I can't recommend Abey at Austin Creative Landscaping highly enough. He has completely redesigned and rebuilt both the front and back yards at two different homes for me, and each experience was outstanding from start to finish. Abey starts by listening. He took the time to understand our vision, then created a thoughtful design that balanced looks, function, and long-term practicality. He also welcomed feedback, going back and forth with post-design tweaks until everything felt exactly right. Throughout the entire process he was consistently communicative, clear on timelines, and proactive about updates, which made the whole project feel easy and well managed. The results were truly excellent. In the back yards, we installed turf, quarter-inch steel edging, rocks, and a variety of other xeriscaping elements, and the finished product looks clean, polished, and built to last (and best of all, no dirt for the dogs to track in). The front yards were mostly laying new grass and planting new trees, but the layout and placement were so well considered that they immediately improved the curb appeal and overall feel of the homes. The workmanship was second to none. Pricing-wise, Abey was very competitive. Definitely not the lowest bid, but also nowhere near the highest. Ad the value was incredible given the quality of the work and the experience overall. I couldn't be happier with how both projects turned out, and I've recommended Abey to all our friends without hesitation. If you're looking for someone who combines great design sense, top-tier execution, and professional communication, Abey is the person to call. The before and after photo for the backyard at one of the houses speaks volumes! read more

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We absolutely loved working with Abey and his team at Austin Creative Landscaping. From the very beginning, Abey had great ideas and a clear vision for our space. We had some significant drainage and erosion issues, and they came up with a solution that not only fixed those problems but also transformed our yard into a beautiful outdoor living space. The team was professional, friendly, talented, and always kept the job site clean. They can do it all -- masonry, welding, irrigation, drainage, planting, etc. They worked efficiently and delivered an amazing result. We couldn't be happier with how everything turned out, and we're looking forward to making lots of memories with our kids for years to come. We highly recommend Abey and Austin Creative Landscaping. We are already planning our next project for them! :) read more

I had the pleasure of working with Abey and his team and it was a wonderful experience. From the initial consult Abey sent me sketches so I could visualize his work! I am very happy with the job they did and would highly recommend. read more

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We had some work done on our backyard last summer, which included a sitting area at the top of a small hill. When the slab for the sitting area was laid, it wound up being a much higher drop off than I envisioned and didn't look very attractive with so much cement having been required. The company that did the slab recommended Austin Creative Landscaping to put in a railing due to the drop off being fairly high. When Abey from ACL came out, he gave me some great ideas for the railing but mentioned that he could put in a planter area to soften the look of the cement. It all came out look great and we couldn't be happier! We highly recommend Austin Creative Landscaping, both for their work and their ideas and designs. We'd definitely work with them again! read more

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Abey and the team at Austin Creative Landscaping completely transformed my backyard. They were professional, on schedule, and quick to make adjustments when a downed tree called for a change to the design. After the project was complete, some minor issues that arose were handled in a timely manner. My yard had been pretty torn up during a pool installation, had drainage issues, and was full of weeds. The ACL team came up with a beautiful, multilevel design that complemented the pool that called for regrading the entire side yard to manage runoff. The steel and basalt beds maintained the clean lines I love, and new grass and a mulch bed with flowering plants and vines added texture and color. I couldn't be happier with the work and am enjoying my new backyard oasis. I would absolutely recommend ACL! read more

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We're absolutely thrilled with the new landscaping in our front yard designed and executed by Abey Bruce and his hard-working team! They trimmed trees to allow for more sun and removed numerous old shrubs. They then installed stone flower beds and custom steel framing -- all of which was planted with native grasses, agave cactus and trees: a Magnolia, Cypress and Palo Verde. ACL also completely redid our Pétanque court (French version of Italian Bacce Ball). Our old court had become rutted and overgrown. Abey & Co. dug out the entire court, added stablizers and resurfacing -- the new improved version is spectacular. Great fun to play on and a real asset to our property. We highly recommend Austin Creative Landscaping! read more

I had ACL come out to do landscape and hardscape for both a front flower bed and my backyard, they also trimmed up two small trees in my front. Loved working with them and appreciated how they listened and gave ideas and suggestions that worked well with my vision. Scheduling does take a bit of back and forth, but once you're on the books the completion of work goes quickly. read more

