My 78 y.o. mother who lives with me for over 12 years in the same gated community/townhome and I just lost 3 beautiful pets in the past year from very old age and started searching for a dog to rescue. We happened upon Sherlock with Big Bones, and were eagerly awaiting to meet this sweet boy. I filled out the lengthy application and was waiting and waiting for any response. Nothing. I wanted to call them, but they don't have a number listed. So more than a week later I went back to the original post on FB about Sherlock and asked if he's possibly already been adopted. The volunteer was nice, she kept me informed and said not yet. I asked why I haven't heard back yet, she said to check junk mail folder. Of course there it was, sitting in junk mail for over 8 days. I answered his question regarding our home ownership explaining that I am the home owner, but my home is in a Trust and will remain that way. Without any other questions we were turned down and told that we are not a good fit for Sherlock, but no explanation as to why. He said we can try to apply for a different dog. WHAT? No thank you! How rude! I am so deeply crushed. I just wanted to meet him. I will never use this agency. Max Fund and plenty of others, are far more reasonable and easier to communicate with and meet the animals in need. Adopters be warned. read more

5 weeks ago we adopted Kourtney whom we've renamed Piper. The adoption process to get approved was very thorough. That's a good thing when it comes to dealing with new homes for rescue pups. We are totally and completely in love with Piper. She is the perfect fit for our family. She and our other dog, Sophie, play together so well. They often sleep cuddled up together. Thank you Big Bones for giving us the opportunity to adopt the sweetest dog ever! BTW, our son adopted from Big Bones the week before we got Piper. He too had a very good experience and got a great little boy who is a perfect fit with his other dog. read more

At 5 AM they tell us we are approved to adopt, and someone will call to set up appointment. Then at noon the same day we get an email stating the dog "is no longer available" We never got a chance to even see the dog! They encourage us to re apply for another dog. If we are not going to get the first dog, then we should we let them break our hearts again? These folks need to grasp an understanding of two words - honesty and integrity. It's a shame I have to give these unconscionable cheaters even 1 star. read more

Very kind employees and animal lovers. Yet anyway. And they work towardsa great cause.

Rejected adoption..stated because saw dog house in review..hasn't been used in yrs. After days of video of inside and outside of house... Younger friend got approved same day, no video required. Same dog. 2 yr old Conclusion: AGE DISCRIMINATION Like older people need only sick older dogs and have no family to adopt if needed? read more

I had a very negative experience with this rescue. The process lacked professionalism, accountability, and compassion, which is troubling for an organization claiming to advocate for animals. read more

We have adopted two dogs there. Both were handled so well. Couldn't have gone better dogs were brought to us in small groups so we could spend time with them. As the groups were made smaller by elimination we could pick out the one that fit read more

Drove several hours through to the rescue after being approved only to find out that my dog will need multiple knee surgeries and two hip replacements. She also have an infection on her tail from unaddressed happy tail in the cages. She was also down below 39 lbs after previously showing 61 on her page. I know this is a volunteer place but i don't think they are getting it done. The emaciated starving dog that i picked up with the multiple required surgeries that were not disclosed is really sad. I took the dog home because any animal deserves better than what is going on up on Windsor but i still don't know how I'm going to afford the 3+ surgeries this dog needs. Beyond disappointed with this rescue. read more

Horrible. We picked up our dogs from the vet the same day they were spayed. The vet tech came out and told us Tater had to have 10 teeth removed (we paid for cleaning), they didn't charge us for the extraction and then she told us that she noticed Tater's hip joint was dislocated when she went to put her leg down during the spay. She showed me the X rays and said she would need surgery. She stated that the rescue should pay for it and they would be speaking to Bigbones and the rescue should be contacting us. We waited a few days and heard nothing, so I sent an email. Waited a few days with no reply. Finally got a reply saying the vet should pay for the surgery. I called the vet and spoke to the tech and she got very defensive. My husband sent an email with no reply, I sent another email with no reply. At this point, I feel like these people could care less. This was an issue that happened before the adoption was completed. We spent a lot of money at this point adopting these dogs. An offer to split the cost would have been nice. All they seem to care about is taking the money. We only wanted one dog and ended up taking two because they seemed like a bonded pair. They are in a great home now and well taken care of, but Big Bones is horrible. Communication and not ignoring people goes a long way. The foster was awesome and great at communicating. If I could do it all over again, I would NEVER have chosen this rescue. read more

