It's gorgeous! I was only a guest but everything seemed to run smoothly. Staff was present but not annoying. Bartenders were attentive! Very clean! read more

A really cool venue for a gathering or wedding. Room for a lot of people. We started downstairs with a couple bars and tables, chairs, couches and tons of standing space for a great cocktail hour. Then we headed upstairs for a meal and dancing. Do open and really nice. There is also a patio that you can go out and look at the city. Two bars upstairs too. Decorated nicely, too simple. A great place for a wedding. read more

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What a gorgeous venue. We attended a wedding in August and this space is perfect. This wedding housed about 250 people but could hold more. The ceremony was upstairs and was simply beautiful. After the wedding we headed downstairs where they had a cocktail hour while they set up tables and chairs upstairs. The turn around time from their banquet team was so quick they really are impressive. Overall the venue is gorgeous and a couple of guests said this was the 3rd time or more they've been to this specific venue for a wedding. So if you're getting married in Indy this is the spot. read more

Great venue! Lots of parking, great view of our beautiful city! Easy to get to. Beautiful building with two outdoor patios inside has plenty of room for dancing and partying. Great vibe. I can't wait for another event here. read more

Biltwell Event Center - Great view of our beautiful city!! - Venues & Event Spaces Near Me - Indianapolis, Indiana

I've been to many of weddings and events here including Yelp's Big Fat Fake Wedding and Indy VegFest. Each time, the space is perfect and I love how there is so much parking. There's a small parking lot in front and a big parking lot in the back, but they also let you park on the lawn across from the venue if needed. Wherever you park, you'll be close to the venue. Yay! You can rent out different spaces within the Biltwell: the entire thing, the big, northern portion, or the smaller southern portion, depending on your party size. I went to a wedding on the smaller half and the bride got married upstairs, had the party downstairs, and then had the big back patio open for guests. The patio was wonderful and had twinkle lights and was huge. It was great to be able to get some fresh air and be able to pause from dancing to have some conversation with friends. This venue is close to the downtown and is just a few minutes west on the highway. The surrounding area is industrial and still developing, but most people will remain at the venue anyways or be able to catch a cheap Uber to continue festivities downtown. read more

Started inquiring about the space through the website. Emailed requested some information and also to verify that the staff we'd be working with were queer friendly. Did not receive a response back despite received an email from Anthony and Corbin about booking the space, no questions that were asked in the email was answered. If they cannot even respond to an email to coordinate a viewing, answering questions, or communicate between each other; it doesn't make me feel that that are capable of organizing the wedding I am wanting. read more

I was here for a work event that was held on the lower level. The space is nice, and we liked that it was lit with strings of patio lights, but something strange was going on with the power as all the lights started flickering for awhile and they had to do something to correct this, but they were eventually able to get it to stop. The view from the patio is of an industrial area, so that's one downside...I don't know if they've considered planting some trees or maybe putting in some trellises with greenery or something like that so there would be a nicer view than dirt, machinery and the highway. The food, which was assorted appetizers, was good, but one odd thing was that they had cheese including a cheese torte with pesto and sundried tomatoes which was tasty, but no crackers or anything to put it on, so we just ate it with a fork. Parking was easy for our smallish event and the drive from downtown was easy with a navigation app running, but would have been tricky without that. read more

It was nice a bit over priced for a venue, the one I attended people kept walking in on the wedding an reception because they was attending an event in another part of the bldg but didn't have marked properly that was VERY annoying But could have been the time of year an such just my personal option of being a little pricey read more

Taking is awesome we came for a wedding rehearsal that food was great so was the service

Excellent venue for personal and corporate events. I had the pleasure of planning a 50th birthday party here. The guest of honor was extremely pleased with the outcome. I've also attended fundraising events here as well. My only con would be the poles in the upper area prevent a clear view in some seats during presentations. Hoaglin catering doesn't a terrific job with the menu. There are many options to choose from and various price points. Definitely consider this venue if you are planning an event. read more