This business apparently has a deserved reputation for doing great work. Their portfolio looks very impressive. I live in a townhouse with a small yard, and I had Abey out to give me a quote on several different things that I wanted to do. He had some good ideas, and said that he'd give me a quote with several different possible options. I was looking forward to a quote and doing business with him. A week passed by with no quote. A follow up email to him got a promise of a quote soon. After a month, Abey made another promise to get me a quote. Almost three months later, two more follow up emails to him have been ignored, and still no quote. I was polite and professional in my communication with him. I know that this is a busy time for landscapers, but all he had to do was tell me that my job is too small of a scale for his company, that he's too busy, etc. I've been left hanging because of his lack of follow through. I'm moving on to another landscaping company that gave me a written quote less than an hour after their site visit. Austin Creative Landscaping may do great work, but they need to hire someone to help them with client communication. It's sorely lacking. read more

We Had a house fire.So after all the construction was finished our front yard was trashed and we wanted a new look to go with the new rebuild look .We called Austin Creative Landscaping from their yelp reviews.I am very glad I did .Abey was prompt for our meeting ,had great ideas,was very knowledgeable and very fair pricing . Their work was completed as promised ,looks better than I expected and left the job-site very clean at the end of every day .I do a lot of renovation work and see a lot of landscape companies .I would highly recommend Austin Creative Landscaping read more

Abey and his crew did an amazing job on our yard! Everyone in the neighborhood gives compliments and asked who did the work so they can use him as well. We worked closely together on the design and it turned out even better than I hoped. I'm a very picky and detailed person, so this was no small task. They came and finished the whole job in 5 days for a very fair price that was lower than other well rated places I contacted. Abey custom welded the steel around the patio, put in a nice custom stained fence that hugs the perimeter just right, put edging at the right places to give the yard form, added a plant on the side, and built up the whole patio after leveling it all out! Now, my girlfriend and I have a wonderful yard to enjoy and we couldn't be happier. I highly recommend Abey and his crew! read more

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Abey and his crew provided terrific customer service from beginning to end! He and all of his workers were very polite, professional, and super personable. Abey helped us complete our vision of xeriscaping our front and backyard in addition to building a backyard patio with a fire pit. He was extremely knowledgeable in all areas of the project including plants and building materials. He was also able to communicate his ideas and suggestions in a way that made the process very smooth. Once he and his crew started, they worked full time (and some weekends) to get the job done right and on time. Overall, our experience with Abey and his team was great! He is a true professional and worth the money we spent. read more

Abey and his group did an amazing job with my yard. The landscaping hadn't been updated in nearly 20 years and needed a refresh - including a new back fence, sprinkler system and easy-maintenance plants. Carlos at ACL came up with a design that exceeded my expectations. Every member of the crew that installed the new yard was polite and professional. Abey was there throughout, making sure that everything was done to the highest level of quality and responding to my questions and requests. I now have a backyard oasis that will bring pleasure to me and my family for many years to come. Thank you Austin Creative Landscaping! read more

We had an absolutely wonderful experience with Abey, Carlos, and crew at our commercial property. They were extremely attentive, professional, and, yes, creative in their approach. I would 100 percent recommend them to anyone. read more

Abey and his crew did a great job and cleaned up at the end of everyday. Abey created a great design for our yard based on some our ideas and it turned out great. He had a great vision and added little nuances that we would never thing of which is why he is the professional. The crew seemed hardworking and cleaned up at the end of every day. We can now look at our yard as something more desirable than weeds. read more

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We could not have been happier with Abey and his crew at Austin Creative Landscaping.  We had a sad front yard and garden bed in a new development. The plants put in by the builder were too bulky, the garden bed too big and there was zero thought behind it. Abey designed and transformed the front of our house into a welcoming and warm experience. He guided the design and native plant selection and listened closely to our needs and quickly absorbed our style. His crew was professional and courteous and worked quickly. I smile every time I walk up to our house and am already thinking of our next project with Abey. I would definitely recommend him to anyone. Fast, friendly, collaborative and at a very fair price. read more

We completed payment to ACL (approximately $9,000 total) when fencing (installed under his supervision by Flix Fencing) was substantially complete on April 2. Almost 3 months later, the work has not been completed. At this point, it's a safety hazard. The job site has not been cleaned up from work done over 3 months ago. Pieces of metal are strewn on ground. Some of the work is shoddy (wobbly, not straight, gate will not open enough to move lawnmower.) We had to do work on uncompleted fence to prevent dog's escape. The process of staining fence and adding landscaping cannot be started. Our contract administrator provided a detailed punch list. The list could have been used to produce an A+ Job. This is such a disappointment read more