It's really sad when one has to leave a bad review. I would suggest be very careful when adopting from here. I am actually glad I got my dog out of this ladies foster care. Spon arrival dogsxwere very dirty and one actually peed blood on the floor and the foster parent just said "yes obe if them has a urinary infection I just give them all a vitamin kinda like the human females take for urinary infection " wrong answer!!! Why are you not treating the dog! We paid for 750 dollars and took the puppy and ran. So sad and as it turns out my little one has a double ear infection, at least it wasn't ear mites. She was so dirty her paws were yellow probably from stepping in urine. I think Big bones should pay for their first pet visit. What is 700 dollars going to, because it's not caring for these rescues!!! ​ read more

I found a pup on their page that I was interested in. Took a couple days to be approved, no problem. After talking to the foster mom, found out the info on the site about her was incorrect and she was having a health issue, so not available. Was recommended another dog that didn't fit what I wanted. Over the next few days I was contacted to say if I were interested in anyone else to let them know. I inquired about 2 dogs living with the same foster. One had a lump removed on its head that wasn't biopsied and the other seemed healthy. I told her I would get back to her setting up a time to meet them bc of my weird work schedule. It's been 1 week since I was approved and 1 day since I told the foster I would set up a time to meet them. They are over an hour away from me. As I'm getting home from work this evening I am met with an insanely rude message that I didn't respond to anyone fast enough and meet the dogs quickly enough so they are declining my application. Extremely rude service. False info about the dogs. If you aren't willing to work with the adopters to make sure it's a good fit, then who are you helping? Sometimes things take a little time, I don't like the attitude I was met with or the pressure to pick a dog that I wouldn't be home immediately for or that wasn't the best fit for me. Red flags all over for this rescue. I think the negative reviews here are accurate. Plenty of better places to rescue from that care if the dog is going to the correct home and will work with you. This is coming from someone who has worked with dogs for 15 years, grooming, volunteering, caring for and now in a program to do animal assisted therapy. I don't recommend this rescue. read more

My partner and I were set on adopting a Pomeranian or similar/mixed. We looked at all the rescues across Denver and northern Colorado and we found our baby girl at Big Bones. Our experience was very pleasant and quick. I made our application on their website and was approved right away. We found a Pomeranian puppy were contacted about a her almost immediately from her foster mom. The foster mom, Stef, has been amazing to work with. We were able to meet her right away with our 2 other dogs and we all fell in love with her immediately. We were able to adopt her that day and she's been a loved member of our family ever since! She is a Pomeranian mixed with chihuahua and Maltese and 100% adorable and good girl. read more

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Another rescue with elitist standards and adopting out to the richest person. Terrible at communication, they try to farm for applicants then adopt away the dog you were interested and push other pets on you. If you can't pick up your phones and be honest with potential adopters, then you don't deserve my business. I was the first applicant for a dog and they gathered all my personal info only to adopt the dog to some one else. read more

We had,a wonderful experience with Big Bones. The people were so helpful. I explained what I was looking for and they found us the perfect companion. We couldn't be more pleased with how easy they made the process. read more

Big Bones Canine Rescue - Our new pup, Teddy. - Pet Adoption Near Me

I applied for one of their rescue pups living at one of their foster mom's homes. Big Bones responded to me the same day I submitted my application. The process was thorough and very streamlined, I was able to pick up my new baby, Sven within 4 days of applying. Laurie, the foster mom is who I communicated and worked with, she was wonderful, responsive and caring. I'm soooooo happy. Sven is adorable, loving and healthy. Enjoying his forever home. Xo read more

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My adoptee was living in a shed after her spay. I wasn't told she had been spayed just 3 days before. She had a mouthful of periodontal disease, their vet didn't treat it, yet put her under anesthesia. Guess rescue they wouldn't pay for treating her. Sad and unethical on the vet and rescue. read more

