Rooms are very cozy & warm for the price. Hot tub worked perfectly & it was worth the price of the stay. Walking distance from restaurants & not that far from the lake. read more

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The room was exactly what we wanted for the holidays, clean, convenient location walking distance to shopping and restaurants. Loved the jacuzzi to warm up from the cold, adjustable big screen tv, heated room and gas fireplace. The text communications were great, responses were quick, even dropped off extra sheets, towels & snacks late night. Parking right out front. We will definitely return! read more

Horrible establishment. Went in February and had a room for me and my fiancé. We had check in time at 3pm and then our check-in got extended till 4 PM because apparently the people had not left from the night before because their cars were snowed in. Me and my fiancé decided to get something to eat and by the time we were done getting our late lunch it was finally 4 PM. I reached out. I got no response for an hour. Finally, when I got a response, they said check-in time was now at five. I asked if there would be any accommodations and they brushed me off and I asked where I can park and I got brushed off again. By the way, there's no lobby. It's a virtual check-in. It's basically like an Airbnb. Once it was 5 PM, they did not want to answer my calls anymore or answer any of my text messages. My fiancé is a type one diabetic and his blood sugar was dropping due to being outside in the cold. I explained that over a text message and I tried to call, but nobody was picking up. Since my fiancé's blood sugar was dropping, I had to look for another hotel and luckily I was able to get the last room left at the burgundy. I had no communication with anyone until 7 PM when somebody texted me the number of my suite. It was too late once they texted me so I asked if they would be able to offer me a refund due to the situation and they said they would and they never gave me a refund when I called back a couple days later to schedule the refund, a lady answered and was helping me out and when she asked me when I booked, she hung up while I was in the middle of my conversation with her. I kept trying to call back for the next week and it seems like they blocked my number. Don't stay here unless you have a backup plan because the management is horrible. read more

Horrible place. Pictures are not true. This is not anything luxurious at all! Just stayed there 2 weeks ago worst decision and money spent! This is not a hotel it's literally a room. There's no front desk or check in. You get a code 30min before your check in to open the door! Room smelled like marijuana and filled with ants! My boyfriend and I even got bed bugs bites! Jacuzzi tub they show was filthy! We turned on the water and brown water came out! Reached out to owner who offered me 5% refund! A joke! Do not stay here! read more

Coming from a neat freak, germaphobe, frequent traveller.. here's my opinion. Location is good.. you're within minutes of everything. Shops, food, skiing, tubing, you name it. You are also directly across from a fire station so you're the first to hear the blaring of it. Win some lose some. Interior is fine.. Nothing above average but not bad. Paint on the walls is chipped, bathtub is chipped, shower head is coming off the wall... however the layout is cute and decor is up to date. Cleanliness is good.. As a med student, I refuse to bathe or shower without running steaming water first to clear any bacteria .. and run the jets for one minutes to see if they were cleaned. It passed the test. I wore white socks and scraped my feet on the hardwood to see if any residue came up.. nothing. The sheets were fresh and so were towels, etc. Can't complain there. Comfortability - Bed sucks. I personally need firm and solid. This bed is squishy and springy. Gave me a backache. Small secondary couch in the room is comfy. Other positives - Jets in the tub worked fine, hot water was pretty constant ... mirror in the bathroom has vanity light which is nice.. air/heat work fine.. Mini fridge works good.. ya get your own parking spot too so that's cool. Don't know if i'd stay here again, but for a last minute anniversary trip it was fine! read more

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Avoid this place. It's gross and dirty and the employees are awful and rude. I would never ever stay at this place ever again. Please read all the other 1-2 star reviews before staying here. read more

No no no. Stay here only if you are tired of thinking about getting covid 19 and would like to start thinking about all the other diseases you could catch like VD, crabs, bed bugs, leprosy. I mean OUR imaginations went wild. We are stoic in our philosophy in life and look at it as an adventure so we aren't too mad BUT THEN seeing a scaly residue after using the jacuzzi and wondering WTH COULD THAT BE?!?!? Also, the Nespresso machine didn't work. The dyson fan didn't work either. We can't say ANYTHING good about it. Unless maybe you don't have a home. If maybe you live on the streets and you need to shower up. Sorry. I have never left a review this bad. I like people and I don't like being hurtful. read more

