This is regarding exams for Katniss and Gigi on Wed, 11/26. I used to like bringing my two cats here. Sadly, now I just have one cat (Gigi). Katniss passed/we had to put her down on Monday early early morning: 12/1. :'( Jennie, Aranza and I had texts going back and forth. I asked for an appt. so we scheduled the cats to come in on Saturday, 11/15 (which was cancelled due to me not having gabapentin for the fur girls-ran out). I stated some concerns with Katniss and that she wasn't eating as much, lost some weight, and hiding...instead of saying, let's get you right in to see what's going on with her, I was told they need their Gabapentin to come in... When I came in finally with the kitties on Wed, 11/26, the vet tech gals: Jennie and Aranza weren't that friendly or welcoming. Hui who used to be there before was wonderful. They have been ok in the past but maybe more upset about something lately...not sure. Dr. Oakley later came in and I have liked her and respected her and her skills in the past but she isn't the warmest, although laughs sometimes but I felt her bedside manner not great. She looked at Katniss and said she's lost half her weight, was furiously writing notes and alluded to Katniss maybe having something serious=and may have to go into hospice and have cancer. She got the blood tests done and ultrasound and showed me reports. This was all very concerning of course. I felt what was disappointing is she kind of harped on the fact (and seemed to shame me) that I said the cats went on a hunger strike with royal canin urinary so diet, and by that I didn't mean that they weren't eating at all but less. Dr. P. who I met with year prior with the kitties stated they MUST be on that diet or at least Katniss since she had bladder stones so I was following directions. They were only eating less like a day or two...it wasn't many days. And I would never starve the kitties or something! I got new food they liked on Sunday, 11/23 "Gravy lovers" and they were both eating more again. So katniss was going through all this and we were directed to go to emergency room for pets (AVSG in Tustin). Before this, Dr. Oakley did an exam for Gigi and said because she's a pound less, she shouldn't have bloodwork done or rabies vaccine. I thought that was a ridiculous because she was probably losing just a little weight due to not liking the royal canin so wet food and even the dry food a bit (I'm wondering with the wet food if it was a bad batch). I didn't get the precaution ( because Gigi wasn't showing any signs of illness and has been healthy) but maybe vet was just more focused on Katniss and didn't want to make her upset/or thought Gigi could act up...but btw, they both had the gabapentin that is apparently required and I gave them both 2 hours before appts, so they weren't in any feisty mode! Just FYI, I took Katniss to the emergency Vet on 11/26 directly after this appt. Gigi we took home. Katniss was not in great shape and had to be hospitalized and I talked to vets every day and visited every day. She had fluids, feeding tube since not eating own food much. They said she had kidney chronic disease and an acute kidney issue...not sure how this was caused...I've looked around my place and garage and don't think toxins led to this . The emergency vet said it could have just been as simple as not eating or drinking as much one day. And she may have had pancreatitis too which could have contributed. Sadly, Katniss did not make it...and before this, I got a text from Owen from C. Pet clinic asking about Gigi...why not ask about Katniss? I responded what Katniss was going through and he responded but maybe got name wrong? I got an automated email the other day that said...Gigi still needs to finish up appointment or something. That seemed totally tone def and there was no mention of ...we are so sorry for your loss re: katniss. Maybe If I got her in earlier to appts, things could have been better and she would have lived! But if that's not the case...at least let people bring their pets in without the gabapentin especially if the cat is low energy and feeling not well anyway. That seemed very unthinking and not thoughtful. I'm not sure if I'll be going back here, but wish everyone the best of luck. I have trusted this business for years but now I don't have the same trust that I had in the way the vet techs and this vet do things. I may call and speak to manager too. I'm very sad re: losing katniss and I could have had an earlier appt. and not had to wait for the gabapentin! Did Jennie or staff get that I needed to bring in Katniss especially asap? Anyway, it is what it is but disappointed for sure. Some things may have turned out differently if there wasn't a canceled appt. due to the gabapentin issue. Also, it's odd katniss had kidney issues when none of your previous tests showed this, so maybe something missed or dropped out. read more

Dr Pascucci is great! I feel so fortunate to have found her many years ago (in a different clinic) now here at cpc. I followed her here basically. Shout out to the front dest as well they are kind and courteous. read more

I have never met a vet that is so thorough and so great! We love Dr Peggy and all she has done for our pup! She has a great heart and that's hard to find these days at very offices. read more