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Mother of the bride here. My daughter was recently married at the Biltwell. BTW, I've never posted a review on Yelp (good or bad) but felt I needed to now - based on our experience. The facility is very nice but also very pricey - multiple thousands of dollars for administrative fees in addition to the charge to use the facility and, of course, the food. My husband and I were willing to pay their prices assuming that our daughter would have a nice wedding. Sad to say this did not happen. On the morning of the wedding our daughter's wedding coordinator was fired. Rumor has it that Taki fires employees to avoid paying them. First, the supposed "new coordinator " never introduced herself to us, bride, groom, wedding party until the end of the evening. She did not know what we looked like. This would cause issues later on. Second, sound system was awful because Taki would not let the DJ set up where our original coordinator suggested - hooked into the Biltwell's. As a result of this, we never heard any announcement about the bride and groom's first dance. My husband and I both missed it and THERE CAN BE NO DO-OVER. I've seen several favorable reviews on Yelp about the Biltwell and can only assume that your coordinators were not fired on the day of your event. Total disappointment with the Biltwell and Taki, the owner. read more

Highly recommend The Biltwell Event Center. Everything went smoothly at our daughter & SIL's rehearsal & reception. The staff were very attentive & friendly. The venue was beautiful and food was amazing. We got so many compliments. Well done, Biltwell Event Center. Thanks for everything! read more

We had a very mixed experience for our wedding. The venue is gorgeous and everyone complimented just how beautiful everything was. However, we had a lot of issues with the staff. The main problem we had was when we paid them. There was a high credit card fee, so we opted to send in a check. The staff at the Biltwell called to give confirmation that they had received our check in the mail, then a couple days later called back saying the bank had lost our check for tens of thousands of dollars. This was DAYS before the wedding. We ended up giving them another check the morning of the wedding, and the owner confessed that they had lost the check, not the bank. This was incredibly unprofessional and concerning for us. One other incident with staff included their coordinator emailing me to inform me that my wedding planner did not respond to their email, less than two hours after sending them the original email. The coordinator changed twice from the time I booked my wedding to my actual wedding date. I was never informed of the changes in staff, so my emails would go unanswered for months until someone would finally reply and let me know the new email to send questions and requests. The staff would make lots of empty promises as well. One such example was promising that they could have lamb at our wedding. We said that it was culturally significant to my now husband, and they promised they could do it. This was one of the reasons we chose them as a venue. Then, at our tasting, only a couple months before the wedding, they said there was no way they could make lamb for us, as it would be too difficult for them. If we had known that, we would not have used them as a vendor, and had made that very clear from the start. read more

Polished and raw ornate feeling from the old school wood and modern minimalist interior decor, or lack of it, plenty of parking, easy to find off the beaten Indy path which felt right for the modern hipster event we attended. Huge main room above lower has plenty of lighting and offers huge windows that make for an enticing atmosphere as the sun sets. We enjoyed our time here for a fundraiser and definitely recommend to any seeking a city space with space and open air. read more

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Absolutely gorgeous facility with a great view of downtown. Just had a meeting here and it was well done. The staff was professional and courteous l. Would be a great venue for many types of events. read more

Today we visited the Biltwell Event Center for the Markets for Makers Event. Buying local with homemade gifts directly from the Maker is perfect timing on Small Business Saturday. Nice to visit with so many talented people right here in Central Indiana. The first floor had food trucks, coffee and tables for dining. All the vendors was on the second floor. There were 2 flights of stairs to climb or an elevator we could take. I chose the old freight elevator as did many. I purchased several items and found many gorgeous boutique items, handcrafted pieces of jewelry, woodworking, candles, homemade goodies and a wonderful landscape painter by the name of Randi Ford. Randi Ford is from Sturgis, Michigan but now lives in Grand Rapids, Michigan. Her dancing Michigan landscapes are very fluid with curving lines and a peaceful movement. I really enjoyed speaking to her about her work. She does individual custom pieces, a piece that fits your space or paints a special place to you. She can be reached at randiford@gmail.com. I, along with many others, also enjoyed Dr. Ray's Toffee. He said his goal is to make great toffee that people love and makes them happy. Well he certainly did that. The sample was delicious as well as the container I purchased. It made me very happy. I'm glad I have his card so I can order more online. Frankie Jo's is known for her soft tee's but I happened to find jewelry that I had to have. And my last purchase is the soy candle from Simple Nature in Ft. Wayne. The name of the candle is Christmas Eve and it smells so delicious. The aroma is warm Christmas cookies with vanilla frosting, cinnamon sticks, toasted Graham crackers and juicy raisins. The house smells amazing. I know I'll be purchasing more of these. Now, of course, the Biltwell Event Center is gorgeous. Built in 1922 and remodeled in 2014, the Biltwell Event Center is a former door and cabinet manufacturer and now a historic Event Center. With original hardwood floors, exposed brick, amazing wooden beams, and saw tooth windows, the building holds its original, rustic character, and industrial atmosphere while maintaining a modern comfort and great amenities. The large windows provides a great deal of natural lighting and at night the 2nd floor view of downtown is really cool. Ten individual event spaces of varying sizes are available, with a building capacity of 1,000. With in-house catering, complimentary parking, and tables and chairs onsite, the Biltwell makes planning an event fun to think about. Perfect for weddings, receptions or any special event. This industrial area is currently going through significant changes and lots of construction is underway. The surrounding area may put you off but don't let that stop you from visiting the Biltwell. read more

