Manuel Avelino aka Manny A is a fantastic low pressure sales person. He was able to answer all my questions regarding purchasing my 2022 F250 and followed through the purchase process from beginning to end. I highly recommend DriveMax & Manny A!!!!! I'll be back! read more

DO NOT BUY HERE! YOU WILL REGRET IT. I PROMISE YOU WILL THANK ME LATER... And def don't buy from Robbie. First off I'm no Karen, see my other reviews. Lot's of positive reviews... Robbie is new/young as he previously worked at Chipotle(his 1st job, we all have to start somewhere so NBD). Here's my experience: I went on CarGurus at about 2am I saw a Nissan Rogue that was perfect for me. It was priced right, so I put down a deposit online. I also scheduled an appointment and I showed up the next day about 30 minutes late(being honest always) I had the deposit down so I wasn't worried, and had been texting that morning & the night before with a person that said I'm all set to come in for a test drive... I show up and I was happy as they had it pulled up for me. As soon as I walk in, I went to the desk and told them I was here and about my deposit/appointment. I was told the vehicle "Just Sold", they were not lying, they sold the vehicle. Obviously I was unhappy, the Manager said he has over 200 vehicles on the lot and he will make it right. I will spare you all the frustration and just say I went on a ride with Robbie about 10-15 minutes away to look at a vehicle that wasn't even there(Body Shop) At this point I'm already not happy. I spent 4 hours to leave with a vehicle that had not been detailed, and there was plenty of time to detail it. The manager said "Robbie we don't sell dirty cars"... well I needed to go... 4 hours is a long time... the communication to come back and get the vehicle serviced/detailed was horrible. After they sell you a car you don't exist... think about that before buying here. The vehicle had a radio that didn't work, and I was told this upon leaving via the manager "How do you feel about not having a radio for a bit?" Apparently they swapped out a bad radio(smaller screen) for the larger working original one. Being me, I needed the vehicle as they knew I was looking to drive away with it, so I said ok. I'm skipping a lot, but I'm here now 8 days later after dropping off the vehicle Monday evening, and it's been an hour, and my vehicle is still not ready... I am beyond frustrated... I was told that it would be ready at 10am last night. I still have the voicemail. I said just have it ready by noon(My mistake). I figured giving them more time would be a good thing, and nope not ready yet... I will be posting this honest review on all platforms. Here the customer is a nobody after they have your $. Oh and I was told I need to come back to have the driver side mirror replaced as well as them checking on a minor oil leak my mechanic found after bringing it to him before dropping it back off. This is unacceptable... sorry for the long review, but I want everyone to know there is Zero customer service or follow up after they have your money. This is exactly what happened... BUYER BEWARE!!! Oh and guess what they finally bring the Jeep out to me. It hasn't been detailed, the new radio is in it, but the odometer is still blinking. Passenger door mirror is still broken... this place is so useless after waiting an hour I finally walked inside as I'm sick and am waiting outside out of courtesy. I was not happy, to say the least. It ended with an exchange of F words with the MANGER Tom... is this really how you do business...and he said he was calling the cops on me... seems like this wasn't the 1st time this happened, if I wasn't in such a rush I would have love to stay and see how that would of played out. Totally showed their true colors in the end... I will now have to get this all fixed, get it detailed, and sue them for the $... I have never sued anyone in my life. You sure you want to go here... just for the record. I am a local business owner for 20+ years. I've never been treated this way... read more

I would give this place zero stars if I could. Save yourself the headache and the money--stay far away from DriveMax. The entire experience was a masterclass in shady business tactics. First off, the price you see online is a complete lie. Once you sit down, they force a mandatory "accessory package" onto the contract that adds thousands to the final cost. It's non-negotiable and packed with things you don't want and didn't ask for. It gets worse. They flat-out refuse to take cash or outside financing. If you've done the smart thing and secured a loan through your own credit union, they won't talk to you. They force every customer into their own predatory lending schemes with astronomical interest rates designed to keep you in debt forever. If you are looking to buy a car, this isn't the place to find one. They don't care about customers; they only care about how much they can squeeze out of you through hidden fees and exploitative loans. Do yourself a favor and go literally anywhere else. read more