One of the easiest contractors we've ever worked with. From design to install they were responsive, honest, and communicated openly. Install went great with a group of hard workers and owner was onsite constantly checking in with us and making sure everything went well. They were detailed in their work and very professional, showing up on time and working hard the whole time. We couldn't be more pleased with the outcome and the experience of working with ACL. read more

Abey was nice, professional and knowledgeable during our consultation. Unfortunately, he was not able to provide me with a quote for the following reasons: 1. He just opened a nursery, which needs time and attention 2. His team is short handed at the moment I appreciate the fact that he explained this to me. However, I am disappointed and wish this would have been expressed before or during the consultation. From what I gathered during our consultation, I believe working with Abey on a landscape project would be a nice and positive experience. I wish him the very best in his new endeavour, but I also think others need to know what the current situation before contacting him about landscape services. read more

After 2 Summers of drought and poor maintenance on my part, I decided to pull the plug on the yard. Dead trees, no grass and lots of rocks and dust. Abey and his crew transformed my once frightening property into a Extreme Makeover showpiece. Jake and his guys did a great job on the irrigation system and showing me how it works. All in all, Abey and his crew were very knowledgeable, friendly, fast, hardworking and did a very good job cleaning up after the job was done. I would definitely recommend Abey to anyone. Fast Friendly Quality Service at a Fair Price. Got exactly what I wanted Thanks! read more

We originally chose Abey because he was the one lawn service that was in our area on Fridays. Since we were selling our home we wanted the lawn to look its freshest on the weekends. We were also moving out of state and we needed someone we could trust to keep our lawn looking its best. Abey made us feel instantly comfortable and more than exceeded our expectations. For the initial estimate Abey walked our property with us and recommended services he could provide to get our lawn into house selling shape. He was very professional, courteous, and friendly. He never pressured us to do services we didn't think were necessary, though we did appreciate his recommendations and took him up on one. He was also able to add flower bed maintanence for a small fee, which other companies could not without sending an entirely separate crew out. He even remembered who we were when we called to tell him we sold the home and no longer required his service, which is just another testamont to his personal service. Abey was so easy to work with and we appreciated his flexibility with our lawn needs and short notices to start and stop service. If you're looking for personal service and want more than just lawn mowing labor check out Austin Lawns and Flower Beds. Abey is so easy to work with and is more than willing to create a custom service for you unlike some of the other mass mowing services in town. read more

Abey came out and did some general landscaping for us a few months after we moved into our home in Southwest Austin back in the summer of 2016. He and his crew cleaned up a lot of growth, trimmed the trees, and generally made our yard look great, just the way it was. I spoke to him about a plan for our back yard, which he was of course open to, but wisely gave me the advice to "wait a little while. Live in your house for six months or so, see how you use the space, and then let's design something that works." WOW. Someone not wanting my business at the expense of my long-term satisfaction?! You've got me. So, I was happy off the bat. Also, he was right! We needed to live here for a while to know our flow and desires. Fast forward to now, we are one week into a month-long project with Austin Creative Landscaping! Abey has designed a great plan for our front yard, including an extended porch/sitting area. We live on a cul-de-sac, life happens out front, and we're happily going with it! In the back yard, grass won't grow, so we're doing a combination of pea gravel to house a play structure, and also artificial turf. We will leave a lot of our shade plants as-are, and he'll incorporate a few new things to make it more green and less mud. Finally, we're removing the deck, and adding a ground-level flagstone patio. We already discovered one carcass under the old deck, so are glad to have something that won't house the wildlife anymore! Finally, I have to say that I truly feel like Abey is a steward of the earth. He is innovative, and creative, AND works with what's there. And with what's meant to be there. I love that he walks around, feels leaves, sticks his hands in the dirt, and knows instantly what's happening with the entire yard/soil/ecosystem. I don't want to overstate his knowledge, but I just think he really knows our area, and works hard to be good to it. His crew is extremely professional, clean, and communicative, even when Abey isn't there with them. I have enjoyed getting to know them, as well. I'll post pics, if I can, of the before and afters. I wanted to write this review now, though, because I've been meaning to for over a year, and don't want another day to get away from me. Call Abey! read more

