Martin was amazing and truly went above and beyond to help re-create my marriage. An Indian wedding consists of multiple ceremonies and celebrations, and Martin was able to thoughtfully piece together all of these different events. What separates Martin from other photographers I've worked with is his willingness to go the extra mile and his genuine desire to understand each ceremony and celebration, including its significance, so he can capture it properly. He truly cares and makes a concerted effort to re-create your marriage and events in a meaningful way. Aside from a few minor hiccups, Martin was able to meet me halfway and adjust on the fly, which I really appreciated. As many people know, it can be challenging to fully remember your own wedding amid everything happening, and I feel Martin did an excellent job preserving those moments. Overall, he did an outstanding job, and I would absolutely pick him again! read more

Martin was great to work with. You can tell he has an eye for things that make the photos just pop out and look amazing! He took our engagement photos and it turned out really special. I wished I used him sooner for special events. His work is one of a kind and it tells a story. The pictures he takes really do speak a thousand words. I like how he shows you his styles and what he has to offer first. He doesn't force or try to persuade you to go with him. He understands that everyone has their own different styles and he tries to accommodate. read more

CineCrown Studios - Video/Film Production Near Me - Sacramento, California

Martin did an amazing job on creating a video of old and new pictures as tribute to my elders (grandparent, parents, aunts, uncle). He was able to capture the vision I had in mind for the tribute video. He understood what I wanted out of the project. He executed the job well. He was accommodating with the changes I needed. Overall, he did a great job. read more

Martin is an amazing photographer/videographer! He made me feel so comfortable during my video interview and creates such beautiful stories. Thank you Martin for your lasting and impactful work! read more

I took my high school graduation photos with Martin and he delivered an experience like no other. Being professional yet very welcoming and relatable, he made the photos very fun to take and an experience in itself. Taking us on a very short day notice, he fit us on his busy schedule and his pictures did not disappoint. Pictures came out incredible and left me speechless, as Martin captured moments so candidly and naturally in a way not many photographers can ever that i've seen. Martin is very knowledgeable with his long experience, directing us to pose in a certain position, to look natural and last but not least to have fun with the pictures. It was honestly such an authentic and notable experience and I will be sure to take more photos with him in the near future! Thanks Martin! read more

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Martin was very insightful for the 30 minute consultation. He is passionate and enthusiastic about his line of work and loves helping you succeed. So whatever your goal is about marketing, branding, videography, etc - Martin and his team will get it done right! read more

Martin Vo was absolutely a delight to work with. He is fun and makes you feel comfortable! His work is incredible! Top quality! We will definitely look into working with him in future projects ! Thank you! read more

Cinecrown is absolutely beautiful and Martin honored every request. The studio was extremely easy to book and pay online. The space was much larger than it appeared online. We filmed two music videos with an eight person camera crew, three backup singers and a full band. If you are looking for a studio of any size or a wedding venue cinecrown is your place. I plan to book cinecrown every month for the remainder of the year to shoot my music video!!! read more

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I just completed a branding/corporate commercial with Martin & team at Cinecrown. The final product was far and away more than I expected, not because I had doubts with Cinecrown but that's just usually my luck with creative projects. All of my friends and family were blown away with how it came it out. From the start, Martin took the time to help me flesh out my vision. I thought I knew what I wanted but it turns out that it was a half-baked idea. He's a pro at helping companies tell their story. This is the first area where he set himself apart. I liked that he also helped me work within my budget and didn't just give me cookie-cutter package pricing. We refined my script a few times and set the shooting date. His crew made it very easy for myself (not an actor) and my one co-actor to shoot our parts and not make fools of ourselves. We shot great footage and Martin took the time to find great "b-roll" stock videos to make sure the end result had a variety of visuals to keep users engaged. I found Martin from a Yelp search and am very glad I went through with the project! read more

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This studio is very beautiful and Martin is very friendly. We did a portraits photoshoot with multiple moods from different backdrops in the studio. It was great! I will definitely book again. read more

Martin was great to work with and his final product is top notch. We had a lot of various types of projects, each with it's own challenges, and Martin worked with us every step to get them to the specs we needed. The final product was awesome and we couldn't be happier. I highly recommend Cinecrown for your multimedia projects. read more