Worst place to buy a car. I bought my car from here, they ve told me car had no issues, 2 days later i had a engine check light on. They ve told me to fix the problem and send them the receipt so they can refund me the amount. Although they ve promised to make me refund, they did no refund. They ve lied to me. Spend your money somewhere honest read more

If I could give zero stars, I would. How this place is still operational is shocking. My family and I came in September to test drive a vehicle we saw online. The process itself was painful, and took way longer than it should to do a test drive. During the drive, the salesperson couldn't answer basic questions about the vehicle (safety rating, carfax report etc.). Despite that, my husband really wanted the car for his business and we decided to trade in our jeep for it. It took weeks for them to figure out how to title/sell a car to a business and not an individual. My husband was forced to go to them on TWO separate occasions just to handle paper work, all the while missing work (and pay). They finally decided to deliver the vehicle to our house given all the delays. They dropped it off with barely half a tank or gas and not a thorough cleaning (dirt on the mats and in the trunk). We took it to get an inspection sticker and our long time mechanic (who we've been working with for years) found an after market reader of some sort plugged into the cars computer system. The mechanic was stunned and wouldn't sticker the vehicle because he felt it was an illegal scanner/radar of sorts. Furious, we took the car back to the dealership and after a long ordeal, we were told that it was a 'lojack' device and completely 'compliant'. They took the car to get stickered at their location (the inspection center is likely friends with these guys). After all this (and terrible customer service) we continued to get charged for the car we traded in...for 3 months..all while the folks at the dealership dodged our calls. The bank where my original car loan was confirmed they sent the payoff amount to them LESS 3 months because of what was coming out of my account. Had I canceled the autopayments while the loan was still 'active' it would have RUINED my credit and probably been alerted for REPO. I several more times in the last few weeks and STILL conveniently the team members needed to fix this (finance, accounting, controllers etc) are all not working. I finally broke down and said I will take them to small claims court for the money I paid (3 months of payments) while the car was in their possession. I have a signed contract from them stating the pay off amount and day they agreed to pay and I have my bank statements showing they failed to pay the right amount and the right day. I told the sales person if they do not pay me in the next 24 hours, I will take them to court. I have collected their first, last names and their job titles. This is fraudulent activity at its finest, please, do not buy from them. I will write another update tomorrow, pending the outcome. Here's hoping they pay and we can avoid court. read more

Honestly doesn't even deserve 1 star. The moment I walked in there I knew it was a crap hole. First guy I was brought to was extremely rude and said "it's my day off go away" to the gentleman that brought us over. So I ended up talking to another guy who tried ripping me off on almost $2k of registration fees and wouldn't budge the price at all on a 10 year old vehicle. Terrible customer service and you will get scammed with fees. STAY AWAY. UPDATE: They dropped the price $500, 5 days after. Don't get scammed read more

Would rate zero stars. Made an appointment to test drive a vehicle. Arrived and checked in and while waiting for the vehicle to be pulled up, I received a text saying thank you hope you enjoyed your test drive. I thought that was strange since had been waiting for about 15 minutes. When I asked the desk they said they would check on it. The representative said oh looks like someone came in 2 min ago (before you?) and is interested so we can't show it to you. Then tells me I'm welcome to wait? I left. I wonder how long I would have sat there if I hadn't went to ask about the text that was generated when the took the vehicle off hold for someone else while I was sitting there waiting. Very unprofessional, and can see from the reviews on here probably for the best not purchasing a vehicle here. read more

These guys are thieves. They held onto my girlfriend's $500 deposit and never gave it back when we didn't purchase a car. Their employee stole the cash. The dealership did nothing to correct the situation. Funny how the guy that stole her money wasn't there a week later. The service was awful. She waited all day for no help. They promised to have her in a car by end of day then ignored her. We got the cops involved and they acted like they would refund the deposit but never did. Do not buy or support shady business. read more