I got in touch with Abey one day as I was driving home to my neighborhood (Easton Park). I noticed the company truck outside doing a job across the street, and was impressed with the work. I got in touch with Abey at Austin Creative Landscaping shortly thereafter, and Abey was as gracious and honest as could be. In fact, I gave him multiple chances to upsell me based on various ideas that I had, and Abey talked me out of the idea for various reasons. Abey and his crew were very diligent and kind. The job was done over the course of about 5 days, and is thriving since it was completed (August 2019). I would recommend Abey and his crew to the entire Easton Park neighborhood as this community continues to grow. read more

I chose Abey and Austin Lawn & Flower Beds after reading the reviews on Yelp, and the 5 star reviews were right on the mark! We first called in July after moving into our new house, and he was able to schedule us right away for a walk-through estimate. Abey was not only very nice, he was professional, knowledgeable and thorough in the work he and his team did for us (lawn mowing, edging, & flower bed cleaning). We were so pleased with the services, we signed on for bi-weekly lawn & flower bed maintenance. Also, they just completed tree trimming, lawn aeration and top soil application in our front & back yard, and it looks amazing! Abey is not only great at what he does, he's also honest (which means a great deal), so look no further for your lawn & tree care services! read more

Abey and Austin Lawns and Flower Beds have been our families #1 lawn care provider for a long time now. They are incredibly dependable, timely and do great work. It is apparent they keep customers as their main priority. I started out using Austin lawns and flower beds on a small project. Their work was fantastic and have now started using them on a weekly basis as well as larger projects going forward. Highly recommended! read more

Austin Lawns and Flowerbeds has maintained our home's landscaping for the past two years. Both myself and my wife have been completely satisfied with both the costs and the level of professionalism displayed by this company. Our yard is one of the nicest in the neighborhood. Thank you, Austin Lawns and Flowerbeds for a job well done. read more

Austin Creative Landscaping has done excellent landscaping jobs for me and some rather nice work for several clients of mine. They have always done an outstanding work and really know their stuff. Abey has always been a pleasure to work with and I can't speak highly enough. I always feel confident when i recommend ACL to my customers. read more

Great service and attention to detail. They came very quickly as requested and did a superb job. Also appreciated Abey's knowledgeable advice on maintaining our lawn and his excellent understanding of landscaping. read more

UPDATE: I have now engaged Austin Creative Landscaping two more times since 2013 when we had the front of our office refreshed. This time, I had them help me with a backyard project for my home. Abey is an excellent listener and comes up with creative suggestions for solving landscape moments. For example, our house is very near our neighbors house and I wanted to build up our fence -however, our fence is shared. So Abey suggested building a standalone steel and wire structure and allow vine to grow up and create the barrier. The structure itself is lovely, but the small vines are already several feet tall and are flowering. I'm super excited about how it will look when it fills in. Our backyard was a very comprehensive project complete with fake grass (it's AWESOME! highly recommend!), a visual barrier around our ugly AC unit, a rain water harvest barrel, small veggie garden, and flower beds. We have lived in our home for nearly 8 years and this is the first time I've been truly happy with our backyard! Abey also crafted custom planters for the front of our new office. He realized that we needed massively drought tolerant plantings because not only are we terrible about watering, but we have an overhang on our office porch that keeps the rain at bay. All said and done, and it's so perfect. read more