Big Bones materially misrepresented the temperament of a Dogo Argentino, and failed to disclose a serious documented aggression issue. This resulted in a nasty bite and the subsequent return of the dog. Be very cautious when dealing with this organization. This is in NO WAY intended as a criticism of the wonderful volunteer foster folks at Big Bones, whose exceptional kindness and empathy are absolutely awesome! UPDATE: I was surprised and saddened to see that Big Bones has immediately relisted the Dogo in question for adoption using, in my opinion, an overly-optimistic description that omits two critical points of information. First, Big Bones fails to cite the official City of San Bernardino, CA Animal Control evaluation dated 07/17/24, which states, "Due to behavior decline and observing dog has food aggression with kennel mates, placing on deadline." Second, Big Bones fails to mention the unprovoked bite I received- serious enough to require a tetanus shot and antibiotics. I cannot condone these omissions, and again urge potential adopters to use caution when dealing with this organization. read more

I would not recommend anyone to use this organization. They expect you to provide private photos of the inside of your home and if you do not they will reject your application. We don't mind providing a photo of our fence but the house is much too private as they already have our address. We have rescued numerous dogs and other horses and birds since 1986 and recently had our 14 year dog that we adopted 11.5 years ago pass due to cancer. We are trying to adopt another dog so our remaining adopted dog can have a new friend as he is obviously depressed over the loss of his life long partner. We are both retired now and can devote all of our time to taking care of a new dog. Our dogs have always had a great life as we live on 3 acres and also have a horse and chickens that our dogs have loved to interact with over the years. We have spent whatever dollars were needed over the years for surgeries and medications on our animals. We take our dogs everywhere we go and even purchased an RV years ago so they can always be with us on vacations. But this organization that supposedly cares about finding a good home for canines has rejected our application either because we won't provide photos of our home or maybe it's actually due to our age, we are not sure which. read more

I am so sad to write a bad review for them. We had a home check where the volunteer said, "this all looks good, I'll send it over for approval." We set up a meet and fell crazy in love with a sweet dog. As we were about to take him home, they pulled him out of our hands and said, "your home check was denied, due to too much kid clutter." My kids were sobbing as was I, since this was not what they told me before we went out there. I called the home checker back, and she was very unapologetic about the fact that she had lied to me before we met our dog. We asked if we could clean up and call back, and she said yes. It took us all of about 8 minutes to pick up the clutter (which we were already planning on doing for a new dog). They never asked us. We called back and she was very condescending, said "well if it had looked like this before, I would have approved you." Then they denied us again out of pure meanness. All of my pleas and correspondence since then have been either ignored or beyond rude and condescending. I do not recommend working with these people at all, as they care more about their egos than the dogs. Some background about me - long time dog owner. Our Australian shepherd had just died of old age. We had plenty of puppy and dog experience, owned a 3600 sq ft house, had a large fenced in back yard. I can understand being concerned about clutter, but they absolutely were beyond rude and uncaring. They did not check references and were completely unwilling to let me make changes or work with me. I was so grateful to find another rescue to work with. We now have the sweetest 2 year old border collie rescue and she fits into our lives perfectly. I'm attaching some pictures of my home that they denied. read more

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Please go somewhere else. I received a text to meet a dog the next day as today they were being neutered. Then, a few hours later I receive an email saying he is no longer available is adopted by another family. Bait and switch! Collected a bunch of personal information and had a very very intrusive application process. Really wouldn't give them 1 star. The communication is very poor and you may feel led on. The application process is ridiculous and very intrusive and collects personal information and you have no idea who has access to it or how it is being used. read more

We communicated with Big Bones about coming to their Windsor facility to see some dogs. They were quick to respond and offer options. We drove to Windsor 2 weeks ago and met with Carol, a volunteer there. She helped us pick a good temperament match for our dog, and was very informative and helpful. They are a volunteer-staffed organization and we were very happy with our experience and thrilled with our newly adopted dog. read more

Ultimately the pup I was interested in (Nico) was adopted by someone else before I could complete the process, but after seeing all the bad reviews I just wanted to say my experience with Big Bones was a positive one. The communication was always very fast and friendly. They even followed up. The questions they ask are pretty standard from what I've seen and I think they really are trying to find the best home for the dogs in their care. read more

We have 2 pure bread Great Pyrs, and a pure border collie. I was trying to assist in getting my mother a Corgi, reached out to Big Bones, completed the LONG application, due to the length, did not mention we utilize 2 verinarians, and was called a liar for not disclosing this. I was attempting to find a corgi for my elderly mother, whom has had 3 corgis, all rescues, and did not disclose this in the application. I have culpability, and accept this, but the form was very long, I evidently entered the wrong phone number for the vet clinic, and was called a liar. I sent a heartfelt email to BRANDON explaining the entire situation, sent pictures of our beautiful pyrs, and explained my situation. I WAS CALLED A LIAR, and dismissed from the adoption process. Fair enough, I don't want a dog from this place. I would love to share the email string with anyone interested. STAY AWAY! ​​ read more