If you don't do a basic google search about this obvious scam of a dealership then shame on you. My 25 year old daughter was suckered in by these charlatans. In March of 2025 she purchased with $ a 2016 Volvo V60 Cross Station Wagon with 88K miles. It now sits in my driveway waiting to be purchased for parts because the engine died after 7K miles. I am currently trying to find out from my daughter who the buyer is because I think the scam may be so sophisticated that they set up the buyer to be helpful to my daughter, the victim of the scam, to sell the car back only to be made road worthy for the next buyer/victim. My daughter will obviously have taken a huge hit to her savings and is now scrambling to get a new car. I'm trying to ascertain who is buying the car for parts because I know its the people at Drivemax.com who obviously don't care how they make a living. Congratulations you are predators who profited off of a young woman who earned graduate degree in early childhood education and social work who spends her work days driving from family placement to family placement. My daughter has spent countless hours doing internships so that she is uniquely qualified to be an early childhood educator with a graduate degree in education so that she can intervene when needed for children in crisis but is so well trained that her passion is being a side by side, physical resource, for young families that need it. Again, congratulations to drivemaxma.com https://www.drivemaxma.com read more

sold me a car that had the check engine light turn on the next day, water in my headlights, screen freezes/doesnt work, remote start doesn't work, breaks need to be done. and had the audacity to ask me to remove my review after they have done nothing to resolve my issues. not even an apology. do not purchase from here, they do not care read more

I made the stupid choice of paying for a car over the phone (28K) now, nobody has called me back. It's been about two weeks. I NEVER WRITE REVIEWS. HORRIBLE. read more

BE CAREFUL! They rollback odometers. Check your carfax. This place is a scam. I would not recommend.

This is literally the first review ive written on anything my entire life. these scammers draw you in with low prices and high trade in values just to sell you a trap of a car. The sales woman i spoke to (i dont rememebr her name but shes spanish and pregnant) was the only bright spot of this dealership but she was completely clueless to the scams the managers were running, when the financing numbers didnt add up she couldnt explain it to me and after an hour of back and forths the sales manager finally came up to me with the mst aggressive attitude ive ever experienced. we basically got into a shouting arguement because i simply exposed there scheme. i was going to purchase a warranty because the engine was making some odd noise but now im really happy i didnt even purchase the car because im sure it was a lemon. the manager also literally refused to accept any outside financing, apparently they ONLY do internal financing, he even told me i wasnt allowed to purchase the car in cash. seriously, dont get tricked by the prices, its not worth the risk and the disrespect. theres a reason this place has 1.7 stars on YELP. what theyre doing is illegal and the better business bureau seriously needs to step in. read more

I bought my aui a4 2018 from here. Love it. Got AP help me out through the processed. Highly recommended. read more

I purchased a Volvo XC90 T6 from Emmett, and this is the second time that I have purchased a Volvo from this location. The first Volvo XC90 that I purchased five years ago was the owner of the dealership's Volvo and I had five great years with the vehicle. I did a nationwide search for a used Volvo XC90 T6 and this dealership had the most competitive pricing, and the vehicle had not been in an accident previously. Emmett followed up with me after I expressed interest and I did a test drive I decided to purchase the vehicle and I will be driving it home today, Tuesday February 20, 2024. The proceeds dropped $3000 and was well below the Blue Book price listing. Emmett did a nice job in working through the paperwork and I will check this dealership the next time that I am looking to purchase a used vehicle. My sincere thanks to Emmett and the team at Auto Center in West Bridgewater, Massachusetts location! read more

I worked with salesman Apollon who was extremely patient and pleasant to deal with. He went above and beyond to answer all my questions and concerns. Even drove my car to my long-time mechanic for evaluation and he expedited the repair of the few minor fixes required. I would recommend Auto Center Sales, and Apollon, to anyone seeking a solid used car at a good price. read more

DriveMax - Used 2015 Nissan Sentra in great condition - Auto Repair Near Me - West Bridgewater, Massachusetts

Apollon was fantastic. The vehicle was exactly as described and the transaction seamless! read more

DriveMax - Auto Repair Near Me - West Bridgewater, Massachusetts

My son bought a 2017 Toyota Tacoma in October 20205. DriveMax was suppose to replace the battery and detail the seats. Per our written agreement with sales person Nick. He also stated it will be in the written agreement to fix, so it will be done. We picked it up and same battery was in there. Even though the Manager said a new battery was instilled. We went back in and told them the agreement. They called to verify with Nick and nick said yes detail the seats and new battery. Twenty minutes later we go truck and went home as it was late in the day. Seats were not detailed and battery was replaced with a used battery. Called and texted Nick several times and said would replace battery. Even got hung up on too. Ask to talk to Manager and Nick said he would call. Never heard anything back from DriveMAx. Also a big Scam DriveMAx on their website states 6 Month Warranty on all vehicles. When you go to buy the car they charge you $950 for the 6 Month Warranty and a (Scam) LoJack? We said we don't want LoJack? Nick said it is on every car they sell and the cost is $950. I said I just want the 6 Month Warranty. I don't believe this is even on my son truck he bought nor any other vechicles DriveMax sells and sounds like a Scam for $950 each car they sell. They did reduce it to $599. The whole arrangement was such an awful experience and the LoJack Scam. We still never heard back from DriveMax about battery or seat detailed. read more

