Service frustrating. Promised a ride then said short staffed. Took our truck in and the tech hit the bumper in their lot. So they promised repair. Left a message still no call back. #1 stands for best at lack of communication. read more

First off, salesman REX has a bad attitude, and after buying a new car in the past, he seemed irritated on having to spend 15 minutes with me, the paying customer to help set up phones to my new car. This month, I was sent a repeat customer 24-month lease offer with the miles I wanted. When i go to the dealer, salesman REX, AND HIS MANAGER SEAN QUOTED ME $150 MORE A MONTH WITH 16,000 LESS MILES THEN QUOTED ON MY PERSONILEZED ONLINE 24-MONTH OFFER at the dealer website. When I asked Sean as to why they are false advertising, he stated that the website needs to be fixed??? Needless to say, REX AND HIS COUNTERPART SEAN WILL NOT GET A COMMISSION FROM ME NOW OR EVER!!!!! I have already got a deal that I wanted, at even a cheaper price, with more miles AND SEVERAL FREE AUTO SHOW TICKETS. BUYER BEWARE IF YOU GO TO BOARDMAN NISSAN!!!! read more

Ron Brownlie owned 5 nissian 2 had bad trans told me i was on my own tried to sell me a new one dont buy a nissan warranty sucks all i got was sorry you feel that way i bought 5 cars over the years my daughter bought 2 thats how thay take care of loyal customers read more

Got my third consecutive Nissan Sentra from this place yesterday, my first under #1 Cochran ownership, and I found the service to be outstanding, as I always have. I lease because it's convenient; I like to have a new vehicle often, and I love never having to worry about being out of warranty. My end of lease transitions are so easy here; as long as this place stands, I'll never again be stressed out by the process of wrapping up an existing lease and/or getting into a new car. Each time, I've simply told them what I want, the terms to which I agree, and it just gets done (and it gets done the same day; I've never driven up there to meet with sales and driven away without a new car). I honestly don't see how they could make the process any easier. If you're in the market, I'd just go and see for yourself. My recommendation is to ask for Mike Hood, or call ahead and make an appointment with him. Just tell him what you're looking for, and see how your experience goes. I don't think you'll be disappointed. (Also, keep in mind that most, if not all, of the negative reviews here are from before the new ownership in July 2023, so they aren't really relevant anymore.) read more

Found out a yr later they had 22 wrong bolts and my mechanic said it was a miracle the wheels didnt fall off. Everything about this dealership was sloppy. 100% do not recommend. read more

Very deceiving used car sales practices. They say they would repair something but would not put in sales contract. They try to reword it for their own gain. read more

I had to write this review given the poor rating I see and the "age" of previous reviews. Perhaps the management has changed or the attitude has changed (or both), but I feel this place has been given a "bum steer." Saturday, 3 PM, driving east on I-76 to Pittsburgh (started from Detroit, MI), about 8-10 miles from the Ohio-Pennsylvania border, my wife's car starting over-revving, then RPMs (at steady speed) started varying wildly. At one point, the car resisted all attempts to exceed 55 mph; then at one point the power train would not respond at all to the accelerator. I pulled off the highway into the shoulder, shut down and restarted. The power train re-engaged but the RPMs were a problem. I barely limped into the final rest/service area in Ohio. After 1.5 hours of back and forth with AAA, who scheduled a tow, then canceled it because they were not allowed to operate on the turnpike, then rescheduled a tow with a turnpike-authorized-AAA-affiliate towing service (Jeswald Towing), the tow truck showed up at 430 PM. By then we had located Boardman Nissan and apprised them of the problem and that we were on our way. They closed at 5 PM on Saturday. 6-7 miles to Boardman, we called Nissan again and stated that GPS put us to them at 4:59 PM. They said, "We'll be here." They were! They checked in our car and promised to diagnose first thing Monday. [We Ubered it to Pittsburgh and our hotel with 5 minutes to spare for the Pirates game that evening.] An evening at the hotel across the street from the PNC Park, followed by an additional day at the hotel waiting for the Monday morning call. Monday morning the verdict came in from Boardman Nissan --- the CVT was gone and new transmission was needed. We Ubered it back to Boardman on Monday, rented a car and headed home. On Friday morning, the CVT replacement arrived and was installed same-day and we received an all-clear to come pick up the car on Saturday (today). We returned the rental to Boardman, picked up the car and back home we went. The staff of the service department at Boardman Nissan were courteous and caring as to our plight, as we would have felt even worse having to drop-box our keys if they had closed before we arrived. They greeted us with a smile and helped us calm down. We had called two other repair shops in the area on that Saturday afternoon and they didn't really want to hear about our problem. I give Boardman Nissan five (5) stars, because in our book they are superstars --- the entire staff. [Special shout-out to Brian, who professionally and calmly fielded three or four frantic calls from us that first Saturday afternoon.] read more