Very Disappointing! I contacted Kristie as I was trying to save a Mastiff from Euthanization. The Owner hated the Dog and lied to people that the Dog was vicious and it wasn't. I contacted Kristie to try to help me find a home for the Dog and Kristie was short on the phone, acted uninterested. I was pretty surprised. Kristie didn't seem to care. Disappointing! read more

I couldn't be more pleased with my experience with big bones rescue! The effort that these volunteers put in is incredible. I just adopted a dog from Big Bones and the process was great! Carol, the foster mom, was amazing. Her communication was great from start to finish and her care for her fosters is so apparent. It obvious that this rescue is really putting the dog's success and well being first. A big thank you for what this rescue is doing! read more

I've been a volunteer with big bones for a few years and I've fostered over 20 dogs for them. I've also adopted a dog from them, and the entire organization is amazing and dialed in. Everything is done by volunteers, who have their own families, dogs, jobs, etc. There are no employees who are paid, just a bunch of people volunteering because they want to. Once one is an approved volunteer or foster home, it's up to the volunteer when they are able to help. Big Bones Canine Rescue takes in all types of dogs from high kill shelters across the country., as well as owner surrenders. Old, young, blind, deaf, missing limbs, etc. They do everything for the dogs to prepare them for adoption, and never give up on them. I posted some pics of some of the dogs I've fostered who have found forever homes! read more

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You guys do great work, and I want to say that first. My brother adopted Eris from your rescue and she is the best thing that happened to him. On the other hand, a good friend of mine went through the process to be approved for a puppy at your rescue. You did a home visit and out of no where, you denied her for a puppy, but approved her for an adult dog. The main reason you denied her a puppy is because she has a 8-5 job. Doesn't everyone? I remember the dumb friends league doing the exact same thing to me... even though I was a teacher and could run home at lunch. Doesn't most of America work during the day? I appreciate the work and the dedication the rescue does - but this seems a little ridiculous, and in my opinion turns good candidates for adoption.... into people who buy puppies from breeders: instead of rescuing. This is what exactly happened to me. My heart, my home, and my schedule were all great to rescue a puppy, but then I got turned down from a shelter(for a puppy anyway) and I bought a black lab puppy from a breeder. Guess what? That puppy is an amazing 10.5 year old black lab now and she survived my 9 hour work day. I'm just saying, this rule/policy needs to be re-examined. You're turning potential rescue owners away and dogs are missing out on AMAZING homes. read more

Big Bones Canine Rescue - Pet Adoption Near Me

Wanted to adopt an elder dog who was listed as 10+ years that actually was more like 13 or more years. asking a ridiculous rehome fee. i would have loved for her to come live the remainder of her years with me. I inquired about. Instead of talking to me and discussing her and options for her they were not willing to talk about her rehome fee. The money seemed more important then her being in her forever home however long that may have been sinve she was so old. I was not impressed with the response and how they handled the situation. read more

I am not a person who writes many reviews. However, my experience with this organization left me in a situation I strongly need to share with anyone who is interested in working with this nonprofit. My family and I applied for a dog available for adoption. According to her profile, she was good with kids and other dogs. Her name is Ginger which fit in perfectly in our family of redheads! We completed the application, provided photos of the inside of our home, videos of our fenced in yard and gate closures. We were approved right away. We were notified immediately by the foster mom. Having never done this before I was unsure of how the process worked. Initially I was told we would set up a meet and greet, and that it would be best to do it in a public place with the dog that we already have. We agreed to meet over the weekend, but because the weather was awful on Saturday it was ageed that we would meet on Sunday. By late Sunday afternoon, I had not heard from the foster mom so I sent a text. I wasn't pushy. We were just anxious to meet who we hoped would be a new member of our family. The foster mom responded that she was dealing with a personal issue and would not be able to meet us until Monday evening. She then told me that would work best because the dog we were interested in had another meet and greet on Monday. Their website boasts that it's not first come first serve but whichever home is the best fit for the dog. I agree 100%. On Monday the foster mom text me that they would be to our house by 5:30 not the public park as originally agreed. Still excited, we were prepared to meet a possible new member of our family when at 6 PM we received a text that Ginger was taken off of the availability list without having had the opportunity to meet her. We were also told Lori would be reaching out to us to find a good fit for our family. We were heartbroken. We shared this with the foster mom via text and received no response. A week has passed, and we still have not heard from big bones. In retrospect, I'm concerned with sharing so much of my personal information and never knowing who I communicated with via text or meeting anyone from the organization. How could big bones determine the best fit for Ginger when they had never met us or allowed us to meet her? Even more concerning now is the lack of response or follow up from the organization. I understand they are volunteers. I appreciate their effort with helping surrendered pets find good homes. Unfortunately, my experience with them can only be described as heartbreaking and concerning that I was required to provide so much personal information, trust that that information is being used correctly, but now concerned that it may not be given the lack of response from Big Bones. read more

