I cannot say enough good things about Dr. Ha and his team! This was my first surgery ever, so naturally, I was a bit nervous. I had a rhinoplasty and septoplasty performed by Dr. Ha in August, and the entire experience exceeded my expectations. During the procedure, Dr. Ha even discovered and repaired a broken bone I didn't know I had! From start to finish, the care and communication were top-notch: - They provided a comprehensive list of recommended supplies for post-op care. Following their instructions made my recovery exceptionally fast and smooth. - I was initially worried about how my nose would look, but the results are incredibly natural. I've already received so many compliments and best of all, I can finally breathe clearly! - The entire staff was amazingly patient, kind, and informative every step of the way. If you are considering nasal surgery, I highly recommend Dr. Ha. A huge thank you to Dr. Ha and the rest of the wonderful team! read more

Dr Ha and his team are, without exaggeration, absolute miracle workers. Every step of my journey was handled with an exceptional level of care, professionalism, and genuine warmth for my situation when my other MOHS surgeon totally dropped the ball. Dr Ha successfully repaired the other surgeon's incision with his surgical expertise. The entire staff deserves equal praise.......... Ashley is the best!! always keeping me informed and getting me in right away. The results exceeded my expectations. Everything looks completely natural and beautifully balanced. If you are considering plastic surgery or MOHS surgery and want a brilliant surgeon backed by a world class staff, I highly recommend Highly Artistic Surgery. read more

Dr. Ha is amazing. He takes time to educate and explain what he is doing and why. I felt completely supported and comfortable. The follow up is incredible too. Ashleigh could not be more kind or responsive. The office is beautiful and the staff are all personable and helpful. I had a neck lift, fat grafting and deep plane face-lift. Awesome results and really good experience. I highly recommend! read more

When I hit 40 I also hit that moment that I felt I was starting to look my age. Something had to be done! My mom with her ever helpful "hmm looks like it time for you to start Botox" referred me to Highly Artistic Surgery as she had been going here for years. Since I started going almost 2 years ago I have has Botox, Erbium laser around my eyes (photo), Juvederm lip filler and joined their monthly membership. Botox: Dr Ha is not going to pump you with a bunch of unneeded Botox. I have referred friends here that said they got less then they are use to getting and my mom has told me about places she has gone in the past that have given her more then she likely needed. Dr. Ha is going to give you a natural look and not try and push more Botox on you then you need. So if your goal is to look like Tim Allen in Christmas with the Kranks this is not the place for you. Erbium laser: This was recommended to me by Ashleigh Ha when I was discussing my concerns about my eyes and seeking recommendations. This is a laser treatment so there is some down time. The process can sting a bit and you will not want to see anyone for about a week. But its worth it! As you can see from the photos you can see tightening under my eyes. (this is with three sessions) Juvederm lip filler: Sorry I don't have the before an after of this. Dr. Ha is subtle with lip filler so you are not likely to have Kylie Jenner before and after lips. If you are just wanting to get a bit more fill to your lips especially as you age and your lips thin I would recommend this. Monthly membership: I love this. I have the option to pick one procedure a month from a list included with the membership (I believe you can see a list offered on their website) The membership is $99/month (at the time of writing this) and its like a nice spa day each month. They are performed by Ashleigh Ha which is an added bonus because she is friendly and fun to talk. read more

Highly Artistic Surgery - After three sessions of Erbium laser - Cosmetic Surgeons Near Me - Poway, California

My experience trying to book an appointment with this clinic has been unnecessarily frustrating, confusing, and unprofessional. On my first day trying to schedule an appointment, I was told by the woman (which I've now discovered is an answering service) that someone would call me back the same day. Nope. No callback, and when I finally got one, they messaged to say, "They got a missed call from me." Not true. The second time I called back (answering service again), the woman told me the office was closed until January 6th!! This is also not true, as I just received an email this morning. Unless this is also some kind of third-party answering service? Bizarre. Overall, the whole experience was an inconvenience and waste of time. Pushing my Botox out further than necessary. I found another provider whose clinic manager personally called me to book my appointment and give me a better promo price. Just a tip: hire someone in the clinic who actually prioritizes clients and new clients. Customers can feel the difference in the quality of care and deeply appreciate good service. read more

I have been going there for years. Dr. cares about his patients and does an excellent job.