Horrible dealership, only interested in selling and not satisfying customers. We bought a new 2021 vehicle from them and my wife had 2 experiences where an 18 wheeler went by her on the highway and splashed the car and she lost the entire control panel both times. We complained to the dealership and were told, sounds like an electrical problem, we could look for months and never find the issue. Buy hey, buy this other 2021 with 10,000 miles for $15,000 more then you don't have to worry about it. Obviously a safety issue but Boardman Nissan couldn't care less. We will never recommend them or do business with them again ever. We bought a Ford. read more

Scammers! Stole my information gave them a call to figure out what was going on their solution was "unsubscribe" from the emails I was receiving of this suspicious activity. TRASH!! read more

Go anywhere but to this dealership ! I was in the car business for years and have never experienced so much deceit in my life! I ordered a car 10 months ago and we agreed on price which was full MSRP. The deal is documented in writing. They will not give me my car at the agreed upon price. They want to charge me 10 THOUSAND over sticker !! I pride myself on my word. Their word obviously means nothing !!! Sims Nissan in Warren Ohio values their customers. As a new customer there, I recommend them highly. You cannot run away fast enough from Boardman Nissan. read more

They wouldn't let you look at a car posted on their website without giving them Your name and number. We politely told the salesman three times we want to look at it first. Went to talk to someone and came Back again saying they needed Our name and phone number. We walked out. read more

What a joke. Don't walk; run away. Poor service. Their gimmick is caring for veterans. Ya right. It's just that, a gimmick. Got a new car, took them 3 tries to detail it. Service? Forget it. Rude. Unreliable. Parts? Hope you like wrong parts that you wait forever for. They used to be awesome for parts but now under new management. Biggest joke ever. Manager just plays on his phone and is rude read more

They have a DC Fast Charger on site, but when I called staff said it was broken. Additionally, the staff didn't seem to know about the charger and I had to be passed around twice before someone could tell me the charger wasn't operational. As an owner of a 2019 Nissan Leaf Plus it's annoying to see Nissan dealerships not maintaining the fast charging infrastructure for the cars that they sell. This made my road trip from WI to MD difficult as there were no other fast chargers for CHAdeMO plugs between Cleveland and Pittsburgh. read more

I was in a tough spot with my previous vehicle loan, and Boardman Nissan's sales team worked hard to get me approved for a new vehicle without any hassle to me! It was refreshing to deal with Richard, who was honest and up front with me; I will continue to refer people to this dealership! read more

Service associate did not have any kind of face covering on. When I asked to speak to the service manager he approached me also with no face covering on. This is the first and last Nissan I will ever purchase. If o could give them lower than one star I would. read more

DO NOT SERVICE YOUR VEHICLE HERE! WILL NOT HONOR WARRANTIES! I purchased my Nissan Frontier from John Sisson Nissan in Washington PA in 2014. I have taken my vehicle for all routine service and bigger issues to Nissan Dealerships since purchasing it. John Sisson was awesome. Fast forward I moved to Ohio in 2013 and starting taking in to Boardman Nissan. Again, great service. Recently purchased by new ownership - they have lost all my prior work and now will not honor a warranty on their battery. My battery purchased in January 2023 is already dead. Not only are they requiring me to bring my truck into their shop (battery is dead won't start) but they are claiming they do not have any records from before their purchase. What a terrible way to start with new ownership - I will be finding somewhere else for everything and will not be purchasing a vehicle from here if this is how they treat customers of 10 years. read more

I wish I would have looked at Yelp before wasting my time. After making it very clear about our monthly payment and budget, and finding a car the manager tried to get us to sign paperwork that was a double the down payment and double the monthly payments. DON'T SIGN ANYTHING WITHOUT MAKING SURE IT IS WHAT YOU WANT! We walked out after that, and am glad we did. read more