Terrible "dealership". They aren't even a dealership. They are a used car place. The have terrible customer service with low-tier, unprofessional staff. They think they are the only game in town. They gave me a crazy low-ball figure on my potential trade. They wouldn't budge on the price of the car that I wanted. I asked him to come down $500 and he would have a deal. He said NO. He said that they compare all their prices with similar cars and they have the best deals. I told them I was all set and I was going to leave. The young salesman still kept telling me about interest rates and what my payments would be. I told him again as I was getting up. He still kept on going. I left. 2 months later, that exact car is still on their lot, but over $2,000 less. That's what I call bad business. I bought a similar car for less money from a better dealership. I guess they don't have the best deals. read more

Don't shop here. And definitely do not get the warranty. Recommend you do your business elsewhere.

Came here to look at the Honda Insight, twice and BOTH times, I was told they could not find the key and it was lost?! First time, ok sure things happen. But the second time.... when my sales person went to the desk with the managers to ask about it, they told her to figure it out stupid?? I called to see if the key was ever found and I was told it was and the car was already sold! I was told I would get a phone call when the key was found and I NEVER got that call. Between the smoking in the building, the swearing, and the rudeness of the managers and the one manager calling everyone "stupid", I honestly think I dodged a bullet here! read more

Bought a car from this dealership this week and had an amazing experience. My salesman, Apollon (AP for short) was excellent. He went above and beyond making sure that I was happy and comfortable the entire experience. Would 100% recommend. read more

A bunch of SCAMMERS. DO NOT DO ANY BUSINESS WITH THEM. I went on saturday to look at a pickup truck that was in their lot. we ended up working details out and they were very helpful. I was doing a down payment of $3000 and a trade in for $1500. They told us they don't take credit cards so we had to venmo them which took out an additional 90$ fee. We signed all the paperwork and they had us sign over the title to my car. The following Monday i was supposed to pick up the truck. But then they said i needed to finalize insurance so i got in touch with my insurance company and got an insurance binder. The insurance stamped it and sent it back so that was all set. Then they called again and said the bank was having issues (keep in mind they said i couldn't finance through my own bank and had to use theirs) I asked for them to keep in touch with me about what was going on. My salesman answered the phone once and that was it, other than that i tried calling a couple times and everytime i was transfered to either my salesman or the department i requested, then the line would hangup. My salesman reached out after i texted him twice and said the financial manager was calling the bank to make sure everything gets settled and he would call me back within the hour. Fast forward to today tuesday I called the main line and asked to speak to financial and after 3 tries i got connected and the financial manager told me he was out sick yesterday and that they never called the bank. Even though my salesman told me he was calling the bank and that he was working things out? but according to him he was sick. The bank denied me because im 18 and don't have any credit even though they told me saturday it was all set and that the bank approved me and they had me sign ALL the paperwork for buying it. The general manager Tom called me and was saying that they could try something else and i told him i was all set. An hour later me and my dad showed up to get our refund and the title to my car back. We sat there for 20 mins because they wouldn't send the refund back and finally when they did they refused to give us the 90$ even though we only payed the transfer fee because we thought the deal was all set and they said they can't take credit cards only venmo. Then they scrambled around trying to find the title to my car. My salesman was also not there because it was his day off so when i texted him telling him he replied "i'm sorry" Which is the most unprofessional response. I also found out he had known since yesterday the bank denied me and kept telling me he didn't have any information which was just lies. The lack of communication in this place is horrifying. I have never heard of a place that has you sign all the paperwork and get an insurance binder and tells you the bank is all set just to back out next day. In my 3 day experience all they did was lie and manipulate. Upfront they will be so helpful but once the paperwork is signed and they can't hold up their end they will not answer you or help you in anyway. NEVER USE THIS BUSINESS. read more

Emmett was incredibly professional and very helpful! I will never shop a vehicle anywhere else as long as I get to deal with Emmett and Justin (finance)!!! read more