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This is such an awesome venue. It's close enough to downtown to be considered downtown, but you don't have to worry about all of the traffic and the paid parking that comes with downtown. The venue is beautiful. It's perfect for a variety of events. I've been here for a Yelp event, seen it have many weddings, a vegan festival, and also a wine festival. Each time, it accommodates the event fairly well. Although it isn't the most accessible, it does have a freight elevator that can do the job. The dim lighting is romantic and great for personal and private events. One thing I have noticed that I've heard from vendors at events: there is almost always an electrical issue at some point during the event. This also ties in that many of the interior space (space not located along the walls) don't have access to many outlets, so keep that in mind. The reason for 4 instead of 5 stars is parking. When they're hosting an event with hundreds of people (like festivals), this place just doesn't cut it, especially when it's raining. The parking lot seems somewhat big, but once you have a normal sized event, combined with the other vendors in the building, it quickly fills up. They do have the option to park in the grass across the street, but again, if it's raining, you better have all-wheel drive. Another knit-picky thing that I have grown to loathe is that new blue signage facing the interstate. I just want to know who chose that font?! Lol It's like it's trying to best a western-style font. Other than that, I don't have many complaints from the times that I've been here for random events. Large space, beautiful exposed brick interior and exterior. read more

Biltwell Event Center - Noooo. That font makes me want to cry - Venues & Event Spaces Near Me - Indianapolis, Indiana

Great event center. Will definitely book again. Made all guest feel comfortable and welcomed. Taki was amazing.

Taki was awesome he has a great place. Service was awesome and he had a wonderful staff.

I have to be honest. By the time I arrived at Biltwell Event Center, which is located a little over a mile from my downtown office, I'd dropped more than a few F-bombs trying to find the urban event center that is well hidden within plain sight. It took me over an hour, seriously, to find Biltwell but once I did and once I was inside all the stress build-up and anxiety over trying to find the place began to disappear as I immersed myself in its stunningly beautiful setting that nearly perfectly weaves together architectural history and contemporary offerings. Built in 1922, what is now the Biltwell Event Center was renovated in 2014 and boasts eight individual event spaces on two floors adding up to 25,000 square feet of event space, a capacity of 1,000, and 300 complimentary parking spaces. They offer built-in audio-visual equipment with tables, chairs, and linens on-site. At night, the second floor offers a pretty remarkable view of downtown Indy which, if you don't get lost like me, is actually only about five minutes away. The in-house caterer is Hoaglin Catering, which is also the Biltwell's sister company. While they do have preferred vendors for other needs, other than Hoaglin being the required caterer you are free to use outside vendors. There is a very nice fire station across the street from Biltwell, though it's a bit set off the street and doesn't negatively impact the ambience. As has been noted in just about every review, this is a highly industrial area of Indianapolis and certainly not the first area you'd think of for a scenic view. The way I arrived, I came in off the IUPUI campus and accessed it via the northern end of White River Parkway. This required going through a virtual dead zone of industry including a long vacant plant (that is crying out to be a movie set) and a couple twists and turns that look like they hide The Walking Dead. Biltwell signage is visible from the street, and boy was I relieved to see it, though pulling into the parking lot it wasn't readily apparent that there was parking in the back. My hope is that there's vastly better accessible parking in the back than the front. The two accessible parking spots in front are abysmal at best - far from ADA compliant and one is so slanted that you're practically begging for your car doors to get scratched. Both were taken upon my arrival, but I did have success parking at the end of the front row. The front entry involves a parking lot incline that, once again, is definitely not ADA compliant and not particularly disability friendly. This is especially weird since once you get inside the building, accessibility is not much of an issue with available accessible restrooms and an elevator, I believe freight but still an elevator, up to the 2nd floor. Biltwell would be an idea choice as a wedding venue, either the ceremony or reception easily being accommodated here with seating for up to 450 even on the 2nd floor. The exposed brick and natural woods create a remarkable aura of luxury. I wouldn't quite say Biltwell falls into the "affordable" category, but given their different event spaces they do have a variety of options that are more affordable than you might think. They can definitely fall into the high-end category, but for small businesses and special occasions you definitely have some options here. I found the audio acoustics a little off during the event I attended; this may also have been the speakers involved and their ability to adapt to the sound system. I had a hard time hearing one speaker and not much of a problem with the second. While not in the greatest area, Biltwell Event Center is an event spot worthy of being a destination location. While I'm not willing to go the 5th star, I'd easily return and if by some earth-shattering miracle I ever marry again this would be a place I'd consider for my celebration. read more