This clinic is amazing. They have gone above & beyond to care for my dog, and have been so kind to me. They are incredibly organized and very good with communicating before & after appointments - even providing a synopsis & notes via e-mail post-visit. The entire staff is so lovely and Dr. Keng really put my mind at ease. read more

This review is not a reflection of the vet who treated my dog. The vet was very kind and thorough. She tried to make my dog feel comfortable by sitting on the floor and handled my nervous dog very gently. Having said that, this place gets two stars for the pricing and customer service. Pricing: I had to go to the Culver Pet Clinic because our regular vet is closed on the weekends. While they do offer you a cheaper plan of care versus a costlier option and an opportunity to decline specific services, the cheaper plan of care is still more expensive than what I am accustomed to. For instance, I declined a comprehensive stool test for parasites which they charge $150 for. The highest price I've seen for this test is $100. Secondly, I brought in a stool sample ( which they didn't end up testing because of the aforementioned price) and they charged $7.75 for "Hazardous Disposal." Really? Third, they charged $36.80 for a probiotic paste that can be obtained on chewy for $26. I flagged this when I first reviewed the estimate but assumed that the product would come in a larger quantity because of the higher price but I was wrong. The exam rate is $83 which is slightly more expensive than the average $75 at Quail Hill. Overall, this wasn't a very cost effective option.. they certainly nickel and dime you here. The rates resemble emergency service rates, which I was hoping to avoid. My total bill was nearly $700 for a non-acute condition. I would say that is quite substantial. Customer service: Out of the three staff members (excluding the vet) I interacted with, I found one staff member to be quite curt while the other two staff members were very nice. When I received instructions for at home care, the explanation could have been more succinct and reinforced by way of written material, especially since the prescribed dosage and dispensing instructions the vet specified differed from the label. Lastly, this office does not allow paying customers to use their restroom because their restroom is not "open to the public." A paying customer, to be clear, is not a random member of the public. I have never encountered this at any vet as a lifelong animal owner. No restroom access after paying $700? Wild. In summary, the attending vet was kind and thorough. However, they absolutely nickel and dime you here and the prices resemble urgent care and there is more to be desired on the customer service end. read more

This is a long overdue review, I've been taking my dog and cat to Culver Pet Clinic for a few years now. Over the time I've been going, through routine check-ups and a couple of health scares, I've seen Dr. Keng, Dr. Pascucci, and Dr. Oakley numerous times. All of them have been so thorough in examining my babies, and communicating with me what is going on/discussing recommendations with how to move forward. The rest of the staff are also so sweet, and I can confidently say this office really cares about their patients. Thank you Culver Pet for everything you've done for Aurora, and I know Neji will be getting more love the next time I bring him in! read more

All the doctors and staffs are super friendly and professional. My dog was developing an acute glaucoma, at which time, was undiagnosed and after visiting the emergency the night before due to her showing laziness in one eye, I was told they couldn't figure out what was happening to her unless they get a CT scan of her brain (they were suspecting brain tumor) Feeling devastated, I called culver pet clinic in the morning and they listened to my concerns and was able to squeeze her in to be seen very last minute on the same day. Within 10min into the appointment, the doctor was able to tell that she was developing an acute glaucoma and have already referred her to an eye specialist. Without their help, I don't think that l was able to schedule my dog for the emergency surgery needed because she only had 48hr windows to save her vision. I'm truly grateful for my experience culver pet and I trust them 100% with my fur babies. (I have 3 dogs and they all go here!) Prior to this event, they also help me getting her dental surgery and finding out about her heart murmur which now is under control with medication. You can really tell that they care about their patients and their families. Thanks to culver pet my 16yr old baby is still going strong and happy! read more

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Thanks to some really spectacular veterinary primary care plus referrals to some great local specialist, Dr. Alicia Oakley and her team at Culver Pet Clinic were able to give us another year with our beloved Shih-Tzu, Truffle. Dr. Oakley was always available to render care and was insightful and positive at all times. My wife and I are very glad that she was our Vet. If you you want best-in-class animal care, reach out to CPC. Thank you, Alicia & Team! Tim & Shelly Irvine, CA read more

Always great here - from front desk staff, to techs, to vets. We travel half hour to get to them and it's worth it read more