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We stayed the night here and it is very cozy, spacious and clean. Customer service was great! They even helped with directions on how to get to Las Vegas. read more

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Travelers beware: The location of this Inn is 10/10, however the way they operate is very concerning. We checked in and unfortunately there was a city wide power outage. We were told by the young lady working on 3/9/24 that given the circumstances we may check out and to receive a refund to contact booking dot com. Today on 3/12/24 I was told by a young lady that "this is how hotels work anywhere in the world, and that the way we see it the money is ours". If you love a rock hard mattress, one bag of Costco popcorn and poor customer service, this place can be your getaway from the daily grind. read more

they claim that this is a spa tub but it's broken and there's pubic hair in it and when we turn the water on flakes of skin and stuff came out of the Jets which is very gross. This place is right across the street from the fire department which you hear sirens all night long. The sidewalk is broken so it is a hazard to walk a crossed and you can get hurt very easily going upstairs. No one from this facility cares to return any phone calls Nor do they care to return any text messages it has been four days and I still have not heard from these people.. find someplace else to stay Because there is no good customer service and there is no good solutions to any situation in your room read more

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This place is a in the rough! My boyfriend and I came across this place because we wanted to get out of town for the weekend. We could not be more happy with our decision to stay here! There are only 4 rooms in the building and it is conveniently located near the village and other major local businesses. The room was extremely clean and comfortable. We had an AMAZING time! We will definitely be returning again soon, but this time we will be bringing our friends back and renting all 4 rooms! Thanks again Bryan for this awesome experience. read more

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Green Tea Cabin. We stayed for a weekend. The biggest issue we had was the jacuzzi (which is the main reason we chose this cabin) was green and stinky. We contacted the property manager and she seemed to be receptive but nothing was done. So basically we paid about $100 more per night compared to the average cabin because of a jacuzzi that was unserviceable. The owner apparently didn't care about it. read more

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ROACHES, ANTS, BLACK MOLD - DO NOT STAY HERE Immediately upon entering the room I glanced up into the corner above the fireplace and saw black mold seeping out onto the ceiling. Once i shut off the main light to try to get some sleep and leave as soon as possible, something scurried out from under the stained, disgusting couch. The room was roach infested. I killed that one and pulled the couch out to find another one waiting. The absolutely disgusting room ruined our weekend. The cherry on top of the shit sundae was the huge trail of ants crawling out of the light switch on the wall at the head of the bed. This place needs to be inspected and shut down as soon as possible. Please spend your money somewhere else. read more

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Very nice place. Walking distance to big bear village. Thought close to the Main Street, you can hear traffic.the place is exactly how the website pictures are. Very clean and looks newly renovated. The spa was great after a day skiing.a faux fireplace adds class.parking out front. Overall I give it a a 5 stars. read more

My husband and I stayed here a couple years ago and it was much different then. Needless to say I won't come back. The suite we got (Suite #4) was rundown and very disappointing. The ceiling fan made a constant clicking noise, the lamp on the bedside wall fell when my husband tried turning it on, the jacuzzi area is falling apart, the toilet wasn't properly attached to the floor, and the bed is hard as a rock. I immediately texted Bryan (the host or manager or whoever) and the only response was "sorry about the jacuzzi." It's a shame that the property owner or manager would consider this a suite. read more

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I had a wonderful Stay at the Lindberg Suites!! We stayed in the Sleepover Suite. The place is well managed and kept really clean! Stacy is very inviting and keeps in constant communication! she is quick to respond, hospitable and professional! the Hot tub is super nice and the jets are easy to turn on and off. The location is definitely a plus! everything is walking distance! Me and my Sweetheart spent a lot of our time walking to Big Bear Village and it was comforting to know that our suite was close by with a fire place and a hot tub just waiting for us!!! Plus a lot of hiking trails close by! Would recommend this for couples! had a great stay! read more