Exposed brick? Check. Original hardwoods from 1922? Check. Loads of natural light? Check. Room for 450 people SEATED on the second floor? Check. Biltwell is a wonderful addition to the event venue scene in Indy. The building is from 1922 and served as a mill making doors and windows for years. Jeanette (of Santorini Greek Kitchen fame with her husband Taki) bought the building and opened up Biltwell Event Center in August 2015. They've only hosted three weddings so far, so you can be one of the first to explore this new space! It doesn't look like a whole lot from the outside...in fact, you'll wonder, did MapQuest lead me the right way? But inside you'll find tons of space on the first and second floors, a grand wooden staircase, two freight elevators that are the size of a room and could fit lounge furniture, and a gorgeous speakeasy-vibe bar area on the first floor. This space can be anything you want it to be and more! A huge plus: there are outlets GALORE. Power can be tricky at events to find an outlet and have extension cords everywhere. Biltwell was smart and has them on every single pillar, which are every sixteen feet. You won't have any issues powering up! The lighting is perfect and the space has endless possibilities. Can't wait to see what fun events take place in this unique space! read more

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This place is very elegant and spacious. The staff here are extremely amazing. I 100 percent recommend booking this place for any event.

Taki was awesome, very informative and very helpful. Great people, great food, great hospitality. Staff was very nice and courteous.

I give this place a zero star. The owner is completely rude and tried to corner my friend in the bathroom. Which made her very uncomfortable. They also have roaches. And when we went to sign an agreement for our event he tried to scam us and take our money. DO NOT BOOK THROUGH THIS PLACE read more

Had a wonderful time time last night at WFYI Ice Miller Wine Fest. It was very well laid out and crowded, but not overly crowded. Alot, of different selection of wine from local to all over the world. The silent auction had alot of memorable items, and beautiful jewelry. Thank You Yelp! read more

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I attended a charity event at the Biltwell Event Center. The venue has a nice wood/industrial vibe. Large 2 story venue with bars on both floors and a freight elevator. Had a nice outdoor balcony on the second floor, which unfortunately wasn't utilized because of the rain. A couple of downfalls: the bathroom is located downstairs. Our event was on the second floor and it was annoying to keep going downstairs to use the restroom. Secondly, is the location of the venue is near some plant that gives off a strange grain odor. It's hard to describe but it's definitely noticeable upon entering and exiting the venue. Overall a great time. read more

Biltwell Event Center - Venues & Event Spaces Near Me - Indianapolis, Indiana

taki was great it's an amazing place food was good I had a great time staff was nice and very helpful