Love this clinic ! Everyone is so sweet and attentive. It seems like the doctors really care about each dog genuinely. They're also very careful and instructive in teaching the owners knowledge about their dogs. The doctors suggested getting shots early in the day to prevent any reactions close to closing time. They also followed up and texted me the next day asking how Chloe was feeling ! Super pleased with my experience and will continue coming here read more

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I feel a little like a review fiend now, but the Culver Pet Clinic team continues to be five-star. They helped diagnose a stomach issue for one of my cats, which has really helped improve his quality of living. Thank you for everything you do! read more

Dr. Oakley is a regular Dr. Doolittle. Okay unfortunately she can't talk to animals, but she is a brilliant, extremely knowledgeable veterinarian. Whenever my dogs see Dr. Oakley, they are treated with all the dignity and respect that a good kind doctor would give to a human patient. Dr. Oakley really cares about your pet and does her absolute best to see to his/her well-being. Under Dr. Oakley's care, I believe my dogs are receiving such excellent healthcare that it would be comparable to some of the best healthcare available to humans. Needless to say, my dogs receive better healthcare than me. My dogs have been seen by the other veterinarians at Culver Pet Clinic and they are similarly top notch with excellent reputations in the community (even one with a lot of dog owners). Good veterinarians usually associate with other good veterinarians. The office is a bit small yet the observation rooms are spacious. The staff is friendly and courteous. Parking can also be a challenge sometimes. Ultimately, your pet will be in good hands. read more

One of the customer service representatives was pretty rude to me. She ignored me and acted like I owe her money or something, she just took out the pos machine and collected the money. I mean, if you charge $108.5 for 20 minutes of pet acupuncture, at least, you could be nice and don't act like I owe you this money, right？ She was not friendly to me at all, I could not imagine what would she or all the other staffs do to my pet when I am not around. There are so many hospitals to choose from, why should I come to you to suffer your attitude? After two months, they refused to treat my pet and demanded that I remove my review. I did not receive any apology, only arrogant attitudes like two months ago. read more

Dr. Keng and her team are fabulous! My husband and I brought our dog in for some anxiety issues. Never have I been to a vet that sits on the floor with the dog (with treats) taking time to get to know their patient. Our dog, Simone, takes quite a while to warm up to people and she especially hates the vet. By the end of her visit she was very comfortable with Dr. Keng and wanted to keep getting more treats. The facilities are very clean and spacious. Because our dog has separation anxiety from our other dog, they were kind enough to let us bring in Serena too to help reassure Simone. Dr. Keng also takes the time to communicate and share her thoughts and plan with the pet parents very well too. She is thorough, kind, clear, and very reasonable. I've only scheduled a few visits so far but her staff members are also wonderful and great to chat with. We don't live in Irvine, but make the trek out here for great care. Thanks, Dr. Keng and team! read more

I've been looking for a new vet for over a year. Yesterday I took my cat to see Dr. Keng. I've never had a vet be so gracious with her time, addressing all of my concerns, which was mainly urine issues. I am so appreciative of the help I received and now I'm making another appointment for my other cat. Thank you Dr. Keng! read more

I called to ask about treatment for my dogs ear infection. Was only told there is a required $80 deposit for new patients but they couldn't provide any more pricing information. This was a non-starter when looking for a vet. I told them I was new and was looking for info and they basically rushed me off the phone. Needless to say - I will not be trusting them with my baby. Disappointing based on the reviews. read more

Everyone here is so helpful and loves all pets. So friendly and patient. We took our little dog here and always felt like any issues were being addressed. Definitely would recommend this place to others. read more

We just adopted a brand spanking new puppy that's 10 weeks old. We are also brand new dog owners and Dr. Keng came highly recommended from our friends. I made an appointment and was able to get in within a week. This place is located in the Irvine Market Center, a very busy plaza, but there are plenty of 1 hour parking. With new Covid-guidelines, Their business operations is slightly different. The office door is locked, so give them a call when you arrive to check in. I waited outside for Dr. Kent's assistant Elizabeth. After greeting me, ahe asked some questions and brought my pup ( Charles) in to be examined by dr. Keng. (Side Note: It seemed like her regular puppy patients were all waiting in their car. After a short 10 minute wait, I will likely do that next time.)Dr. Keng called me on the phone and spent a long time sharing information about Charles. She is so thorough and detailed in her evaluation and gave me a lot of tips. She sounded knowledgeable and kind-hearted - a great quality to have when caring for your pet. I recommend getting their series of shots package if your pup is going in for its first or second series of shots. This includes all the shots needed to get your pup updated and will cut down your cost with any extra visit fees. You will not have to pull out your wallet on every visit. Nice and convenient, not to mention some savings too. You will love Dr. Keng. I did and I'm so glad my friend referred me to her. Thank you Andy Truong! read more