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Absolutely amazing. The decorations were amazing. It was very clean. Respectful and fast service. We came here after having a bad experience somewhere else. The spa tub was a real treat (very clean). Pillows were very nice. Large TV with iTunes The bed was comfortable, sheets were soft and clean. Espresso machine. Great privacy and quiet. Outside chairs and tables to sit. Nice up to date appliances. Nice towels. NO DUST. NO STAINS. Overall just great. Please stay here if you get the chance. read more

My husband and I are staying in the Gold Rush Suite and LOVE it! We were going to just come up for one day but we really enjoyed our stay so much that extended our time up here and booked another night. The bed is SO comfortable. The pillows, sheets and comforter are super cozy. There is a really nice electric fire place that heats the rooms as well as heated floors, a jacuzzi tub, mini fridge, microwave, desk area for me to do my work, a HUGE Smart TV, and a really cool little Expresso maker that makes some really good coffee. The location of this place is great too. Pine Knot is about a half mile down there street and there are a couple restaurants across the street as well. The staff is really nice and helpful and the virtual check in was super easy. I have zero complaints about this place and we will most definitely come here again! read more

Not recommended. Better to stay at a reliable chain hotel, or a cabin. Needs many updates and repairs.

Seriously the best spot to stay! Cozy 4 plex. Up to date technologcy here with tv/ fireplace/to plugs. Parking super close. Balcony on second floor. Hot water works great. Hot tub with jets is amazing after a day of skiing. Tucked away so may bee hard to find. Is across from fire station so can get loud at times. Walking distance fromThe Village. Super close to snow summit. Decor is up to date and easy directions to check in and out. Our stay for 3 nights during week was $354. Room has microwave mini fridge hot plate, cooking utensils n coffee maker. Also cups wine glasses n bowls. Everything worked except the vanity mirror, but no biggy. You have to stay at this place read more

We chose to stay here because of the good reviews but I was a little disappointed. It looks as if at one point it was nice but it look a little run down now. It wasn't very clean. There was a lot of dust everywhere. When I pulled down the sheets I saw hair in the bed. The hostess assured me the sheets were changed and nice enough to bring clean sheets but even the clean sheets has hair on them. She said it was because they did the laundry at the laundromat. The jacuzzi tub was very nice but it was leaking at the handles so we had to put a towel over it to prevent it from spraying all over the place. For some reason, someone was using AirPlay but it was showing on our TV. We can see their iPhone, apps, and screen saver on our phone. It was annoying because we were trying to watch a movie on Netflix and it would boot us out because they were trying to play music. read more

Wonderful Experience in the Green Tea Cabin with my husband ! I was a little nervous because there were some bad reviews but I reached out to Staci and she was able to address all of my concerns and make sure I had nothing to worry about. Staci Went out of her way to communicate with me through the booking process and with the many questions I had regarding the unit. Since talking over the phone is sometimes a challenge while I'm in the office She was still able to communicate with me via text message which I very much appreciated. My husband and I spent a weekend in the Green Tea cabin which is a cute private cottage style home down the road from the hotel. Everything was perfect! The beds were all Memory Foam & super comfortable! Both the living room and bedrooms Have smart TVs linked up to Apple TV with Netflix, Amazon prime TV , Hulu And a bunch of other options. The bathroom has a deep spa jacuzzi bathtub with jets. The kids room has bunkbeds and cool lighting underneath the beds that I know any kid would love! The fireplace is a pellet set up so no logs needed. Our favorite part was the Jacuzzi in the backyard all to ourselves!! We enjoyed the stars every night while sipping wine in the Jacuzzi. This place is so close to everything in town But far enough away to feel like you're in the woods. I didn't find anything the negative reviews said to be true. Honestly if your concerned about anything just reach out to them , I'm so thankful I did. This is a family owned business not a huge franchise chain so I can see how sometimes things aren't perfect but as for my experience I have no complaints. I would definitely stay here again. Here are some tips I recommend 1. Fireplace - To turn it on you need to turn on the thermostat on the wall right above the sofa & Turn on the switch is on the side of the pellet fireplace as well. The fireplace turns off every 15 minutes but all you need to do to turn it back on is hit the switches on the side of the fireplace again. 2.BBQ- You need to bring your own propane tank. The city doesn't allow them to provide one. 3.LOCKING FRONT & BACK DOOR- Getting the doors to lock is a little tricky, after turning the key as far as you can to lock the door, lift the handle all the way up then turn the key again a little more in the same direction . 4.Bring Bikes for when The weather permits. You could hypothetically walk to most everything but I think riding your bike is more realistic because it's like a couple blocks and to turn down the main road. 5. COFFEE- The green tea cabin provides a regular filter style coffee maker. Don't forget your coffee and filters. 6. This place has a full kitchen-OVEN, MICROWAVE and Fridge. 7. SHOWER - To get hot water turn it all the way to the left as far as it will go , give it a minute to warm up. read more

