and the man in the service dept. could not believe someone told us that they could help us. He said we close in less than an hour. All he was concerned about was who took the call. The time he spent trying to blame someone he could have had someone to take a look. He said no one could help that they probably would have to order a part. What a waste of time. Never again will I stop in this store again. read more

Poor customer service does not return calls in a timely manner sell faulty equipment try to add extra fees or services that you never agreed to. I will never deal with them again. read more

Warning!!! The Camping World in Council Bluffs, Iowa is not an honest business. I took my pop-up camper there after my air conditioner quit working in August while we were camping . A week after I had taken it to them I received a phone call saying they could not crank it up to open it and they would have to order a new crank assembly and the price for the part and for the repair would be $1100.00. I told them they must have broken it as I did not have a problem all summer while using it and camping. Of course they denied that and told me that never happened to any of their customers. I did not want to put that much money in my older camper ( 1995 Coleman) so called them back and said do not order the part as it was too much money. I was told it was a special order and I asked them to cancel the order. They said they would try. TWO WEEKS later I was told they could not cancel the order but if I would pay for the part-- $415.00. I could take it. Why did it take two weeks to find this out? It was two weeks after that before it came . I tried to call the corporate office to no avail. I was told someone would e-mail the Council Bluffs business and they would call me back in 2 days . No one called me So I called the corporate office at least 2 more times , each time I was told they would e-mail the management at the Council Bluffs office and I should hear back in two days. NO ONE CALLED. So I finally called the manager at the Council Bluffs this time the general plant manager. Very cold reception - very uncaring and he also denied any one there would break anything. So I am now out $480 which included the part and the shipping fee. Because I am an older widowed woman I feel I was unfairly and dishonestly treated. Warning to anyone---NEVER go there for any camper problem. read more

Took my RV there for some repairs Water heater ,Awning and check backup battery. They called and said one of the batteries was bad and that they could not continue repairs until that was replaced. I gave the go ahead to replace at a cost of $106.00. They called me 2 days later and said i was all ready to go and that i can pick up RV. Got there and my bill was $720.00 for work performed on RV. After adjustments bill ended up being $620.00. Before i payed i wanted them to run me through the repairs on RV and service counter guy took me out to RV and we found out nothing other than the battery had been worked on and that they would have to keep it. Another week passed by and no calls so i called them and they said they would call me back. They called the next day and said it was ready. Went to pick up and same results nothing done. During checking out RV tech noticed that they had left roof vent open and mattress and carpet were soaked along with other items. Manager said he was sorry and that he would not charge me for anything. They sent service manager out to talk to me and he repaired water heater with a electronic part in 15 minutes and got it working. Manager said they would order a mattress for me at no charge and they would call in a week. No call so i called them and they said it did not come in on there truck and that i should go to Nebraska Furniture Mart and buy one and bring receipt to manager. I thought Camping World should take care of this so after 4 or 5 unanswered calls to manager my fiance and i went to store and were told that manager was with customers even though he was standing in a office 15 feet away. Jay at service counter was told by my fiance that they could go on-line and find it and he said he would so we were leaving store and decided to go back in and low and behold manager was standing at counter talking to Jay. IN some what of surprised reaction he said that he had not received any messages that i had called and said he was working with customer to which i said that i was a customer also. He proceeded to become irritated and started dropping the F bombs to me and my fiance. I told him that that was unbelievable to talk to a customer in that manner and that i myself have been a manager for 40 years and had never spoken to or treated my customers in that manner. He proceeded to tell me to F*** off and that i was a F****** pain in his ASS and to get the F*** out of his store. I told him that i was going to talk to there corporate office about this and he told me to F*** OFF and proceeded to chuckle about it as we were leaving. I will never ever go to this store again. And i will make sure i will tell everybody about this nightmare. And by the way i have my RV sitting in my driveway with no mattress as we had to cancel our 4th of JULY camping trip. After 28 days i still have no clue when i will receive mattress other than manager called and said he would have Jay order one on line and to say he did not know what got in to him and that he was sorry. AS life goes on you learn something everyday. I hope they can learn from this disaster. DAVE J. Omaha,Ne read more

Walked into Camping World just to look over options on travel trailers. Hard sell the minute we walked in....contact info, what's your credit score, and made us wait by telling us he was copying off spec sheets when it was just waiting for the general manager to give us his sale pitch. This wouldn't been unexpected to some degree but we have a home in Fremont, which was flooded at the time. We explained we were just out looking as we couldn't get home due to the flooding and wouldn't even think about looking until we knew what kind of damage we had at home. They (salesman and manager) were unsympathetic and have since called, emailed and texted numerous times. Even though we told them we had no intention of buying a vehicle that day or in the next few weeks. Their behavior has taken us to AC Nelson. read more