Wow! I am blown away by Dr. Ha's beautiful new office. It has such a peaceful vibe and positive energy as soon as you walk in. Its like an art gallery meets plastic surgery/medical spa! Everything is pristine, clean and so beautifully and creatively decorated. Turns out Dr. Ha designed it himself and did most the work. Not surprising as his attention to detail even in his Botox injections speaks to his artistry. He takes his time and the results are always amazing. I would never go anywhere else! The parking is great and the office staff always so friendly. read more

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Dr. Ha left me a deformity on my left cheek! I went in to see him on Nov. 17th for fillers. I told him I wanted more volume in my cheeks. He suggested I get 1 syringe of Voluma. The next morning I woke up with a round bruised circle on my cheek with a very visible divot. I called his office and I was told by Annette that I had to wait 2 weeks to see the final result. I agreed and said I would give it 2 weeks. I decided to go see a Dermatologist and he told me that the filler was injected wrong and said I should go back to the person who injected it wrong and have it dissolved. The Dermatologist who told me this has been a Board Certified Dermatologist for over 40 years!! I still decided to give it another 6 weeks and hoped it would improve but it was looking worse. That's when I decided to give Dr. Ha's office a call and went in to see him. He did not admit that he injected the filler wrong. At first he started telling me that I needed more syringes of filler, then he started telling me that filler would not do anything for me, that I needed a face lift! Why didn't he tell me this before taking my $905 for a syringe of Voluma??? I insisted I have it dissolved so he injected hialuronidase. He said to give it a few days and call the office if I wanted more. I called 4 days later and asked if I could go in for more hialuronidase and I was told by Ashleigh that I could go in for more but that it was only going to dissolve my own collagen because Dr. Ha "hadn't injected filler in that area" that was bruised with a deep divot. Oh really?? Then how did I get that bruise with the divot? It wasn't there before until I went in to see Dr. Ha for fillers. My cheek Looks worse now than before. Hello! Just admit that you failed in fillers this time! Their website says that Highly Artistic Surgery "Is a state-of-the-art plastic surgery clinic and surgical center and they "promise a good experience through all procedures". Well, I experienced a Horrible one!! Below are some pictures of my cheek read more

Highly Artistic Surgery - After my visit with Dr. Ha - Cosmetic Surgeons Near Me - Poway, California

I went in for a consultation, i wanted to do a few treatments to get rid of some dark spots around my eyes and cheekbones. The doctor ans staff was friendly and worked around my crazy schedule, they doctor offered some other preventative treatments. Overall i am happyv and satisfied with Dr.Ha. read more

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I had a really great experience throughout the whole process of receiving facial Botox here. The entire team is very professional and efficient. Dr. Ha is quite knowledgeable, and has a deep understanding within these specialized areas of medical/cosmetic procedures and is able to communicate these concepts effectively to clients. He conducts his work with precision and care; definitely recommend! read more

Dr. Ha is so professional and has a very healthy sense of beauty. I have received fillers from him for years and I am given an honest conversation about the end results. I end up looking healthy, fresh and youthful without having a fake or dramatic altering of my looks. This Dr. is so informed of the medical world, thus he is impeccable in his work. He is not going to make any mistakes, when it comes to one's appearance. He is not going to " overdue " anything just for financial gain. He cares about his clients and his craft. This is clear in just how much tome he spends talking and working with you. I met and started working with Dr. Ha years ago. I am so grateful for how he's helped me feel about aging and taking care of my skin. I never go to any other person for fillers. I trust only him and his staff for my aesthetics. I have been a loyal customer for years and Highly Artistic Surgery has consistently proved to be a great investment for my happiness and confidence. read more

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This office is great! Dr. Ha is so skilled and wonderful at explaining everything. The staff in the front are the best. Beautiful office.