Big Bones Canine Rescue - Pet Adoption Near Me

We have adopted 4 dogs from Big Bones. We volunteer here all the time. The volunteers are so kind and there is such a wide variety of dogs. They also rescue dogs with special needs which is amazing. I also love how it is 100% volunteer based. Please donate to this organization they desperately need financial support! So many vet bills to pay! Their adoption fees are super low and dogs come with microchips, vaccines, spay and neuter and more! Here are some pictures of our dogs from BBCR. read more

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I am sad to leave a negative review for a dog rescue. However, I think my experience needs to be shared. I adopted a five year old bichon from Big Bones. No health issues were disclosed. I took him to my vet to get checked out and learned he had serious and urgent dental issues. When I initially reached out to the contact with Big Bones about this concern, the response was to question me and my vet as not understanding rescues. They simply said I could return my dog. No offer of financial assistance was made and I knew i was looking at over $1,000 minimum and likely more if teeth needed to be removed. I followed up by email with my frustration and they did work with another vet to have them honor rescue pricing, so I did appreciate that. However, my dog had to have 26 extractions and has only two teeth left. I let the rescue know about this and indicated that I planned to provide a negative review, and received an email in response that not only told me the assistance they did provide was a "mistake" but personally attacked me. Specifically, and in part, the person who may be the owner said: "I hope you mature into a person who is understanding and not so self righteous, I hope you would learn that this review you plan to write to berate a rescue who does more good in this world than you will ever possibly be able to fathom sits in your conscience and I hope you grow to have a change of heart about rescues and their efforts, as you become a more compassionate and understanding individual. It takes maturity and effort to become understanding of others, and you're obviously not there yet. I wish you the best of luck with your growth as a human, and I hope what I say to you sits in your conscience and takes root to create change within you." Ultimately, I would not recommend this rescue. I am shocked to be treated so unprofessionally after having a truly negative experience with serious health issues throughout which they never expressed any concern for my dog. read more

I filled out their application months and months ago. I had indicated interest in adopting several of their available dogs. I finally got a response as to why I was never contacted to adopt one of their dogs. They stated they found a "record" of me rehoming pets and I failed to indicate this on my application. I gave my mother my dog over twenty years ago. There is no "record" of this. They refuse to allow me to adopt one of their dogs because of this supposed record! This is only one of the many issues I have with this rescue. They are extremely poor communicators, ignore texts, make false allegations. STAY AWAY - they are dishonest and not trustworthy. If I could give no stars I would! read more

Absolutely terrible experience. I am a long term foser parent and have rescued two pitbulls myself through other rescues with exceptional experiences. Big Bones was not this way. I submitted an interest application for a pup and had ALREADY been approved and had a home check. I received a text from Payton with a templated text regarding that I had to go here between x-x time frame, bring all of my pets and family and etc if I wanted to meet a dog I applied for. I responded thanks so much for reaching out; i do have some questions. (I was going to ask if there was an exception as my two rescues would not do well in a situation like that as one of them was extremely abused and the other is to over stimulated in public. I received a response bac stating "Are you going to ask your questions". I replied "Is this how you normally communicate with clients interested in supporting your non-profit and she said "Yes". What a terrible person to have representing your company with zero cares in the world how she is treating people. I am absolutely SHOCKED they have so many positive reviews and feedback. I will never rescue with Big Bones. STEER CLEAR - YOU WILL BE TREATED POORLY AND A TERRIBLY RAN ORGANIZATION. read more

