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Best class I ever took. I took a class for CASP+ with Joseph…read moreand passed my exam. Loved how he teaches he has a way to explain that anyone can understand. Simply great !!!!!!!!!!!! The class rooms setting is great and the staff is also very very friendly and helpful.

I traveled from New York to Virginia to attend SecureNinja's week-long "Python Immersion" class. I…read morewas pretty excited about it. It had been a while since I'd had the opportunity to learn something new in a classroom setting. My excitement faded quickly. I guess I should have worried when I walked through the unlocked back door of the office building and was shown into a classroom without anyone asking my name or confirming my enrollment. I should have worried when there was only one other student in the class. I should have worried when SecureNinja's Director of Customer Success had a Colorado phone number. I should have worried when the class instructor, Joe McCray, who has the title of Secure Ninja's Chief Technology Officer, told me that he was staying in the same hotel as me. Then the class actually started, and by the end of the first day I had realized how bad this was going to be. The thing you need to know here is that you will not get immersed in Python in this class. Rather, you'll occasionally get splashed with Python from Joe's shallow pool of knowledge. This will mostly take the form of running other people's scripts to automate offensive and defensive security tasks. Joe didn't write most of the scripts, and sometimes doesn't really know what's in them. In my class, there was a lot of Googling to find answers to questions we asked. Class ended around four every day. In the meantime, Joe expected us to learn Python the way HE learned it - from YouTube. He assigned it for homework - ten YouTube videos a night. Not Joe's videos, mind you. Just a series of Python tutorials posted five years ago by some young coder named Bucky. There were no coursebooks. No hand-outs. No slide decks. There was just Joe, plowing through a bunch of text he'd put on PasteBin five years ago. Much of the text - the entire lesson on Regex, the entire lesson on Python classes - was pulled verbatim from other people's lessons or articles, with a few words changed here or there. I could take the text and plug it into Google to find the original source material. When asked about it, he said, yes, he'd "ported" text from other lessons, but you know, it's all Creative Commons so it's OK. Joe's stuff is old. He teaches Python 2, despite the fact that it's going to be deprecated in less than a year. Most of class material hasn't changed much in the last five years. All you have to do is look at his PasteBin to see how he's just been copying from class to class for years. The software you use in the class is old. We used a copy of Olly Debug that was from 2004. Sometimes links in the PasteBin pointed to sites that no longer resolved. On the second day of class, Joe laid out his philosophy on programming for us. Don't be a programmer. Don't get too involved in the syntax of any one language. All the interpreted languages are pretty much the same, anyway. Don't code more than an hour a day. Don't reinvent the wheel. Pretty much everything you're looking for has been done by someone else and you can find it via Google. Joe chats a lot. He likes to tell stories, especially about himself. He's personable. I can see why he manages to get speaking gigs at conference. He can work a room. He also does his personal business, like calling his bank to deal with fraudulent credit card charges, during class time. After a lot of emails back and forth between myself, my boss, and the SecureNinja Director of Customer Success, the class started to become less structured. This was both good and bad. Good because Joe was actually talking about stuff he knew, bad because it wasn't about Python. He started pulling material from his other PasteBin "classes." One morning was all about Web Application security testing. Basic SQLi & XSS stuff I learned ten years ago when I did my GSEC. We used SQLmap which is *written* in Python - does that count? On Friday Joe decided we were going to develop our own tools with Python. This was great except he had nothing prepared. So the day was just us trying to write our own scripts while Joe Googled stuff and read tutorials, trying to help but mostly working on his own on his laptop. At 1:45 pm he announced that class was over, because he had to get to the airport and fly to his next conference speaking gig. By the way, if you are considering paying SecureNinja $3,000 for one of Joe's classes, first be aware that all of his lessons are publicly available on PasteBin. Also, that he sells his classes online at his other organization, InfosecAddicts, for considerably less money. Not to mention the fact that he has recorded a bunch of his live classes and thrown them up on YouTube. But your $3,000 will get you lunch every day, and fancy smart whiteboards. So that's what SecureNinja is good for. Meanwhile, if you want to learn to write Python scripts, maybe do it the way Joe did? Watch YouTube.

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