Extremely disappointed in how sales manager (Sean) treated us when we were buying a car. Asked for numbers. After waiting three hours (this was after test driving), never did get number. When called to get them - Same sales manager hung up on us. We went to another dealer that night and bought a car. Poor customer service. read more

Filed Bankruptcy, it was already discharged when wife and me contacted this dealership. Was told by sales person and manager there Mike that they could help us get into a vehicle. Gave them all the info on a Monday night. Was told that Eric would work on it the next day. When that day came, we had to call them as the did not call us. Told by both Russ and Eric now are say the $500 we have must be $2000.00 and we need more established credit after the bankruptcy. What gives about the 'New chance program' Seem like a fake to me!! read more

NEW I purchased a 2020 Chrysler Pacifica. I had it shipped to a car carrier service. When the vehicle arrived it was completely disgusting it looked like they drove through mud. Inside and out the car was completely filthy motor compartment everywhere. They even left the for sale stickers on the windshield. Every time I purchase a vehicle you always get it super clean especially inside. Not in this case. I inspected the car immediately and noticed that the keyless entry system did not work in the automatic opener of the rear sliders did not work. Called immediately and send them a video. I was told it was impossible for those things not to be working that the car was completely tested every button was pressed and everything was working. I scheduled a service at the local Chrysler dealer. And was told that someone in the dealership disconnected some modules for the rear door in the keyless entry system. Out-of-pocket $150 no reimbursement. Took the car to my mechanic to have a checked out. Two rear tires fault and had to be replaced. Also needed a front in alignment car was pulling to the right very very much. Also vehicle needed a oil change. Looks like they didn't even change the oil. AUTO pocket $900. no reimbursement. they basically told me that anything wrong wrong with the car I was going to have to pay for it because there was enough money in it for them. At the end of the day and I ended up spending $1150 out of pocket. But living out of state I pretty much had no choice because they knew I would not drive the car back for them to fix it. The only nice person in the dealership was the title girl the Amanda. was a great help with all of the paperwork. I do not usually post anything negative about any businesses but I felt like I had to. There was no call back how everything was nothing. So buyer beware especially if you're buying out of state. read more

These guys are extremely Humble and Nice. Big Thank You to Terry for letting me charge my vehicle here while on a business trip. A great and friendly experience! Buy your next Nissan from Boardman! read more

HA! I would NOT recommend bringing business here. I came here looking to buy a Titan XD by the end of the year (less than two weeks). They said they needed a deposit to secure one. I didn't agree to this as they didn't even have the model I wanted on the lot to test drive first. Then I learned that the truck I'm looking for won't even be in by the end of the year. So basically they wanted me to put a deposit down on a truck they couldn't even get. ...Interesting sales strategy. Also, they originally offered me $7400 for my trade-in (cash price). When I showed up, I made the mistake of telling them what my pay-off balance was for my car ($7000). As you could imagine, they immediately changed their offer to $7000, go figure. $7000 was less than they originally offered, but we mutually agreed to this number....I just wanted to get rid of it and get a truck. Side Note: Don't EVER tell dealerships your pay-off balance on your trade-in. Once they realized they couldn't get the truck I wanted, they decided to hit me with all kinds of service fees on the cash offer for my car. This was their way of backing out on their previous two offers and a roundabout way of bringing my car's value down to $5800. On the service deductions, they put $335 for front brakes and rotors (FYI that's $120 in parts and a half-hour job). Funny how they want to charge a premium for labor rates and parts on a car that they're going to charge some poor shmuck a premium for on the resale side. To quote the salesman, "We're probably only going to be able to sell this car for $9000. It just doesn't make sense for us". Sorry, I didn't realize the entire sales force here needed to make more than $2000 on a trade-in to survive. Bottom line: I came here looking for a truck for myself and a Maxima for my wife in the Spring. They essentially lost a truck sale and a car sale because they wanted to make a fortune on my trade-in, and didn't honor their offers on my car when they couldn't get me the truck I wanted. You're only as good as your word. read more