Contracted Austin Creative Landscaping/Austin Lawns and Flower Beds to install a small patch of Zorro Zoysia sod + soil on 3-29-13. It was a small job, approx. 12'x12', and I might've done it myself but was just about the same cost to have 'experts' do it. Plus, I had been building rock retaining walls, patios and garden beds: I was TIRED! Abey's crew came on time, worked hard and were personable -- very nice and accommodating to my twin 5-yr old boys who were fascinated with the whole operation. Daily watering for 2-3 weeks is key to ensuring the sod takes root. About a week after installation, a friend of mine stopped by while I was watering and noticed that the turf was kind of lumpy and asked if they used a roller. I watched the whole installation and had not seen a roller. The sod did look pretty ugly at that point, eraly on: seams, uneven color/health of stressed grass due to palletizing, transport, etc. and it did seem o be a bit lumpy. My friend's comment got me nervous, since I had no prior experience with sod installation and had paid $450 for the job. I called Abey to express my my fears. He told me that they didn't use a roller because the area was so small (true) but they had used a hand-held steel flattening tool instead (also true--I saw them use it). Concerned with allaying my fears Abey came by himself with a roller a few days later. In hindsight, my were fears unfounded. I now have a beautiful, healthy emerald green patch of Zoysia perched on a terrace beneath a big live oak. I'll bet that Abey's extra 'roller ' effort probably wasn't necessary and that he knew it, but nonetheless wanted to make sure that I was satisfied with the job. MORAL OF THE STORY: Abéy Bruce and Austin Creative Landscaping/Austin Lawns and Flower Beds did a top notch job, and were very responsive even on a small project for a finicky customer. Highly recommend! read more

After several year of drought, we finally decided to stop struggling to keep our front grass from looking like mature aged tobacco. Xeriscaping seemed like the way to go. After looking at several local landscaping firms, we selected Austin Creative Landscaping. Why Austin Creative? It really boiled down to the owner Abey Bruce. Abey was engaged every step of the way, had terrific ideas on how to realize our vision and was completely flexible and collaborative throughout the landscaping transformation process. Abey and his crew were well coordinated and our project came in on budget within the established timeframe. The end results have put a smile on our faces. Our grounds look simply terrific and our neighbors are noticing. We'll absolutely be using Austin Creative Landscaping in the future. read more

This is the second time I've used Austin Creative Landscaping and once again I am very impressed. Abey and his crew work hard, they are professional and courteous, and have a knowledge of plants and design that has helped me reinvent my garden. I'm thrilled with what they have done. Plus, as has been mentioned by other reviewers, Abey listens and offers thoughtful guidance. When his crew finished, I had exactly what Abey and I had discussed. His price for the amount of work done was very reasonable. I know I will be working with them again in the future. read more

Abey and Austin Creative Landscaping has been a Godsend to us! We had just moved from CA to Austin and were looking for a trustworthy and capable company to landscape our front and backyard on our newly constructed home in SE Austin. My husband met with several contractors, but Abey completely impressed him with his professionalism and integrity. Abey provided us with a great quote, renderings, and then made adjustments as we requested. He designed and executed a beautiful modern landscape for our front yard and then created a dream backyard for our family, to the delight of our two young children and all the other kids who have played in our backyard! Now one year later, Abey continues to stand by his work, he and his crew even come to help us with our trees or anything that may be affected by Austin's weather! It's always such a pleasure to see Abey as he is always kind, professional, courteous, skilled, and full of integrity!!! read more

I am dripping in sweat. Why? Because I just mowed my lawn, and I have NEVER mowed my lawn. This is something my Husband enjoys doing, so I let him. Why did I mow my lawn you may ask? Because Abey and his super nice partner just installed the most beautiful flowerbed in my back yard. I could not let the grass not compliment the outstanding bed. I met with Abey a few weeks back and we created a plan for my yard, he worked with my budget, he was understanding when I changed my mind on plants, he was prompt, tidy, fast, and what I appreciate the most...my ideas mattered. Abey came highly recommend to me, and I am proudly recommending him to you. Yes, the rest of us will share. read more

We could not have been happier with Abey and his crew at Austin Creative Landscaping. We were very hesitant about choosing our landscaper, as a large part of the work to be done was to fix structural issues from a recent landscaping job that didn't go well. We had no reason to worry. Abey delivered a beautiful plan for the backyard - he spent time making sure he understood exactly what issues we were having and how the yard would be used, and that it needed to support two high energy dogs He also sat with the space and really evaluated what was necessary and how to get the most out of our space. We ended up with a gorgeous space - it's incredibly functional (xeriscaping, artifical turf, as we requested), it's attractive - his eye for materials, scale, and layout are spot on - and, it has that little bit "extra". In our case, he recognized the happy bird habitat, and made sure our friendly family of cardinals would hang out with his friends. We were so happy with his plan for the backyard, that we expanded the project to include work in the front as well. He was patient with our numerous questions and concerns, and he repeatedly provided clear and rational answers and recommendations. Highly, highly recommend Abey and Austin Creative Landscaping! read more