I went in to get a few moles removed and Dr. Ha was amazing. He was so thorough and was a great person. The service was excellent and I'm very happy. read more

I have been a patient of Dr Ha for over 5 years. He is extremely smart, caring and conservative. The entire staff is very accommodating and has a high level of customer service and professionalism. I highly recommend Dr Ha and Highly Artistic for all your cosmetic needs! read more

I wanted to take the time to tell you about my amazing experience with Dr. Ha, and his staff, at Highly Artistic Surgery Center in Poway. I cannot begin to tell you how pleased that I am with Dr. Ha, and the results of my non-surgical face lift. Let me start at the beginning of the story. As a 56 year old woman, I am no stranger to cosmetic procedures. I've had Botox, Juvederm, Restylane, and just about any other injectable to make me look younger. I've been to fancy La Jolla plastic surgeons, and paid an arm and a leg for these services. Botox to lift the brow - check. Juvenderm for thinning lips - check. I've tried it all. So, if I've done it all, why did I still look old? And tired? And unattractive? I didn't use to look this way. I was beginning to despair. Here I was going to "high end" plastic surgeons, but I just didn't like what I saw in the mirror. It was time for a change, that's for sure. So, I decided to look locally for a good plastic surgeon. Dr. Ha's office is up the street from my home, and he came highly recommended, too. I did my research and learned that Dr. Ha is an oncologist that specializes in cancers of the throat and neck, and does reconstructive surgery to help cancer survivors feel good about themselves again . As such, it made sense that Dr. Ha would know the neck and face, not just from the perspective of plastic surgery, but also from the perspective of a skilled surgical practitioner. So I booked a consultation with Dr. Ha. I knew that I didn't want actual surgery, but rather, a combination of non-surgical procedures to help regain a more youthful look. At the initial consultation, Dr. Ha took almost an hour to look at my face, and discuss options with me. He explained that through a set of non-surgical procedures, my face would look refreshed and toned. Dr. Ha also said that I would NOT look 20 years old again, but that I WOULD look 10 years younger - a better version of myself. This was OK with me! I'll take 46 any day! My second appointment was at the beginning of March. I took the afternoon off from work to do a series of non-surgical procedures including Botox, various fillers, Fraxel, and Ultherapy. Each of these is designed to do something different, but work together to achieve a refreshed look. Ultherapy lifts the face, neck, and throat. Fillers restore plumpness, and Fraxel and Botox fight wrinkling. So it made sense to do these at the same time, for the maximum result. Even though the results of Ultherapy cannot really be detected for 2 to 3 months, the other procedures were instantly successful. Please check out my before and after photos. They are truly unbelievable! I am looking forward to seeing the full results of my non-surgical face lift in a month or so. By then, the Ultherapy will have had time to work. If you are looking for a truly outstanding plastic surgeon, you owe it to yourself to visit Dr. Ha and his staff. They are extremely attentive, friendly, and seem to really enjoy their jobs! Although this may not seem important, it really does matter that they take pride in their work, and that they care that their patients are happy with the outcome. Thanks, Dr. Ha and team! I'm loving my "younger" self! read more

Highly Artistic Surgery - Joan P - Non-surgical face lift, after 4 weeks - Cosmetic Surgeons Near Me - Poway, California

I originally took my review down because I was offered a refund.... big mistake. I probably should see an attorney. The IPL treatments Dr. Ha performed on me have left me permanently scarred. I was told the skin would be fine and heal because I still had hair follicles. Well, here we are 2 years later and it's as bad as ever if not worse because the skin has scarred!!! Now it's tough and ugly and I can't wear anything that doesn't go up to neck. Just take a look at my pictures if you're considering ANYTHING performed by this "doctor " I have emailed the doctor current pictures on 8.29.18 as requested and have actually heard no reply other than seeing this response on Yelp.... read more

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What a treasure to discover Dr. Ha and Highly Artistic Surgery. As I age, hyper pigmentation is problematic, especially with Asian skin. Our skin type doesn't allow us to use most laser treatments. Dr. Ha recommendedClear and Brilliant laser . After three treatments, my pores are smaller and the sun spots and pigmentation have improved. During my last visit , the sparkling jewel in the office, Ashleigh recommended I have an IPL which would help the large darken pigmentation covering a good portion of my cheek bones. The sun can cause havoc to my skin ! I have posted a picture only five days after the treatment and my skin hasn't looked this good in years! The pigmentation is almost gone; my pores are smaller; and my skin feels soft and smooth. Ashleigh doesn't let you leave the office without strict instructions on how to take care of your skin following treatment and will follow up with a progress phone call and schedule a time for your next appointment. I will be returning in a month for another IPL treatment and will post those results to see the difference. I'll be turning 69 years old next month and I can't remember when my skin looked this radiant! read more