I recently took my graduation photos with Martin and he made my experience absolutely wonderful! With graduation right around the corner, I contacted Martin to schedule a very short notice session and he had no issue fitting me in! Prior to the session, he was very welcoming and made me feel very comfortable immediately. While staying very professional, he made the session very fun and exciting. I couldn't stop laughing at all his jokes! Going in, I didn't have much experience with photography and how to pose. Martin was amazing, teaching me poses on the spot. However, he also encouraged me do my own thing and express my own creativity. The photos came out so beautiful!! After our session, he immediately edited them and I loved them! Thank you for such a wonderful and enjoyable time! The experience was like no other!! I will definitely be going to Martin whenever I'd like to get my photos taken again! Thank You! read more

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Martin stepped in on short notice to pull together a documentary style video for my brother's celebration of life. Martin was beyond exceptional to work with! He quickly learned my brother's life story and understood my ultimate goal for the video. Martin worked tirelessly on this project for me. The final product was truly amazing and captured the extraordinary life of my brother so perfectly! Everyone in attendance absolutely loved the beautiful video. Martin is extremely talented in his craft and produces high quality product for his clients. His creative vision and attention to detail shows in the work he produces. His kindness, professionalism and customer service is impeccable. I look forward to working on future projects with him. read more

I can't express how lucky and grateful I am to have Martin and his crew as my photographer/videographer for our engagement/wedding. Martin was very professional and flexible at the same time. He knows exactly what he's doing and our photos/video turned out beautiful. Pricing was an issue for us at times and Martin always find way to save us $ and still be able to deliver the products we're looking for. read more

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As a bride-to-be, "one in which that specializes in beauty and fashion", I can't help but to only want the best and nothing less when it comes to my wedding. With the sense of style, creative mind and keen eye for beauty...I seek for those who can offer the same quality and talent within their work. So while in search for my photographer and videographer, in which I am completely fixed on trying to find that "one" that can provide me with both services, I stumbled across CineCrown's website page, and had absolutely fell in love with everything that they had to offer!!! And since I'm such a "sucker" for great talent and creativity, after being exposed to such talent, I have to admit, I couldn't and didn't want anything else but for them to do my wedding, So immediately, I scheduled my appointment to meet with them, on that very same day. Their studio is absolutely gorgeous and their work is nothing less than A-List status! And amongst all, I had the pleasure in meeting with the studio's executive, Martin Vo. He was attentive to my needs and understood the outlook I had for my day. There's nothing I love more than good quality in customer service. =) In conclusion, that after the wedding day is over, the photographs and videos are all I'll have left In memory of my special day. And to be able to relive those moments over and over again in high quality and such beauty is absolutely priceless! So for those who are still seeking for the best in photography and videography...I say seek no further, I just know they'll be completely worth it! read more

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After doing some research for the photographers in town I decided to chose Martin at CineCrown. Martin has done such a great job for my maternity pictures. He is very professional and experienced. Before shooting,he communicated with me for the style I want and provide me with opinions. During the photo shoot,he came up with creative ideas to get the best photo effect. What's more amazing is The hard work he puts in editing the pictures. It is absolutely worth the price with this excellent service. When It comes to record your most important moment,Martin will be the best choice. read more

This review is way overdue. Back in 2021 when venues lifted the SIP, I got to searching many things for my daughters quinceanera. Many things were already booked and living in SF area, I could not find a photographer. I searched a little further and found Marvin in Sacramento. When we met, my daughter fell in love with his work. Marvin was very professional and easy to work with, he explained everything in detail and I am so glad we got his experience for my daughters event. Although it was an investment, it was well worth it as all the memories were captured forever in his photos and videos. read more

Martin is an incredible host and his place is amazing for the price. Spacious, full of light, and has the type of equipment needed to do a full video shoot. I would especially recommend using this space for photography or music videos where you don't need the live audio. Martin himself is a friendly and vivacious person with years of visual arts experience - his photo books just added an especially pleasant aura in the space that made it fun to record there. Definitely give this place a try. Thanks Martin! read more

Yesterday was my first time at cine crown studios. Martin was a wonderful host. He was always there when I needed help or had any questions. I definitely would recommend this studio. 5 stars! read more