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Their manager charged me $100 for what was supposed to be a hold when I never even stayed there because when I arrived the rooms were disgusting! One of the dirtiest rooms I have ever seen. The bathtub had stuff floating in it, the Jett's were all broken, there were hairs in the tub. I complained and asked for another room, the other room was just as disgusting so I asked for a refund for the next next and didn't want to stay there more then one night, the manager showed up and told me I had to leave and he would refund me. All day I dealt with booking.Com to try to get my refund. It was a nightmare. I finally got refunded for the room and I have texts from the manager saying I would get the $100 deposit refunded back on my card but the charge went through and was never refunded. Now I'm dealing with my bank to try and get my money back 2 months later! I'm still dealing with this! $100 is a lot of money that they literally stole from my account and I'm still dealing with this headache! Do not book here! It's a disgusting scam of a hotel. Any positive reviews are either old or fake. I will say I stayed here 2 years ago and it was wonderful. I don't know what happened. Must be new owners or management but the guys in charge now are thieves! read more

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Wish I could give it zero stars. I looked through so many hotels with a modern look and a Jacuzzi for my husband's 30th bday and found this place and booked in advance. Our check in was at 3 pm and we were having lunch near the hotel around 12 when I receive a TEXT (not a call) to let us know that they will not be able to accommodate our stay. 3 hours before our check in time!!!? The woman texting handled the situation poorly and really didn't offer us anything to make up for the inconvenience (except a $25 credit for future use ) . We ended up staying next door at an old run down hotel with 70s decor and the smell of cigarettes, pretty much ruined our weekend. Thanks Lindberg! read more

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If I could give this place a zero star I would. It was SO DIRTY. When we went to check in they told us they were still cleaning it so we were like okay cool no problem and then we get in and it's disgusting. And then we were just hanging out and the alarm for CARBON MONOXIDE started going off and we tried to contact the property owner and he ignored us so we just left. So disappointed read more

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So happy I found and stuck with this place. It had great promise and boy did they deliver. My fiancé's birthday just passed and this was my gift- just a mini getaway from the city and we had an awesome time and was very pleased with the midnight suite from this property/establishment. Got a text from Stacey and all good vibes already, appreciated the initiative. Got to the room, impressed with the decor. smart Apple TV, "fireplace" looked awesome but more importantly had heat, hot tub was working well we used it once. There were things there to accommodate us like towels and a pot and dish soap and spoons and forks and glassware... we appreciated the bed because it was nice and comfy. Definitely not perfect if you're looking to criticize and point out flaws but we're not like that. Had a happy trip, had a lovely stay. Will recommend and book again! read more

They don't even get anything! More like Lindberg Cemetery! The website is fraudulent. This property looks like a prostitution and drug property . Empty lot next door that's basically a junk yard . 4 units only on the property. I booked for my Fiancé to celebrate Her Birthday and beating cancer . She was in tears . We had to leave after seeing the cleaners in a room cleaning the Tub standing in the Tub with Her Shoes on! WTF???!!!! We left ASAP and now disputing the charge . Total scam property and misleading if you see online . Please do not stay here !!! Thank God Adele at the Holiday inn Big Bear lodge checked us in to a Beautiful suite. I have disputed this he charge with my credit card and also filed a complaint with the health department plus the better business bureau. This is a $29.99 truck stop joint ! read more