Highly Artistic Surgery - Five days after IPL. Only blush, no other face makeup. - Cosmetic Surgeons Near Me - Poway, California

Dr Ch Ha is a very good Doctor with professional skills and good aesthetics. His staff are nice and courteous. I am very satisfied. Thank you Dr. Ha. I highly recommend Dr Ha for your cosmetic needs. read more

2 HUGE THUMSBS UP!!!!! Dr. Ha is an amazing Dr.... I have have had 2 surgeries in 45 years, I am not comfortable with being put under and worked on..it is a HUGE fear.... He not only made me feel comfortable and confident he and his staff made the whole process amazing...before and after care... NOW to the work done.... I boxed, extreme sports, and plenty of broken noses and damage...yes my nose had big lumps and flared out at bridge...my main concern was breathing and being able to compete in spite strength competitions and crossfit...breathing on enough air is my only issue my cardio and power are fine..... NOT only did he open it up internally and I can now breath, I actually love the fact he cleaned my nose up resculpted the lines and how much better it looks....it was supposed to be an hour and a half surgery, after getting in there he had alot ot past damage to overcome that I did....5 hours later and an amazing job both asthetically and functionally how it works... He had to do a total sceptum reconstruction which he did a beautiful job....if he can do this whith what I brought him I have no doubt he can do an amazing job on a nose that hasn't been destroyed.....he will put the work in to get it done right...... Would do surgery with Dr. Ha anytime (hope to not damage my nose though lol) read more

I have never met this Dr I'm sure he is amazing at his work. And I would have loved to be a client. But due the discrimination I received from the front staff has caused me to not feel comfortable going to this office for any procedure. It is sad and unfortunate that I was mistreated by the front office staff. There is never any excuse for anyone to make a person feel mistreated from any Dr office when calling to make an appointment. I decided not to go here and called my Dr to revoke my refferal and I will take my business elsewhere. No one in a professional office setting should be able to lable or racially profile anyone. read more

I originally found Dr.Ha through a GroupOn Deal I found for Juvederm. I certainly did my research on his credentials before scheduling an appointment. I was impressed by his resume and experience (which can be found on his website) before I even stepped foot in his office. Even without the "deal" from GroupOn, I have become a loyal customer of Dr.Ha who is worth every penny for his amazing results. I highly recommend joining his e-mail list! I've found better offers via e-mail, through his office, than on LivingSocial or GroupOn. read more

I went to go see Dr Ha for a rhinoplasty consultation. The process was easy, the staff was friendly and help me schedule my procedure with ease. Dr Hs was very informative and helped me feel comfortable about moving forward with procedure. I look forward to my procedure and results. read more

Dr. Ha is great. I came in for Dysport and asked for a natural look. He was honest and very helpful. In fact he almost recommended I just use a skin care regimen instead. He guided me towards the correct placement of the product and it is true..... Dr. Ha is Highly Artistic and I am so glad I went to him and not somewhere else. My goal was realized...I wanted to still have some wrinkles but only soften the look so that I would look refreshed and healthy, not completely transformed. I am so happy with the fresh youthful look he created. read more

Dr Ha was very pleasant and detail oriented.i had a nose surgery performed by him and I am very satisfied with the results .i go to this place once in a while to have a facial and I love it! Staff is very friendly and helpful.prices are reasonable as well! Aned is knowledgeable and super good at what she does.id recommend the place to everyone read more

Dr. Ha has done it again! During my recent visit I wanted to add a lip filler to my upper lip. If you've had the chance to read my previous review then you have a background on my journey to a well balanced lip appearance. It had been a few years since my initial treatment do to moving overseas. Since I'm in town for a couple of months and I really miss have full lips I scheduled a visit. My first lip filler was Juvederm XC (administered by Dr. Ha) and it lasted almost a year and looked fantastic. At this visit I was offered a new product by Juvederm. It's called Juvéderm Vollure XC. It's a new product that adds a smoother look and feel and lasts up to 18 months vs. Juvéderm XC that lasts up to 1 year. I had the filler applied 5 days ago and I'm loving the results. Dr. Ha seriously knows what he's doing and has the magic hands. I highly recommend if your interested in lip fillers. The best hands down! read more