I would give them 0 stars if I could. Potential buyers beware. These people are not trustworthy, unreliable, and unprofessional. Saturday 2/12/22 while in the area my husband and I decided to stop by to see if they had any vehicles we would be interested in. We found a white ford passenger van. A woman assisted us and allowed us to test drive. We decided we wanted it and expressed that when we returned to the "dealership." We paid a $300 cash app deposit to hold the vehicle while they ran our credit to get approved for an auto loan. Monday comes, we call in to check the status and we're told someone would call us back. When we didn't get a call back we called them back and were told their systems are down and they are unable to check the status. Also the woman who helped us Saturday was out sick. Tuesday we call back and they tell me and my husband that their systems were still down. But somehow I got an alert from credit karma and my Experian app that their company pulled my credit report that same day Wednesday comes and we call again (because surprise! No one ever called us back) and we're told we were denied. No one can tell us why. Only that the "bank" will send us something in the mail. I go back to Experian to see what bank pulled my credit. When I called the "bank" no one could find an application for me. I asked if the deposit I made would be able to hold the vehicle until Friday and was told probably not because others were really interested in the vehicle. At that point my husband and I are frustrated because we put in time and effort (and MONEY) into this vehicle. In the midst of our frustration my husband writes a google review expressing the unprofessionalism we received. Thursday my husband revisits the "dealership" and talks to a manager to negotiate a way to purchase the van. They came to terms and we set up a date for Saturday 02/19/2022 to come pick up the vehicle. Later in the day we finally get a call back from SOMEONE. It's the manager calling to say that he will not be selling us the van because he saw the google review. Instead of apologizing for the unprofessionalism and making us jump through hoops, he calls my husband (keep in mind the loan would be under my name not my husbands) and gets into a screaming match. He then agrees to sell us the vehicle only if we waive the warranty(shady much?). I am really curious as to what the attorney general would have to say about their business practices. read more

Don't go here. Sold me a car i was able to drive one day then brake failure and abs light came on. It was an 08 Ford Escape White. They had the car for over a month "repairing" it. Service department doesnt call you back either and they wont update you. Know your rights before coming here or to any used dealer really. Eventually got a refund but save yourselves the time and just avoid these people. read more

Do not I repeat do not purchase the extended warranty from Auto Center sales @ service in west bridgewater!!! the warranty is a scam!! 2Bsafe is the warranty company they do not pay out the claims!!! $2000 warranty for absolutely nothing!!! buyer beware!!!!!! read more

DO NOT PURCHASE A VEHICLE FROM HERE!!! They forced me to write a good review after my boyfriend bought a truck, that truck turned out to have issues and they said they fixed it but it is still having the same issues. Justin in finance screamed at him over the phone and threatened to take us to court. They are refusing to take the truck back and have been absolutely terrible with communication, not answering calls or updating us on anything. BE WARNED THESE PEOPLE ARE SCAM ARTISTS!!!!!! read more

Unfortunately, this dealership is currently lying about the history and ownership of, at least, one of their vehicles. Please see the attached screenshot. The vehicle description on Facebook, multiple third-party car websites, and their own website says the vehicle has a clean AutoCheck report with no accidents and one owner. The vehicle has had one accident and five previous owners. This is a huge red flag for me. Please be warned. read more

DriveMax - Dealership claims in vehicle description (on multiple websites) that there is only one owner, no accident, clean AutoCheck report. Not true. - Auto Repair Near Me - West Bridgewater, Massachusetts

For a company that claims they do pre inspections before selling a car we were suppose to pick up our jeep today and got a call that the frame was cracked and they couldn't sell the car. They admitted it hadn't been pre-inspected after all and had it on the sales floor anyway. We tried to work with them on another sale of a vehicle giving them the benefit of the doubt since we had pre approval in hand and insurance ready to go. It came down to $500 and they refused make it right. The manager even admitted that they have so many cars on the lot there is no way to know what's pre-inspected and what isn't. I would stay far away. I could say so much more just trust me when I say you don't want to do business with this place. read more

STAY AWAY! Put down a deposit on a vehicle only to find out through the bank that was lending me money that the car has major structural and or frame damage. Swante claimed to know nothing about it. Horrible experience. Played phone tag throughout the ordeal and was deceived from the jump. Take your business elsewhere! read more