Martin and his team have done an amazing job for my engagement photo shoot. Their turn around time was quick with all our photos.Martin always got creative eyes while shooting photos. He has good sense of humor and make people feel relaxed. The whole team members are very professional experienced and passionate.We will be using him for all our big events. Definitely highly recommended! read more

Martin and his team (photo & video) at CineCrown recently did our wedding. It was a small gathering due to COVID, but they put on a production. Martin had a thoughtful and well planned approach and the photos turned out great. For starters Martin was happy and eager to assist us with our planning. He has a vast amount of experience to draw from to help make your day special. I know some people who have used CineCrown (Martin) and they highly recommended him and his company. We met with Martin a few times prior to wedding. Keep in mind that most of the planning was around a full blown wedding, but we later drastically modified due to COVID and he was willing to assist us. His team was professional, accommodating, and captured memories that we'll treasure for the rest of our lives. I'll be honest and say right now that CineCrown is not the cheapest. When you're thinking of getting your better half a gift to celebrate a big event you're not going to get them a knock-off or what's cheap. You'll want to get them something that they'll cherish and see the quality. CineCrown definitely delivers quality services and products. read more

The host was great and very accommodating for my video shoot. Place is cozy and has everything for your video and photography needs. Would book again in a heartbeat. read more

Martin was a joy to work with on our testimonial video for an annual fundraiser. From start to finish, the CineCrown team's performance was amazing. Martin was sensitive to our organization's needs and budget, flexible and creative in capturing footage, and diligent in editing to really bring the stories of clients whose lives we've changed to life. He really went above and beyond to help us demonstrate the mission and work of our organization on screen. Martin was kind and patient with the subjects of our video, some of whom had survived serious trauma and that made a HUGE difference in comfortably sharing their stories. We were on a very short timeline and Martin sat with us editing, practically frame by frame, to ensure the authenticity of the message was just right. He poured his heart into the project and the final video was incredibly moving leaving our audience in tears. This was our second project with Martin and the CineCrown team and I certainly plan to place my trust in them again. read more

Best believe, your girl is now married and I have to thank Martin and the Cinecrown team for documenting our special day so beautifully! First off, I did my research and contacted several videography companies for quotes prior to choosing CineCrown. Martin was super professional and set up an initial meeting where we could preview his product and meet with him in person so we could explain our vision. I've seen his photography from several friends who used him for their weddings and I love how light and airy his photos are. His videos are cinematography style and really sets his product apart from regular documentary style videography. My husband was really drawn to the voiceovers in the videos, from interviews with the wedding party and family members, and I loved how he told a story about the couple by piecing together footage and interviews from the wedding day. It also helps that Martin is Vietnamese so he totally understood why my special day was two days in actuality and included several events including an intimate wedding ceremony, traditional Vietnamese tea ceremony, and reception. He was super flexible and made it all work. On the day of, Martin and his team were professional and friendly. They spent the whole day with us and were very enjoyable to be around. We got our videos a couple weeks ago, about 2 months after the wedding, and I can't stop watching it! We got the package that included a love story video which pieces footage from the day of with interviews and music. I absolutely love it! The package also included the maid of honor and best man speeches and the entire wedding ceremony. Martin also had his camera during the ceremony and shot some photos and gave them to me even though it wasn't part of the package! So nice! Overall, I am extremely pleased with CineCrown and I highly recommend them for wedding videography. read more

Can't recommend CineCrown enough! I had the pleasure of renting the studio from Martin today and he was such a help during my production. His experience is invaluable and I made sure to glean as much knowledge from him as possible. I also had the chance to preview some of his work and was blown away. Already looking forward to my next shoot with him! read more

Update on the mini-film: It's absolutely amazing. Their filming skill, editing, and music choice are great. It melts my heart and brings tears when we watch it. Martin was able to accommodate the changes I want too. Definitely recommend getting the mini-film! It is a great complement to the photos. read more