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Dr. Ha and his staff are amazing. I was very very nervous for my procedure. Dr. Ha and his staff answered all of my questions and eased my anxiety. I felt perfectly taken care of and safe the day of my procedure. I was most impressed with the aftercare. Dr. Ha kept me coming in frequently so he could carefully watch my progress. His nurses called to check on me and answered my questions in case I didn't feel something was normal. I feel so lucky to have had zero complications and I am so happy with my results. The level of care Dr. Ha and his staff gave me was top notch. I am a lifelong patient. read more

Dr. Ha is one of the most attentive and skilled doctors I have ever met. His office staff is exceptional. I originally began with botox treatments at Highly Artistic Center, and was so impressed with Dr. Ha and his staff, I chose them to do laser treatment and a procedures over other ''well known' centers in Del Mar and La Jolla. Why are they different? They truly do care about you as a patient and client. Highly Artistic has surpassed all my expectations. I give them my highest personal recommendation. read more

So happy to have found this place! The Doctor and his staff are amazing and super friendly. I love Dr. Ha's honesty and integrity. There services are super affordable and I can trust that they will not take advantage of my wallet. read more

Don't let their extremely reasonable prices fool you, Dr. Ha and his staff are AMAZING. You won't sacrifice quality for price here. This place is my secret weapon against my anti-aging battle. I've been going to dermatologists and plastic surgeons regularly for twenty years and I have never been more impressed than I am with the results and service I get from Dr. Ha and his staff. Dr. Ha does amazing work. He really wants you to get the best results possible and goes out of his way to do so. What really makes me a loyal client is that he is honest and doesn't want to just take your money. He has recommended treatments that cost much less than what I came in for, but work better. He does many little "extras" without charging me. For instance, when he was doing a procedure on me, he noticed a mole that was pre-cancerous and removed it at no charge. I never would have gotten it checked. I have many experiences like this at his office. He has such a kind and generous heart. His staff is wonderful, too! Ashleigh and Annette are great at what they do and make me feel so comfortable. They give me honest insight into the results they've seen from various treatments so I totally trust their opinion. Their prices are extremely reasonable, especially considering the quality of their work. When I compared his prices to others, I was very suspicious and concerned that the work wouldn't be very good. But after a series of treatments this past year, I would go to Dr. Ha over any surgeon in La Jolla or Beverly Hills. Personally, I think he really under charges for his work, but I sure am enjoying it. And, he really took the time to educate me on all of my options and how each procedure treats the different layers of my skin. He put together a non-invasive treatment protocol to treat each concern I had. Although I've spent more with other doctors, my face has never looked better. I like the fact that they do such a wide variety of treatments. From surgery, to lasers, fillers and hydrofacials (I love the facials)! Since I've been going to Dr. Ha this past year, my face looks 8 years younger, but no one can tell why. When I visited my mother, she noticed I looked much better, but didn't think I had anything done; and she is usually very perceptive and critical about beauty treatments. I highly recommend Dr. Ha. If you are considering a cosmetic facial procedure or anti-aging beauty treatments, book a consultation with Dr. Ha; you won't regret it. read more

Dr. Ha helped me fix a botched eye job from a previous doctor. I went to 4 other doctors before I found Dr. Ha....all of them said they could not help...Dr Ha looked and said no problem... Sure enough, after suffering through 8 years of hating what I saw in the mirror, I am now back to looking like I should. Dr. Ha is really good..I have used him for botox, fillers and repair surgery. He's great. read more

I have had Juvederm injections several times. No one comes close to the skill and creativity of Dr. Chi Ha. I was really impressed. I definitely will be back for various procedures. read more

I had a few moles on my face I wanted to get rid of. The good doctor recommended a do an overall laser treatment. He said it would help smooth out my skin from acne scaring and also the help the skin underneath the moles repair after he removed the moles. I agreed and his price for all of it was definitely probably would have cost at least a thousand more at most places, maybe more. A month later and the area where he removed the largest mole? Can barely tell there was a mole there! Wow. Was afraid of a scar considering the mole was not huge, but not small. I have to look real hard in the mirror to see where it was. The secret to this place is that I think the Dr. is new to the area. Probably why they don't seem to be extremely busy. That helps to get the time and see the Dr. quickly. As I said, the prices are extremely reasonable, the Dr. obviously is smart and educated. Insightful. Definitely 5 stars, when you consider the importance of any kind of procedure like this, you wanted a skilled doctor. You get that here. With a great price. read more