My husband and I got married in October of 2022 at Biltwell, and our entire experience was far from satisfactory. My husband and I decided to cancel our original wedding plans due to losing a family member who played a huge part in both of our lives. Once we decided to have the wedding back on, we decided to stay local and have a smaller mor intimate wedding. We toured the Biltwell and I fell in love with the look of the venue. It was clean, vintage, and seemed to be a well ran business. We told the owner about our situation of cancelling our original plans, and he promised to take care of us. I think he took that as he could run our wedding however he wanted. Our biggest issue we had was with the event coordinators they have and the owner himself. We were given one coordinator when we gave our deposit, and she did absolutely nothing for us. I would email her and ask questions about the bar, food, guest count ect. and I wouldn't get a response for days sometimes even weeks. The owner said if we had any issues to reach out to him, but he was copied on all of the emails so he could see how long it took her to answer my questions. Even when she would finally answer, her response would be "I will have to talk to the owner about this". At this point our wedding was 4 months away and I didn't know answers to a lot of things. I was so close to just cancelling our wedding, but then the original coordinator we had quit and we got a new one. Our new coordinator was handed an empty file 3.5 months before our wedding! She didn't even know if we were having our ceremony and reception there or just one. We were having both. The new coordinator was wonderful at the start, and she got us back on track. We picked out things we never even got to talk to the other coordinator about, we found out they have a giant room of decorations you can use (AFTER we already bought a ton because we had no idea), we were told there was a kids menu (Which was MUCH cheaper) rather than making them eat the meal we picked, and the list goes on and on. The new coordinator promised she would not let us down, and I was feeling so much better about our wedding. Come wedding day, she did not show up at all. LUCKILY, a couple days before my wedding I asked a family member to be our person coordinator on our wedding day to make sure things run smoothly. She was an aunt of my husbands, and I knew she would do whatever we asked and make sure the wedding was how we wanted it. One of the things I made for my guests was a "Newspaper" that had our story, the itinerary, the food menu, ect. I had talked all of this over with the venues event coordinator a couple days before the wedding. Since she did not show up, the owner decided to help with our wedding. He was trying to give our officiant a microphone (after he said he didn't want it) and was saying "Check" in the mic as we were walking down the aisle, and changed the order of things after cocktail hour. The bridal party and us were supposed to be announced coming back in, and then we were going to go right into our first dance to get it out of the way. Instead, the cake table was in the middle of the floor and we didn't do our dance until after dinner. The owner also started to close parts of the building down early, and tried to close the bar at 8pm (it was supposed to be open until 9:30 per the contract). My husband's aunt tried to talk to the owner about closing things down, and it ended up in a screaming match. He included me, but I couldn't get a word in. He was asked to show the contract he had in his had, but he wouldn't. He called me and my mother liars and said we told him he could close things down early (We did not). He ended up kicking us all out at 9pm, and my husband and I didn't even get to do our sparkler exit. I'm in no way am a person who would bash a business. I just don't way any other bride to experience the chaos I did. When I reached out to the owner to discuss our wedding a week later he never responded. read more

I really enjoyed the coffee event. The facilities were absolutely beautiful. It was fun to learn about the different coffees And see how the aroma can change when the grounds are dry versus brewed. There were a variety of vendors who did a good job of explaining where each type of coffee came from. The venue is very spacious and is great for a variety of events. You also have a wonderful view. read more

I am soooo glad I attended this event! So MUCH information to help GROW your business. Oh, and did I mention the Biltwell Event Center is fabulous! Brittany S. All of you guys rock! Thank you for bringing this invaluable tool to Hoosier business owners; looking forward to GROWING! read more

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We used this venue for our wedding and reception. We had a great planning experience with our coordinator and the venue itself is gorgeous. The best thing about this place is that it has a lot of gorgeous space. We rented one side for the evening and had 3 different locations for our guests, including a beautiful outdoor patio. The menu choices and food were awesome. The food is great- we had lots of compliments from guests! There are some additional perks like- there's a brewery in the building and an amazing stairwell and old fashioned elevator. Some things that turned out to be difficult or as challenges for us- the bridal suites are very small and have poor ventilation. The bridal suites also have almost no furniture. So it's not one of those places that you can really get ready in. Lastly, the only other criticism I have would be that the venue doesn't provide help the day of to set up tables. We had to have a team of friends set up the tables in the back before the staff carried them out. There was a lot of work to do on the wedding day because of this. read more

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I was lucky enough to attend Indianapolis Monthly's Best of Indy even here a few days ago at this amazing event space. Getting to the event space I had to put some faith in my GPS because the location just minutes from the heart of downtown and in an area I deem as industrial. There is plenty of parking behind the building and the event I attended had a valet service. Upon walking to the entrance of the building, I did not know what to expect but once those doors opened I was blown away. There is a majestic wooden staircase that leads you to a large open space upstairs. The lighting was soft and perfect. Not harsh and industrial like I would have imagined. I was really blown away with how large the space it. The window around the exterior of the room are large and brilliantly adorn with a rustic bar like shelf. Perfect for propping up on while noshing on some food during happy hour. The only reason I didn't give 5 stars was because of the walk to the front door from the parking area was a bit tricky. Then trying to find the correct door for the event was another trial and error experience. I suspect some helpful signage would take care of this pretty quickly. read more