Highly recommend not doing business with this place. Found a car I loved, sales guy was great but when it came time to talk numbers the finance guy Jeff kept trying to pressure me into purchasing an extended warranty. I decided to put a $300 deposit and think it over. When I called back the next day to discuss the numbers again and insisted on not purchasing the warranty, I was told I "better not call them in two months when my transmission fails." This made me super uncomfortable so decided to ask for my deposit back (well within the 48 hours) and look elsewhere. It's now been almost two weeks and every time I call to check the status of my refund, I'm told all the mangers are in a meeting or assisting customers. No one will call me back or send me my deposit. Mostly I'm relieved I didn't purchase a vehicle from this sketchy, scammy place. One star for the salesguy who was great until he started ignoring me for asking to check on my refund. read more

Beware of the warranty offered for maintainance! I was told it is the best plan and it covers nothing! Buyer Beware!!!! I am filing a complaint with the Atty General's office for fraud! Anybody else out Do the same! read more

Looking for a car? Don't bother. It's like these guys don't even want your business. I reached out about a car listed on their website and have had to deal with two different salespeople (Nestor and Kevin) both of whom couldn't be bothered to return emails, text messages, or calls. It takes multiple follow ups to get any kind of a response. I've never tried this hard to give a dealership my business but I give up. Save yourself time and headache. Go somewhere else. read more

We found a car decently priced but were told that the price had to increase because lojack was installed. We waited five hours when we picked up the car. Nothing was ready (registration, plate...). They then did the inspection there as I was too tired to go elsewhere to get the inspection and found that they needed new window shield wiper and light bulb which took another 90 minutes (they said two). Then we realized they only had one set of keys. I thought that at the price offered that they would have chipped in for two sets of keys. Overall underwhelming and five hours I will never get back. read more

This is a trash dealership with thug trash employees. I bought a car or should I say a lemon there in November and it's still failing inspection in April!!!!!! It's cost me another $3000 to fix it because the scam warranty they sell you is just that a scam they just keep saying to prove it back and forth they never pay for anything, we've sent them everything they've asked for and more and they still won't cover what they are supposed to. I called the dealership several times just to be lied to and hung up on. They finally told me I could have my money back I drove two hours to get there for them to tell me no and threaten to hit me?!?!?!?!?! Physical violence is what these thugs resort to if you try to question the lemon law. Now I have to go to court. STAY AWAY FROM THIS TRASH THUG FAKE DEALERSHIP!!!!! RUN TO ANOTHER ONE!!!!! read more

We had nothing but problems with this dealership they sold us a lemon. They still owe my 18 year old his down payment and his first payment made on a lemon. This dealer is phenomenal at bait and switch. Often using pictures online instead of pictures of the actual vehicle. Ran our credit report more than 8 times with hard inquiries without authorization! read more

DO NOT GET THE GAP INSURANCE. It's a scam like many of the other things they say. I financed gap on my loan to avoid having to pay out of pocket if I had an accident. That's how it was explained to me. Financing gap was over 1000 and I owed over 1000 after my loan was settled with insurance, so if I never got the 1000$ gap insurance added to my loan I would have been at 0$ owed after insurance was settled. Horrible business, hope y'all like lemonade with the amount of lemons they push out of this place. read more

Disappointing experience. I give them two stars because they let me take the car I was interested in out for a test drive myself, which gave me the opportunity to experience it without someone selling me the entire time, but it went downhill from there. I tried to contact the salespeople multiple times through phone, email, and their website contact form in order to structure a deal, but no one responded. When I went back in person with verifiable market data to justify my price request, I was shot down immediately and the salesperson couldn't handle the discussion herself so she called her boss without trying to negotiate. Then when I asked about details of the warranty that was literally superimposed over the main picture of the car on their website as being included, I was told this car did not qualify for it. That was my last straw and I walked out. read more

ZERO STARS This place should be shut down! My alternator died on the highway the day after purchase and now I need to put about $2k into it to fix idler pulleys and flush everything because the fluids are black. I got the 2BSafe warranty (another scam) but it doesn't start for 30 days after purchase because anything that happens before that is considered "pre existing condition". The service department DOES NOT go over your car before leaving the lot. This was THE WORST car buying experience ever and I'm sick to my stomach about it all. Live and learn I guess! read more