Dr. Ha is amazing. He is very patient and honest. I found his clinic on yelp and just by accident i decide to go there and try. I am so happy I did that. I had botox injection for my eyebrows to go up. He was very honest and told me that there is no need to have more units for my forehead when he could easily charge me for that. I loved his work so much and i brought my mom after i saw my great result. I recommend him to anyone who is looking for botox injection. Friendly, patient staff and very clean office/clinic. read more

Caring, Compassionate, Brilliant and Honest are just a few words that describe Dr. Ha. He is unbelievably patient and very professional. He takes his time to explain everything he does and goes out of his way to make you feel at ease and comfortable. He loves what he does and is very passionate about his work. What I love the most is he only recommends what you truly need. He is not one that is trying to sell you everything. The office is very modern and beautiful. I am 43 and have tried to stay ahead of the aging process. I've gone for fillers and Botox on a regular basis. However, I had started to see the beginning of a descending face that I knew needed a more intense intervention. Dr. Ha had recommended Ultherapy. I had the procedure done about 8 months ago without issue and right away I could see a difference. Only now do I feel like the procedure has generated its "peak results." Over the last few weeks I've had many friends asking me what I'm doing because it seems as though I am getting younger by the day! :-) The procedure itself is non-invasive and Dr. Ha uses an extremely effective topical numbing gel. My only real downtime was the day I had the procedure and even that was very minimal. I was a tiny bit sore for a few days afterwards. For me, the results were completely worth it and guess what? I haven't had to use any Botox or fillers since I've had the procedure done! Ashleigh also does excellent microderm abrasion and facials, etc. I love going to see her. The entire staff is extremely professional and friendly - they make you feel at ease right away. If you're considering any kind of procedure or surgery, I would definitely recommend going to see Dr. Ha for a consultation. read more

I have had two plus years of great experiences and results from Dr. Ha, Ashley and Aned! Starting with Fraxel, followed by Ultherapy and Venus Viva, mix in a little Botox. Dr. Ha and staff have managed to take 5+ years off my face in a non-invasive way with minimal down time. Their prices are competitive and they offer good specials often! I often get complements on how good my skin looks and how young I look for my age! They are professional, friendly and always take as much time as needed answering my questions and concerns! They have a lifetime client in me and I would recommend them to anyone! read more

Dr. Ha performed a neck left and a partial face lift (bottom half of my face). To say that I was thrilled with the results is an understatement. It definitely took 15 years off my age! Dr. Ha is very precise with his treatments & recommendations. He has an amazing eye for detail and explains everything fully BEFORE he operates. He was compassionate and sensitive to all the fears & concerns I had about various parts of the procedure. He is flawless in his execution. I could not have had a more positive experience --- both with Dr. Ha and his exceptional staff, both before and after the surgery. They take care of every detail! read more

Normally this is a 4.5-5 star facility and service. However I was surprised to find the office unwilling to honor the ad they had posted on their website. The ad clearly stated the service was $1500 as a fall special, however when I called they claimed it was a typo and would to no extent honor the offer. This was a service I have been looking forward to, and been on the lookout for such a special by this clinic, since I have my trusty Dr. Ha many times prior. Very disappointed... read more

I needed filler for my eyes and Dr HA recommended voluma and got it done in March of this year. My eyes are still hollow. I called them in April and let them know I wasn't happy with the results.. $860 is a lot of money when you don't get result. I don't mind paying but I want to get results. He maybe a surgeon but not a doctor to go to for beauty.. read more

We love Dr. Ha and his staff. My daughter was having trouble breathing and he found the cause of this problem. She had a broken bone in her nose that he removed. He performed her surgery in the surgical room at his office. His staff made sure my daughter was comfortable at all times. Dr. Ha had great follow up on her treatment. I would highly recommend Highly Artistic Surgery Center on Pomerado Road in Poway for anyone considering Rhinoplasty. read more

I came back with Dr. Ha for Fraxel in December. The procedure was not painful at all. He gave me numbing cream, relaxing medication (I am very chicken with needles:)). I stayed home for only 3 days (2 days on the week end and extra day on Monday), by Tuesday I came back to work with just a little redness on my face, by the following week end I am all healed and glowed. I am writing this review because Dr. Ha done another well job on me again. read more