This canine rescue is run by complete invalids. I got denied because I leave my German Short Haired Pointer outside for 1.5 hours at most and a few days a week. My dog has access to water. We have a privacy fence. Also, I live in a small town, and it only takes 7 minutes to get across town. It's obvious these people know nothing about dogs. A GSP is a high-energy dog that usually lives outside, especially if they are used for hunting. GSPs are bird dogs. Unlike most big dog owners, my husband or I run my dog 3 miles every day so that she gets the correct exercise. I am a fanominal dog owner! The dog I was looking to ADOPT was a Maltipo. This is a small dog. I was not even given the chance. I would not leave a small indoor dog outside as that would not be appropriate. It's frustrating because I was trying to do a good thing and ADOPT a dog rather than BUY one from a breeder. I guess that's what I will have to do. These people are doing the opposite of good for these rescue dogs. Pathetic! read more

Wonderful rescue! They save so many dogs every year and is fantastic place to donate your time and money. I loved my rescue experience!! Beat dog ever! read more

I am a veteran foster parent and adopter with Big Bones. I am seeing a lot of negative feedback, so I wanted to add my positive feedback from my experience over the last 4 yrs with them. Having been fostering for a few organizations over the last 11 yrs now, and adopting a few dogs over this time, I have learned a lot about the rescue business and fostering, as well as dogs in general. We foster every age, size, breed, and some even disabled. They help all size dogs, all breeds, all ages, and even the disabled and medical cases. They not only help puppy mill dogs, breeder surrenders, high kill shelter dogs but OWNER SURRENDERS, too. Due to the majority of their foster base having dogs, they tend to only be able to help dog friendly dogs. All rescues are run differently and have different standards, rules, etc. NO RESCUE IS PERFECT. It is a very tough business. I have helped many adopters find their perfect fit dogs and are a wonderful match. If the dog doesn't fit the home, and it doesn't have behavior issues, Big Bones will take it back to find the right family. If they do have behavioral issues after going to their forever home, Big Bones expects the adopter to work with a trainer to help get the dog through it. They hope their adopters are willing to put their all into making it work. They do not have background on most of their dogs, so it's a gamble for any rescue dog placement. They also cannot take every dog back, due to major issues and influx of homeless and unwanted dogs in this day and age (so many dogs are dying). It is the worst we have ever seen. Some might complain about their adoption fees being high, but they take in a lot of medical cases that are unexpected, and take care of them upon arrival. They need funds to keep helping more dogs. Some of their fees are not for everyone, but they are cheaper than breeder fees (which people still spend and add to our overpopulation dog problems) and their dogs are vetted and fixed before going home. For the people not looking to spend much on a dog, there are lots of cheaper options to adopt one (local shelters especially). These people also need to consider the costs of regular vetting if they get a dog. It is not cheap. read more

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This rescue and their wonderful volunteers matched us with the perfect rescue Boxer. I've tried to work with rescues in the past that were very unreasonable, but Big Bones is grea read more

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I wouldn't be surprised if the owner made a comment to this review and make some BS comment about how other people are wrong. She is most possibly the most unprofessional disrespectful "business" owner. She will also skim through any type of social media to see if anyone has something negative to say about her "business" and do whatever she can to make herself look good. They'll do anything to get any dog back to their "business" to turn more of a profit. Will also make you sign a contract saying you will return the dog to them with no refund within a certain time so they can just flip the dog again. As well as lie about a dog to make that profit. read more

I went thru the application process was approved. I had an interest in a dog they had on their website. There was some information provided on there website.. I fell in love with him without even meeting him. The foster refused to adopt out the dog, claimed he needed crate training. Very unprofessional to list a dog for adoption, have a qualified family and still refuse to adopt. The foster was very rude, I withdrew my application and would not recommend them, they are not very honest, and they give to much control to the volunteer fosters. read more

I saw my guy in a picture and knew that he needed to be a part of my family. I filled out the application and got to see him the next day! The foster he was with was amazing and always kept me informed and alway responded in a timely manner. They even met me half way when I went to pick him up. Me being in Estes Park and them in the Springs is a bit of a drive. I thought the application process was a little too much to adopt a dog but it was worth it. read more

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