My girlfriend had been shopping for a new vehicle for a few weeks and we stopped at Boardman Nissan where she had a mediocre reception the week before. Despite the poor previous visit she was interested in giving Boardman Nissan a second try. Her salesperson, Wesley, was warm and inviting. He showed genuine interest in helping his customer find a vehicle. All was going well until we sat down to discuss financing. The numbers that he provided were not what she had been originally quoted and more importantly did not follow the rules of basic arithmetic. The amount for a monthly payment given to us by Wesley was about 100 dollars more than what my CAR PAYMENT CALCULATOR tool was giving me. We reviewed the price of the car, the interest rate, and the number of months and we still came up with different amounts. He sai that there were "other factors" that caused an increase of 100 dollars and required a down payment of $3000.00. We asked what the "other factors" were and he said he would get his manager. The Sales Manager, "BIG JOHN" arrived and said, " ok what have we got here" and, " what is it going to take to get you into your new car, sweetie?" Sweetie? Was the year suddenly 1960? I was willing to overlook his use of derogatory terms for my girlfriend and myself like "sweetie", "hun", and "bud" if we could just arrive at a mutually fair agreement. I once again reviewed the data for John. "This is the price of the car, correct?" "Yes", he said "And this is the interest rate, correct?" "Yes" , he said "And this is the number of months we are looking at for the loan, correct?" "Yes", he said again. I showed him the CAR PAYMENT CALCULATOR tool I had with the monthly payment amount and I said that his amounts were off. He smiled and said, "that doesn't matter." Doesn't matter? He again referred to his payment that was almost 100 dollars more than mine. I told him that he was incorrect and I encouraged him to share his math with me. John leaned back in his chair and with a sarcastic sneer on his face said, "What is it you are not understanding?" I was shocked. "What is it you are not understanding?" I could not believe that a SALES MANAGER at Boardman Nissan would speak to a customer like that. Is this the type of behavior that Boardman Nissan breeds into its sales culture? John was insulting, condescending, and not the least bit professional. Boardman Nissan should be ashamed that they employ such garbage. What an embarrassment to your dealership. Is this how you treat all of your customers? Are your staff members given any exposure to good customer service skills training? We abruptly got up to leave and as we stepped out the door John called out, "have a nice day, hun". The experience was one of the worst customer service nightmares I have ever witnessed. BIG JOHN was ignorant, rude, and clearly not trained for the position he holds at the dealership. How sad for Boardman Nissan that they have to resort to hiring stereotypical used car salesman to sell their vehicles. In order to help others avoid the terrible treatment that we were given I will be sharing our story via Twitter, Facebook, Google Reviews, Glassdoor, and other sites. A copy of this letter will be mailed to Nissan Corporate headquarters and the Better Business Bureau as well. I would suggest that at the next weekly "sales meeting" time should be dedicated to reviewing some basic concepts like Courtesy, Ethics, Professionalism, Character, and Integrity. Those items are sorely lacking at the establishment. Look Elsewhere for your next car. Brian deSaulles read more

I can't speak for the actual quality of the service done here but the service adviser with short blond hair (Amanda I believe) is a complete and utter bitch. I would have left the car there for servicing had it not been for her poor attitude and social skills that left us feeling like we were wasting her precious time by asking questions about the work she was recommending. Sorry sweetheart but there are other options out there that don't involve interacting with your winning charm. She is about as personable as a prison guard crossed with a drill sergeant. Not the type of person you would expect to see interacting with prospective clients. Do yourself a favor and avoid this dealer or at least avoid this poor excuse for a service adviser!! read more

Recently made deal on used truck. Salesman confirmed price agreement via text. Deal proceeded over a weeks time. Following day they reneged on price saying it had to be $500 more. Sales Mgr was unwilling to back agreed to price stating salesman can't make that price call. Also stated there was a $250 'docking fee'. ...truck must float in water too I guess! So called Brian COO. He listened and said he'd reply ASAP. Never called back. Then sales Mgr called and said truck is sold. Moral of the story....Youngstown is said to history of shady people. These people are not ethical business people. Would use caution in dealing there. read more

We had a wonderful experience with Danielle as our Sales person and Natalie in finance....can't speak for service but sales was great! read more