I chose Martin Vo and and his team to capture every moment of my wedding day with their amazing cinematography. David was the head of the three man team for my wedding and showed up early and stayed late to make sure everything was captured just the way he wanted it. He and his team spent a lot of time with me at my motel while I was getting ready. They had some fun ideas of ways to pose and what to do to add to our video to make it perfect. It also allowed my photographer to get some fun poses too. Once at our ceremony they were able to be apart of everything but not really be noticed by myself or my husband while it was going on. Some of the guys we interviewed talked about setting up tripods that seemed to be too noticeable. We booked the short film from them which ended up being almost 10 minutes long which was a bonus. Originally when we met with them and decided to go with them to do our wedding Martin had said it could take up to 3 months before we got our finished product. Less than a month after our wedding our video was ready to be shared and posted to our loved ones as well as the pick up the complimentary the flash drive. If you are looking for a new fun way to capture all your memories from your wedding or party or any other special day/time in your life I would very highly recommend Cinecrown and Martin Vo be the one guy that you call. You will get the friendliest service with some top notch guys as well as a video that won't be matched by anyone around. read more

Martin Vo and his staff of photographers/videographers are the best! My wife and I were married last year in August in Livermore and we could not have asked for a group of guys who were so professional and gets the job done well, very well. We met Martin Vo about six months prior to our wedding and we decided on a package for the photo/video option. I asked my wife what she wanted to spend the high cost portions for our wedding and she chose to spend more on our photos/video. After researching for months, we found Martin Vo and my first impression of him was that he is very passionate about what he does. For Martin, it's not just a job, but his art, passion and life. Martin's energy and passion shows with all of his work. I don't have patients for people who don't deliver as promised and on our wedding day they delivered like pros and beyond my high expectations. My friends/family at the wedding were asking who our photographers/videographers were because they were so great. Martin and his staff were so smooth and most of all fun to be with. I never felt like they were there to do a job, but instead felt like Martin and his staff were friends of ours, laughing and having a great time! Bottom line is if you are planning on getting married and finding a photographer/videographer, choose Martin Vo and his staff. I know weddings are expensive, but think about what you and your wife will have after that day. Nobody will remember what food, dessert, flowers or drinks you had. However, you will always have photos/videos to remember that special day and the best part is we can show our future children/grandchildren what our wedding day was like, especially with the awesome HD video! Don't just take my Yelp for it, go on his website and my wedding video is on there. Martin Vo thank you and your great staff for the memories we will have forever. My wife and I look forward to working with you in the future. read more

Martin Vo and the CineCrown team are true artists. Our experience began last year with the shooting of our engagement photos and video. Martin and David came to our house to capture moments in our home, then Martin traveled with us to Santa Cruz to the place where we first met. The Love Story video they created and engagement pictures beautifully captured our journey together as a couple throughout the years. Then came the big day! Martin and team captured every detail and emotion magnificently. We were able to share our Love Story video as well as a Same-Day Edit Video with our loved ones during the reception and it was truly unforgettable! On top of that, Martin was able to post our videos and photos the very next day! (Not sure if he can continue to do this the busier he gets) :-) A lot of people underestimate the importance of finding and investing in the best photographer and videographer for their wedding. But if you think about it, 50 years from now your photos and video will be your only tangible remembrance of your wedding day. I am so glad that we chose Martin and CineCrown to document this very special time in our lives. I will be proud to share these memories with my future children and grandchildren! read more

Martin and his crew went above and beyond our expectations! I can't even describe how pleased we are with our video. It was the best investment we could've made for our wedding. Yes, it's probably pricier than you'd budget for but after seeing the final product, it was worth it! You truly get what you pay for and his work is the BEST! When my husband and I were planning for our wedding, we were startled by how much it costs to even have a wedding! I mean, the amount of money you spend for just one day sounds crazy right? Well, we had to ask ourselves, what was most important to us about our wedding? We wanted preserve the memories and have something that would last a lifetime. You truly can't put a price on the memories a video is able to capture. And not all videos are created equally. Cinecrown's work is something you want to share with the whole world. It's quite magical to see how they were able to capture our wedding. Thanks Martin for everything! read more

I remember finding out about Cinecrown at my first bridal show at Cal Expo in January 2013. I didn't decide right away to book any videographer since there were so many to research in the area, and I didn't think I could afford the price for Martin's services. Fast forward about six months later, and I still haven't made a decision. While looking for videography services for my wedding, I was looking for someone who was passionate, who crafted with artistry, and delivered quality. The only videos that really captured what I was looking for was still Cinecrown, and I realized that his work was worth the investment. I'm glad my husband agreed with me and I crossed my fingers that it wasn't too late to book him for our day. Luckily he was available! If we had waited too long to decide, it would have been possible he would have been already booked and I would have regretted being so indecisive. Upon meeting Martin, we were so happy he was onboard with our unique vision for the wedding. He is truly passionate about his work as an artist and I appreciated his help to bring our ideas together into a solid theme. He has gone above and beyond for us to capture all the events, emotions, and people that made our wedding day ours. His staff was also very nice and they did a great job handling all the wonderful chaos of our wedding day. If you are looking for something more than just a videographer, Cinecrown has the cinematography skills to give you a film! read more