Hello to the newest urban event center located in downtown Indy. I'm lucky enough to learn about this venue by being honored at an Indy Monthly Magazine awarding the "best of" a plaids to reader voting... Anyway. The Bitwell Event Center has a cool urban feel with rich wood floors and aged brick walls. It is a manageable, open concept space with a cool freight elevator that had furniture set up in it to lounge in while descending a floor! The area where the center is is a "up and coming" I guess. The parking is scarce and it's kind of a one way traffic deal as you enter to park, but welcome to the ci-tay! Overall I loved the Bitwell Event Center read more

What and awesome event at the Biltwell event center. The venue was gorgeous. With all the windows looking out and seeing the rain just pouring down. Brick walls,steal beams and wood floors. The vendors were amazing. Just some of the vendors I sampled. NADA: your taco was so good I had two. CITY BBQ:Mac & cheese and Beef Brisket and then a wedge of apple dip in chocolate with nuts on it.And lemonade with fresh fruit. Reggae Grill the chicken wings was a little spicy but oh so good. Mallow Run the rhubarb wine was really good. Mogul Vodka both of your drinks were outstanding I loved the new grapefruit one. Wick Pies oh so good. Everyone looked fabulous it great to have the honor to attend such an event like this Thank you Britney and everyone else who helped in putting on this event. And thank you for letting us give back by donating prom dresses and other thing to give to others who need them. read more

I was here for the 8th Pattern magazine launch. The facility on the outside left me a little skeptical (especially the parking for how big it is on the inside.) We walked in downstairs and it's very open - very warehouse like. Not bad. Then we walk upstairs and.... WOWZA!!! This place is GORGEOUS! I would venture to guess they could hold 500+ even with table and chairs, but I'm no expert. Gorgeous wood work to mix with the warehouse feel. Also - you can walk out on the roof to catch some fresh air. Just don't do so after you've had a few. There's no railings up to stop you if you're feeling brave. The only really real complaint I had was that the bar didn't accept credit/debit cards. I don't know if this is a regular kind of thing or if it was this way just for the event, but definitely worth asking. read more

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One of the premier event spaces in Indianapolis. Located just west of downtown with tremendous views of the downtown skyline. The building is an old flour mill. There are multiple spaces of several different sizes within the building. The catering is done by Hoaglin and is top quality. You can also get Greek items from the old Santorini Menu. Overall a really great space that won't disappoint. read more

Absolutely gorgeous event venue. The Biltwell seems to be a diamond in the rough for the part of town it's in, surrounded by the interstate and vacant industrial parks. I attended a wedding reception here and I think everyone gasped as they walked upstairs to see the fairy lights, exposed brick, wood beams and natural light all adding to the atmosphere. There are two floors. For this event, the first was used for the cocktail hour and the upstairs was the seated dinner and dance floor. Definitely a space for a large crowd-- closer to 350-400. All the staff seems very professional and seasoned with running upscale events. read more

Absolutely amazing. I visited the Biltwell in August of 2017 while searching for a wedding venue. As soon as I walked in the main doors, I knew this was where I wanted to get married, and The Biltwell ended up being the perfect place for our wedding. Hayley was our wedding coordinator and she was amazing! She was so kind and helpful and was always in contact with us. I couldn't have imagined our wedding without her. The whole process leading up to the big day was smooth and easy, and the day of our wedding was everything I could have dreamed of and more. All of the staff were very professional and helped make the day absolutely perfect. I recommend The Biltwell to anyone and everyone looking for an event venue! You will not be disappointed. read more

Beautiful spot. I've attended a couple fundraisers and other events here and I would def recommend it for weddings. It's woody and beautiful and very well kept. read more

After two different events, I've seen first hand how flexible the space is. I love the way the feel changes from the green of afternoon (tons of trees through the windows) to the golden glow of sunset to the classy romance after dark. Next time I get to plan an enormous party with a budget, I'll be making inquiries here first. read more