#1 Cochran Nissan Boardman - Car Dealers Near Me - Boardman, Ohio

Went in knowing exactly what car we had and what our budget was, they tried showing us multiple brand new cars that we couldn't afford because we could "come back in 2 years and refinance." We did end up settling on a new car, but it was a base model and we found out we can just refinance through the bank and won't have to deal with going back in for the sales pitch. They then told us that we can't transfer the plates from the old car (they had just been renewed a couple months prior, so we didn't want to have to pay all over again) and they would be getting new plates in for us and we could just pick them up when we brought the car in for the one month checkup. We were told this multiple times and asked the sales man to verify we couldn't just transfer the plate. Nope. Ok. So it's been a month, we haven't heard from them, and called to see if the plates were in. Another sales rep told us they can't get us plates and we have to go get new ones. We tried contacting our rep and the sales manager we spoke with, both are conveniently unavailable. So now we have to pay $60 instead of just $5 to transfer the plates. We love our Nissan, but will never visit Boardman again. On a side note, my partner is transgender and we asked that they call her "her" but of course they ignored this and we got a lot of "dude" and "bro" thrown at us. So there's that too. read more

Bought a new car the sales person was great but the sales manager who deals with financing the car was horrible... not only were we lied to as to what's covered up the extended warranty we were lied to about when the first payments as due.... he "explained" what's included in the contract when that was not the truth I want to return the car that I got with 13 miles on it to then cause we were lied to.... read more

I purchased a brand new 2021 Nissan Rogue in Oct of 2021. The sales staff was great and the experience was good. I took my car for my 3rd service at 15,000 miles in Oct of 2022 for and oil change and tire rotation. I was informed that I needed 4 new tires because the tread was down to 3/32. I was surprised because the tire rotations had been done and the car only had 15,000 miles. I filed a claim with Hankook and was offered $77 per tire credit if i buy new Hankook tires and pay full price and wait until the credit is received by the dealership then forwarded to me. The dealership told me not to be surprised if I didn't receive the full credit as this has happened before. Boardman Nissan offered no other help then to offer a different brand of tires that ranged from $1000- $1200 based on my need for better tires at buy 3 get one free when the same tires at Sam's Club are just over $800 installed. The dealership didn't stand behind what they are selling in my opinion. They told me they went to bat for me with Hankook but made no other attempt at a solution for a clearly unacceptable situation. I guess I should have never strayed from Honda. Lesson learned. This was my first and likely last Nissan. Now I'm just waiting to see what other substandard materials are on the car. read more

These people will tell you anything to make a sale and when a problem arises only a few months later they will do everything they can to NOT assist you. I will never shop here again and I will tell everyone that will listen about how badly I was treated at Boardman Nissan. read more

I was treated with respect at the dealership by James aka To Tall, he took his time and listened to me.James explained the ins and outs of my purchasing a car, and I thank him for that. He also had great patience as I asked him to repeat things a lot. James made sure he offered me refreshments and directed me to the area of the restrooms. In three years I'll be back to upgrade and I will make sure I call James ahead of time. read more

I just purchased my 8th vehicle from Boardman Nissan and they go over and beyond every time! Wes Collier was awesome and had my new truck ready for me when I arrived. Those folks are first class!!!!! If you need a great vehicle and greaat service, go to Boardman Nissan!!! read more

Be aware of these slimy lying scumbags! Went there to test drive vehicle and after agreeing to price we left to get a cashiers check from our bank. Rob, salesman, says we're "required by law" to fill out a credit application. Really? That's very interesting so when I questioned him on what law that is he states "I don't know". Well let me help you out Rob, THERE IS NO LAW!!! Sales manager comes over trying to strong arm us into signing credit application. Hey Eric....you're not much brighter than Rob. He try's telling us we need to fill out credit app so they can verify that he's not doing business with terrorist and that we say who we are. You can verify we are not terrorist by running an OFAC report - which has zero to do with a credit application. I guess he was butt hurt because he wasn't going to be getting his kick back from the finance company because we did not need a loan. If they lied to our faces TWICE just imagine what else they lie about. You guys are why used car salesmen have such a bad reputation - the only thing you're missing is the cheesy plaid suit. Thank god we left without making the purchase!!!! read more

I would not recommend the service department to anyone. I brought my car in to be serviced and paid 421.00 hard earned money only to go start my car and the exact same thing I brought my car in for seemed to be the same. Please do not go there they are BLUE COLLARD SCAM ARTIST read more

Scott Williams was great, answered all my questions and got me into the car at a great price. Made my buying process quick and painless.Would recommend him to anyone looking for a new car. Service and finance was also very helpful. read more