An appointment was easily made over the phone and all the paperwork prior to going was submitted electronically. I brought in my 9 week old puppy for her first wellness exam and second round of vaccination shots. My scatterbrain forgot her vaccination record from the breeder and so Dr. Keng examined her while I went home and grabbed it. Love the efficiency! Dr. Keng was friendly, knowledgable, patient, and thorough. I asked a lot of questions and she was very informative. I felt bad because I knew she was behind schedule due to me having to go home and get the records but she was great! The staff there is excellent as well. The front desk is friendly and efficient. They don't try to upsell you on things and you know you're in good hands. read more

We brought our doggies here to get them all caught up on their vaccinations and have their nails trimmed. Overall, it was a 2.5 hour ordeal, but a very pleasant one. The staff came out to take each dog in while I waited in the car. They did a full examination and then called me on the phone with recommendations and an update. I loved and appreciated how thorough the doc was, and she was so friendly. Sometimes, vets can make you feel like you're a dumb and uncaring pet owner, but I didn't get that feeling at all. Our dogs have had many vets over the years because we have moved so frequently, so I know finding a good vet can be challenging. I highly recommend Culver Pet Clinic for your family's vet needs. read more

Beware of the pricing here... the service is great and staff are friendly, but this place charges more for standard vaccines and procedures than most places in the area. For example, we wanted to get our kitten spayed and the technician was reluctant to give a price, though eventually said it would be from 300 to 1200, and they won't know til after doing an exam. Called West Mesa Pet Hospital and they only charge 105 for the spay plus fees for meds/collars that equal a total of 200 bucks altogether. They also try to upsell you on meds and services pets don't need, though some staff (won't say who) assure you the cheapest option is just as effective and cut the extra crap if you ask them. If you're a bourgeois Irvine suburbanite and don't mind being upsold for quality service, come here. If you want to get a fair price though contact any other low-cost clinic in the area with good reviews. read more

Dr. Keng and the staff at Culver Pet Clinic are amazing! We visited several vets trying to get our Goldendoodle Riley's stomach issues treated. Dr. Keng spent a lot of time listening to our concerns and examining him. She put him on a prescription diet and probiotics. Initially he was improving and they sent us a text every day asking how he was feeling. After 5 days of doing well he started having issues again. I sent them a text update and the communication with us was outstanding. Dr. Keng quickly ordered additional medication which they had ready for us the same day. He's improving quickly and I think we are on track to a happy 1 year old Goldendoodle. Words cannot describe how efficient this office handles their patients. On our first appointment; we filled out the paperwork online (very easy), we showed up on time and they took us straight back to a room checked us in, Dr. Keng followed within a few minutes did her thorough exam, we were brought our prescriptions and checked out all within 45 minutes. My sister has been bringing her fur babies to Dr. Keng for decades and recommend Culver Pet Clinic. I have referred 2 other neighbors just this week. I highly recommend this clinic!! read more

Culver Pet Clinic - He was not feeling too well before seeing Dr. Keng - Veterinarians Near Me - Irvine, California

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Brought our loved one for a remedy, but we got a feeling that they already know what the fix was but they still quoted you the full and thorough analysis procedures. Doesn't make sense to us but we get it; at the end of the day they are running a business - and business is nothing without profit. Kinda met half way and for one procedure at a time. read more

My goodness, I cannot say enough amazing things about Dr. Oakley and Dr. Keng, They treat your fur baby as if they were their own. They explain everything to you so clearly and actually take the time to listen to your concerns. My dog isn't a good patient.. not at all.. not even a little bit. And somehow they always get him to cooperate. I always walk in super stressed out and leave feeling very confident and reassured. They are absolutely wonderful in every way! They literally saved my babies life, I am forever grateful for them. Their staff are just as wonderful! Every single one of them. When you walk in they always make you feel welcome. You can tell that each person who works there really loves animals. My entire family thanks you for taking care of our baby. Although Trigger may not show his love for you, he definitely appreciates every single one of you! Thank you Thank you Thank you!! read more

Culver Pet Clinic - Trigger Thanks You - Veterinarians Near Me - Irvine, California