The place was filthy! Coffee creamer was so old it solidified. The mattress pad was old and torn and did not cover the mattress. When we went to fix it, there was a dead fly under the sheets! Headboard was peeling and flaking onto the bed. We called and complained and they didn't care. Asked for $100 refundable amenity fee... but there are absolutely no amenities. The shower curtain had pink mold on it and there was an old toothpaste cap clogging the sink! It looks nothing like the pictures! Totally photoshopped!! -Sherri read more

I am speechless! For lack of a better word, Perfect doesn't even come close! This place is an ornate spot with stunning in room features! Close to all the mountains and with comforting owner and staff who showed us all features, where to eat and more! We arrived and the owner was there shoveling the driveway for us! Amazingly kind service! The room is exquisite, modern European influence with a GIANT in room spa! A must stay when in Big Bear! We could not be happier! Wish I could give 10 stars! Thank you Lindberg Suites, California! We will be back!! read more

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The boyfriend and greatly loved this place. The room had everything we needed. The bed was so comfortable and so was the bedding. The jacuzzi tub was perfect. And we were upstairs so we had a nice view of the lake. We are definitely staying again read more

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Had placed reservations well in advance and was excited to stay here. Got a text 2 days before arrival that my reservation had to be canceled because they were remodeling. If this was the case why not notify me sooner. I was able to find a much nicer place anyway and had a great time. However, I will never wish to try this property if this is how you treat a potential customer. read more

Lindberg suites was a perfect stay for my boyfriend and I we stayed at the gold rush suite, and it was perfect very spacious warm room they had an electronic fire place, an Apple TV, very nice bathtub and a cozy bed. You check in and check out by calling them never seen the host but his name was Leo and he was very informative. It's 4 min away from snow summit 3 min away from the village it was a perfect place. Definitely choosing Lindberg suites again when I return thank you!! read more

I stayed here while in town visiting family for two nights last weekend. There is no office to check in at, you have to call and someone will meet you at the room to let you in. We were met by Dave who was very friendly and got there within only a couple minutes of our call. He answered all of our questions and even recommended restaurants nearby. A+ for customer service! The room itself was very clean and modern. The room was large and included a jacuzzi, large wall mounted TV, electric fireplace, a small table and 2 bar stools, a separate bathroom with a shower/tub combo, a mini-fridge (that actually gets very cold which was a great thing) a hot plate (this was the first time I've ever seen one), toaster, some dishes (plates, silverware, glasses) and a separate vanity area that included some hair products. Overall the room was well worth the money I paid. The room only had a couple drawbacks, no AC and no screens on the windows. We had no options when it came to trying to cool down the room. We went to KMart up the street and bought an oscillating fan which helped, but not quite enough. It was a warm weekend and because of the Lake Fire you could smell the smoke so we wanted to keep it closed up. Because there were no screens on the windows there was no choice other than to keep it closed up because we didn't want to be hot, smell like smoke and have bugs in our room. I've never had a room without AC so I didn't think to ask, next time I will. This may be common in Big Bear, I really don't know. I've done a lot of travelling and this was a first for me. The coolest the room went down to was 78 degrees. If the fire wasn't an issue and there were screens on the windows the lack of AC may not have been such an issue for me. I'm sure this would be a great room to rent in the winter and we may be back. If you are a light sleeper I would suggest renting the upstairs rooms because you hear a lot of foot traffic below. This didn't really bother us though, it's an older building we expected it. The room was called "Magic Midnight". read more

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I haven't been able to reach anyone regarding my stays. during this COVID-19 I have been trying to reach them for over 2 weeks. I have made multiple calls, sent emails, no response. terrible customer service and of course NO REFUND for not staying there.. read more