Don't buy a car here. I agreed to a deal over the phone and when I arrived they backed off the trade in. Said they couldn't give me the price they promised. Wanted me to accept $1500 less for trade in. Of course I walked. I had the offer on paper from them. No apology, very shady business practices for sure, bait and switch. Go elsewhere please!!!! read more

DO NOT GO HERE. My husband went in to have an oil change and tires rotated on his Infinity. First of all the service department rummaged through his car to find the wheel lock key ( shouldn't they know where this is located?). Finally after they went through his car looking for it they then came to ask my husband where it was located and he had to tell them where it was. After the service was done and he got home he noticed that his trunk would not open at all from the outside. He then tried opening it from the inside with the manual latch and still no luck. He then tired even pulling the fuse to reset the electronics and it still would not open. This car is a 2008 and since the day he had it up until he took it in for service on Monday July 3, 2017 the trunk worked perfectly fine! He then took it in today July 5, 2017 and explained how it worked fine until he took it in. They then took a look and found a bolt wedged in where the hatch closes. So now the trunk opens from the inside but not the outside and the service manager doesn't have any idea where the bolt came from and says he cannot pin this on his boys! Ummm now they are saying they may have to order a part to fix this, of course at our expense! This place is so unprofessional and they obviously have no idea how to service cars! Again we went in for an oil change and tire rotation and ended up with a broken trunk! AVOID AT ALL COSTS! read more

Fooled into buying 10K service plan because I travel for work. A year (one, single year) after buying car, a part died from "internal failure" which I found out meant it was a bad part. I had to pay $1,000 to replace despite the plan. I'll never buy any Nissan again and routinely let people know about the business practice of selling a faulty product and selling a worthless plan for thousands of dollars. read more

The service department was absolutely rude. There are many ways to handle situations and they are obviously not taught about how to deal with issues when they arise. I spoke with the GM/owner and he did not care that his service advisor was ignorant. I will drive 30-45 extra minutes just to avoid these people. read more

I have just returned to my home and its 02:30 am, and I am still fuming over a wasted 650 mile trip to this sorry dealership where I had every previous intention of purchasing a 2010 Kia Soul. My wife and I have been looking on the web at used Kia Souls and came across this black, automatic, red interior one that we were interested in at Boardman Nissan, located at 7809 Market St, Boardman OH. My wife called and inquired about the vehicle and spoke to a salesman named Jason, and was very specific that we wanted to be out the door at $15,000 or less. Jason said that $15,500 was as low as he could go, then called us back and said that they could do $15,000. My wife was very specific in her directions to him that if the car had ANY damages, we wanted to be aware of them because it was a long drive and we were serious about purchasing the vehicle but didn't want to get there and it not be what we were told or expecting. Jason assured us that he had walked around the vehicle twice and it was spotless inside and out. After six hours of traveling, it took my wife and I less than five minutes to notice all the paint chip marks in the hood and at the passenger rear wheel along with what appeared to be white paint over spray at the rear wheel. When we brought this to his and the other salesman's attention, Jason said their paint guy that did touch ups had not been in for a couple of weeks and that is why it was in that condition. We then drove the car and noticed three chips in the windshield. Jason said that they could deduct the cost of us having to repair the paint and replace the windshield and would run some figures by his boss; he then returned to us and said $15,500. We explained that $15,500 was the original price and that we had said we needed to be out the door at $15,000 or less as we previously discussed six hours and 325 miles earlier. You would have thought we began speaking a foreign language to him at that moment. He then had no memory of that being the price, became offensive and assured us of what a great deal we were getting. I got angry and went to our vehicle after just driving 325 miles and now facing the same distance in the opposite direction for what could and should have been confirmed on the phone earlier. Before leaving the area, I stopped to fuel up our vehicle and my wife called back to ask Jason if some sort of deal could be worked out, and Jason said that now they couldn't let the car go for less than $16,300, now just becoming an arrogant ass. If any one is considering Boardman Nissan, you may want to reconsider before shopping there, if you do decide to go, and then do your homework on the vehicle you want to purchase and visibly go over it well. If you notice something wrong with it, notice how the salesman will have some limp dick excuse and as the price negotiating begins, you will realize that these guys are young con artist. BUYERS BEWARE OF BOARDMAN NISSAN. Mr. Hager Willow Wood, OH (325 miles away) read more