Every bride wants only the best of the best for their wedding. I was once that bride, and in such a special day, i had the most amazing photographer ever to help capture our most special moments. I had the the pleasure to work with Martin Vo and his staff at CineCrown Photography and I couldn't have had a better experience. From the moment of scheduling our appointment to shooting our engagement sessions, Martin and his staff made us feel very comfortable the whole way. We cant thank them enough so for their amazing ability to capture the essence of our wedding day in such an enchanting way. The photos are breathtaking. The wedding is now over, and I can still look back at my photos and recreate the day and preserve the special moments we had. The staff at CineCrown made us feel so comfortable during our engagement sessions and our wedding day. (Yes, we loved the photos so much we did 2 engagement sessions). One of Martin's best qualities is the ability to make the client feel comfortable during the photo sessions which in my opinion played a major role in getting such great pictures, his easy going personality made us feel very comfortable right from the get go and the sessions were lots of fun and an experience to remember on its own. I would highly recommend CineCrown Photography to any bride to be. The images are worth every penny and at the end of the day, it's the photos that capture the most magical moments of such joyous occasion. I cant emphasize enough how important it is to have a great wedding photographer. Im so glad we chose this company. Many people can call themselves a photographer but none with the experience and background like Martin Vo and the staff at CineCrown Photography. My husband and I are very satisfied with the photography from CineCrown and would love all brides to experience such a wonderful time as we did during our wedding day. read more

There is no one better, period. If you are looking for video, Martin Vo at CineCrown is hands down the place to go. The quality of video and the creativity to create wonderful video is what has to set CineCrown above all the rest. They have an ability to capture your day and let you relive it, including the all the emotion that was felt. We are so greatful to have had Martin and his assistant be at our wedding, they took leadership, created a fun and energetic vibe that allowed us to relax and have fun during what we were worried would be a stressful day and in turn made for the creation of what we would considered the greatest video. Their production skills helped us to have the greatest wedding experience and get the greatest shots that we will have for the rest of our lives. These reviews are great, but the video speaks for itself. read more

CineCrown is a professional cinematographer crew. I hired Martin and his team for my wedding, and the results were beyond belief. Martin and his team coached my wife and me how to pose to create a great piece of art for our wedding canvas. Also, they were very accomodating to our needs. Whenever we need to change something or had questions, we always had a quick response. I would recommend anyone or everyone to give CineCrown and opportunity to make a difference in your life. You only have one life, so create beautiful memories and have something to look back on. Thanks, CineCrown! read more

I have had the privilege of working with the Cinecrown team on several projects now. They came to us at the chamber as members.... but having the opportunity to ACTUALLY be a part of their vision (in doing both a music video for us and covering our Golf Tournament) we were able to actually experience their whole GAMMET of creativity. We were first introduced to the business side of their work by reviewing one of their videos they did highlighting the Sacramento Ballet- then we were fortunate enough to have them not only do the business thing with us (by highlighting our golf tournament- which they shot, edited and played for our members who participated all within 8 hours!) but also to participate in the "FUN" side of the business by shooting a music video we created for our board members. This whole team is not only unbelievably visionary, but super easy to work with and they pride themselves on making your vision come to life and then some! They work their tails off and create an unbelievable sense of confidence poise and professionalism. I know for brides who may want to use them for their wedding, that is the MOST important day of your life- so rest assured they will make it easy, painless and BEAUTIFUL! For businesses who may want to use them...my advice... DO! They have this incredible ability to showcase your business in a way that will make it look event better than it probably already is! Also, a word of advice... be prepared to HAVE A TON OF FUN with their team, they will make you laugh and enjoy what you are doing! read more