Just got back from a stay 9/5-9/6 and I would've given Lindberg Suites a 4 or 5 star review if it weren't for the lack of communication between the owner and management. Once I booked my stay I emailed them (one full week before our arrival) to request one of the rooms on the second floor so that my boyfriend and I could enjoy the balcony and a view of the lake. This request WAS NOT HONORED. We arrived and Dave led us to the Gold Rush suite which is on the first floor. I showed him my email interaction with Mike (the owner) and he expressed his frustrations with Mike because he supposedly always takes these requests and doesn't communicate them to Dave who is actually the one on the property who checks in guests at their arrival. We definitely enjoyed our room once we were stuck with it since there were already guests checked into both second floor suites and he couldn't move us. It had nothing to do with decor choice, just waned a balcony with a view. I wrote to Mike again to tell him what happened and was not given a response. Other than that snag in the beginning, we loved being so close to Pine Knot Ave and actually just walked over there any time we wanted to do some shopping or get food/drinks since it was so close. The jacuzzi worked great as did the TV and wifi however THERE IS NO A/C. Luckily we were there when the high was only in the mid-70's and we actually brought a small fan with us since my boyfriend always sleeps with one on. I can't imagine what it would be like in the summer when it's really hot. With the lack of a/c and bad communication with owners/employees I'd honestly be slightly nervous to recommend this place to family and friends but I can't deny that the price is right and the location is ideal. read more

Big Bear Spa Suites - The bottom message is me request for a second floor room, the top is the response from Mike (the owner.) THIS REQUEST WAS NOT HONORED! - Hotels Near Me - Big Bear Lake, California

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My boyfriend and I found this place for a spontaneous getaway- perfect location for everything we had planned to see/do at a pretty great price thru booking.com. The check in and check our situation was strange due to the fact there is not a front office. We had to call and a young guy came down from one of the top rooms to give us the key (that's literally it) and then had us leave the key in the room checking out. Not so much an inconvenience as just a little strange to not be informed of prior to arrival. The room was actually quite perfect- hot tub was a plus. Although I do wish some things like bath robes and maybe water was available to guests. If you're going to thoroughly inspect the room maybe don't stay here but if you just need somewhere comfortable and convenient this place is perfect, maybe even better than expectation for what it is. My only real complaint would be the fact that I was kept awake by footsteps and the sound of a toilet flushing from upstairs as it was so loud from below. Overall, this place made our vacation even better and was a perfect comfortable room to end our day! Some tips for future stays: Call before you arrive to coordinate check in The building is set back from the street, keep your eyes peeled so you don't drive past it! BYO bubble bath (if you're into a bubbly hot tub) and water for the mini fridge Visit the coffee shop across the street and make a reservation through yelp at Grizzly Manor Cafe for breakfast (thank me later) read more

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Pricewise, the place was good but it's not the cleanest. We found hairs on our bed and it looked like the sheets were not changed. We had to go to Kmart to buy new ones. The decor looks modern and great in pictures, but up close it was kinda cheesy. It could use a facelift and new paint. The brown carpet around the jacuzzi needs to go. It looks old and dirty. The chair by the desk is missing a wheel. That is a liability if someone falls off and gets hurt. Across the street is the fire station. We heard it twice during the day, but not once at night. Thank goodness because it is loud!!!! The best part is the huge big screen tv and watching from bed!!! There was also nice toiletries. read more

If there was a ZERO star rating i would give it to this place. There is no AC, the fan made a clicking noise, the bed covers smelled nasty, when you turn the jacuzzi on all this black thing started coming out. Also, it seems like you can only get a hold of ONE person and that is "SAM." There is only 4 suites in total, the night i stayed there Sam gave my suite and the code for the lock to somebody else. He only answered my first call and ever since then i havent been able to speak to him. He also hasn't given me my deposit back and i took video of how i left the suite. He also doesnt answer my text or calls for that reason. Seems like he is a scam since he's the only person that you can speak to. My recommendation is not to stay here. Save your money and time and go somewhere else. read more

Stay away from this place !!! Horrible customer service !!! I made a reservation through Hotel. com and cancel it due to upcoming bad weather, i did it 72 hours before the date I was planning to stay as per cancellation policy and still they charged my credit card. I received an email from Hotel.com with the confirmation of the refund but never received it; I was contact by Stacey from Lindberg -Individual Suites and she was by the far the most incompetent and rude person I have ever had to deal with !!!! I am still waiting for my refund .... If i were the owner of this establishment I will have a sit down with Stacey and hopefully she can be properly trained to handle proper customer service. Needless to say I will never book any reservation at this place !!! read more

Stayed a few weeks ago. It was awesome! Lake view extremely clean rooms. Super cute! Talk about a deal! Walking distance to all the fun spots. read more