Abey is a really nice guy, but unfortunately it didn't work out for my yard. He originally couldn't bid the sod job I wanted because he was too busy, and maybe that should have been a sign for me before I agreed to bi-weekly service. After a few fine services on the front yard I added the backyard and they forgot to do it the first week. They did come back a couple days later to do it, but I had to call and make that happen. Then last week they didn't even show up and I didn't receive a call or email. I realize I probably could have called and figured it out again with Abey, but I hired him so that I wouldn't have to do that. I wish Abey nothing but the best but it seems he may be a little overextended, which seems to be a common issue in this industry. read more

I just received Abey's help with my landscaping needs yesterday. He worked on it all day while I was at work, and I came home to a masterpiece. He cleaned out all of my flowerbeds as well as put about 6 yards of mulch in them. He also planted some plants that I just hadn't gotten to yet. His ideas for the landscaping turned out wonderfully, especially the ring of mulch around our central tree. It really makes it a centerpiece for our yard. Abey is a pleasure to work with and happy to help in any way he can. We will definitely do business again. read more

I made an appointment to have an estimate done on our flower beds with Abey. The day of the appointment, he never showed up so I called him several hours later and he said he would come by later that day. He did come by and was very nice and answered all of my questions and said he would email me an estimate. This occured on April 25th and I never heard back from him. I went with Austin Lawns first because of all the great reviews but I guess our job was not big enough for them to even follow up with a quote. Very dissapointing since he even told me that our neighbors use them so they are usually in the area and he seemed like such a great guy. read more

I am one of the owners of Likkity's Frozen Custard and when we first opened our business we did the landscaping ourselves. It looked great for the first season but then the reality of Texas summer reared it's ugly head. Abey came in and completly re-did our flowerbeds including adding limestone edging and a cute little stone pathway. Unfortunately, so we thought, shortly after Abey finished doing a great job we were hit with the hottest, driest summer in Texas history and Austin put us on water restrictions to top it off. We thought for sure we'd have to redo all the landscaping yet again. Fortunately Abey knows his stuff! With only a few small exceptions, everything survived the sever drought, intense heat, and very limited watering. The most amazing thing to me is that Abey was able to get the tropical feel that I love with very low maintenance...and the landscape is thriving! Thank you Abey! read more

Austin Creative Landscaping helped me transform my boring neglected backyard to a wonderful low maintenance garden with a seating area in which I now want to spend time in! It is odd how the backyard now feels larger even though it is packed with plants, bushes, flowerbeds. I cannot wait to see how it will change through the seasons. Abey came in a listened to what I was looking forward, and came up with a great landscaping plan that was better than what I would have expected. He was also very patient as I was getting the landscaping approved, and with my questions about the plants. During the transformation the team worked quickly, kept it nice and tidy, and did a fantastic job. Abey and his team did a fantastic job, and I would highly recommend Austin Creative Landscaping (and I am fairly certain that I will call them again to tackle my front yard). read more

I just came inside from speaking with Abey again and wanted to let you know what a pleasure he is to work with. I first contacted Abey several months ago based on his Yelp reviews. I needed to prepare my yard to put my house on the market. Abey had some excellent ideas, many of which we would have implemented had we intended to stay. He has the ability to visualize a beautiful landscape and communicate that vision to his clients. Since we were moving, we just had Abey's crew tidy up the existing landscape. As we were about to put the house on the market, Abey's crew groomed our lawn and planted two trees to replace ones that had died. When I drove up to my house, I couldn't believe I was looking at the same yard! The trees were perfect, and there was not a blade of grass out of place. Since he'd done such an outstanding job at our old house, I wanted to have Abey maintain the front and install a landscape in the back of our newly built home. I just finished talking with him about the back, for which he has some very practical and aesthetically pleasing ideas. His crew will start taking care of my front lawn next week for a very reasonable price. On both properties, we've changed our minds a few times about what we wanted, but Abey doesn't seem to have minded; he really does want us to have the landscape that best meets our needs. He's very friendly, professional, and in general, a delight to work with. When he was in the neighborhood and stopped by my house this morning, I told him that of all the people who do business with me, he's the one I'd want to see first thing in the morning. I know he's been extremely busy lately and hasn't been able to serve everyone, but that's because he's careful about hiring and spends a lot of time making sure existing jobs are done correctly. Please give Abey a call; you'll be glad you did! read more