Over two years ago, I hosted the biggest party of my life... MY WEDDING!!! Years and months of planning for just ONE day. And spending thousands of dollars for just ONE day. Is worth it you might ask? Yes!! Every penny. I can't speak for others but I'm only planning to do this once so my goal was to get the BEST out of my money. I came to Martin to book only the videography/cinematography service but upon meeting him and seeing his work, he sold me on the photography portion too. Yes, the price is higher than other vendors but you know the saying "you get what you pay for." It was definitely a splurge for me but I have no regrets. Martin and his team did an EXTRAORDINARY job on both my photos and video. During that time, I was a bit of a bridezilla, very demanding and expected a lot. Martin kept his cool and was very accommodating, understanding, and most importantly professional. On the day of, Martin and his team knew their roles and executed their job with the utmost manner. With so many things running through my head, it was a huge relief knowing that my DAY will be captured by such an awesome team that knows their job well. My video and photos were completed in a timely manner. The first time I viewed my video, I cried and I'm not even an emotional person. It was just so beautiful and it was like re-living my wedding all over again. The video was creative and artistic, in a way that I have never seen before. It was definitely unique and breathtaking. I can honestly say, I have watch my wedding video countless times. My wedding album was a masterpiece. The quality was immaculate and it was custom for me! I know that first hand because Martin sat there with me till late night to choose out pictures for each page. He then used his gifted talent and created an album with the perfect layout. Each page was different but came together like a puzzle to paint the perfect picture of my special day. It was flawless. Yes, your wedding day will be unforgettable and indented in your memories but with an awesome video and beautiful photos, you can re-live it over and over again. And your kids and grandkids can live it as if they were there. Till this day, I'm still sharing my photos and video! This will be an investment you will not repent. It is worth spending to get the BEST for a once in a lifetime wedding so don't settle for mediocre! You only live once (YOLO)! Martin and the Cinecrown team will not be disappoint you! They will make your vision come alive. read more

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Martin was fantastic to work with. He was very patient and accommodating, but also kept our video shoot on track with time. He was also very flexible with scheduling and time demands, which we truly appreciated. Happy to have used CineCrown and would use again! read more

I can't commend enough the work of Martin Vo to friends and family and anyone looking for an awesome photographer. After having our engagement pictures taken by him we were hooked, his work speaks for itself, but don't just take my word for it, take a look at his website, or better yet, visit his studio and judge for yourself. Martin offers the complete package, not only is his work amazing but he is also one of the most personable people we've had the pleasure to deal with, his help and flexibility during the stressful time that wedding planning can be was invaluable, he would go out of his way to please even the most demanding of brides (don't ask how I know lol), you can tell after each meeting that the guys really cares, Wow! So, if you are looking for a wedding or an event photographer you can not afford not meeting with Martin personally at his studio, take a look at the rest of his work and talk to the guy before committing to a different photographer, you will be glad you did. We have since our last session booked him for even more sessions of photography and a video session, we can't wait. Martin manages to make everyone involved in the pictures feel at ease and comfortable, the sessions were super fun, an event to remember of their own. Thank you Martin! _N&DK read more

Worth EVERY PENNY. Words cannot express how amazing Martin and his team are in the wedding business. This was by far the best investment my wife and I made for our wedding. At first when my wife and I were budgetting for our wedding it was scary to see that a good portion of the budget was going towards the film, but his services are not limited to just the filmography and photography. Over the span of several months he was very professional, realistic, and communicative. He helped organize a good chunk of the wedding. I may not have much to say, but believe me Martin and his team will go beyond your expectations. For any special occasion especially weddings, the celebration can be hectic, stressful, intimidating, exciting, and joyful! With all these different emotions running wild, the day just flies by. He captures all the emotions beautifully, so now I can always go back and re-live all the excitement. This is something that you are going to have for the rest of your life, this is an occasion that should be celebrated for the rest of your life... DO NOT BE CHEAP WITH IT! I've got a lot of family and friends that are soon to be married as well, and they will ALL be booking with CineCrown. read more

We hired Martin to shoot our wedding in July! This man and his staff were extremely professional, fun and talented bunch! He surprised us with an incredibly well edited short video of the wedding day during our reception! Our guests as well as my husband and I were astounded at the quality of the film and how well edited It was in such a short period of time. He also Recently sent me a "music video" of our wedding and it is so cool and beautiful! Love this man and his work! Highly recommend him! read more