Dr. Keng is like family. Our fur ball family members have been seeing Dr. Keng for the last 12 or so years and we would never go to anybody else! Imagine our joy when we found out she was opening her own practice in Irvine. She is informative, knowledgeable, great bed side manners, honest, kind and straight to the point. Everything you would want in a Vet. She treats our fur ball family members with care and so much love. I always have a ton of questions for her and she never makes me feel rushed and always takes her time in answering my questions and concerns. The office is clean and comfortable. The staff is always friendly and helpful. The office is very reasonable for being in Irvine, especially compared to the office Dr. Keng worked at before. Culver Pet Clinic is not like those Large Animal hospitals who have like 5-8 different Vets This place is a comfortable two doctor practice. I have also met Dr. Oakley and she is equally nice. They also do boarding, too. It's not that big, so if you do need a boarding facility. You should call in advance. I like this place for boarding because you have an actual Vet on premises. Another thing they have is grooming services... I think it's on Wednesdays, but I'm not sure as it changes. We have taken our dog many times to get bathed and she always comes out smelling and looking great each and every time! Any ways... I can't say enough good things about this place. If you have a family pet you absolutely love and adore. This place is awesome! read more

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Nice staff and clean office. I brought in my foster dogs Marley and Maddox and both were seen for their physical. Vet and staff were very professional and knew how to deal with my anxious dogs. Very detailed in their care. read more

This place is amazing. The staff is the most courteous and caring people I have ever met. Dr. Keng along with Dr. Oakley are passionate about their careers and make you feel like family. They are always looking out for your fur baby's best interest while recommending preventative measures that are easy to follow once you get home. Thank you Culver Pet Clinic, you are amazing. read more

Dr. Oakley was indeed very friendly and did her very best to help Fozi who is very skiddish with strangers. Very pleased with the overall friendly and warm staff. Hope to have Fozi stay with Dr Oakley for as long as possible. read more

I had my dog's teeth cleaned by Dr Keng. I had heard good things about her and wanted to best for what can be a delicate procedure on a 5 lb Pomeranian. She did a very thorough job, and taking advantage of Mowgli being asleep, trimmed his nails. She also observed a critically swollen anal gland and saved him from having a rupture later. The staff was very nice and helpful. The doctor had discussed the results of the procedure and the post op instx. Then the staff went over them again and provided them in writing. They also called to check on Mowgli. Love this place!!! read more

Love Dr.Peggy, she is always great with our dogs. I highly recommend her and her staff. read more

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I am thrilled to have Dr. Oakley as our vet. When searching for a vet clinic, I was looking more for a small business feel as opposed to a corporate office. Dr. Oakley has been phenomenal with my cocker spaniel Kobe and has helped troubleshoot those pesky ear and skin allergies. She is very thorough. We are quite happy with the clinic and we look forward to a long relationship. read more

Culver Pet Clinic - Veterinarians Near Me - Irvine, California

I have been coming to Culver Pet Clinic since 2015 when I first adopted my pet from the Irvine Animal Care Center. This was one of the recommended vets and I continue to come here, despite it being a little bit of a drive from my home. I have two cats and Dr. Oakley takes care of them. She is so kind and passionate and I truly trust her with all of my cats. Recently, my cat had a cyst on his face and she did a quick test and told me it's nothing to worry about. More recently, I adopted an 80lb pitbull/bull dog mix. Dr. Keng has been so loving, helpful, and honest since she first met my Beefy boy. She is extremely thorough in her advice and truly wants to teach the pet owner. I came in over the summer because the Big Beef was constipated. She didn't run any expensive tests, she just recommended some remedies and gave me some advice. Today, I called in because the Beef-o-nator is constipated once again. I called back on the verge of tears and she once again saved the day. She told me to wait it out and continue the remedies she recommended to me last time. These doctors are extremely honest and caring. They're not trying to rip you off with expensive tests. They're truly in it to help you and your fur baby. If you aren't sure which vet to choose, come to Culver Pet Clinic. Your baby will be properly cared for and the Dr.s will talk you off the ledge when you're about to bawl your eyes out.  ;) read more

I took my puppy to this clinic and they sold me a puppy package. I told them I would like to have more time in between vaccinations. They basically "fired" me as a customer and told me not to come back to their clinic. I asked to return two of the items they sold with the puppy package as they were not recommended by the new Veterinarian. They said I could donate them to Culver Pet Clinic, but they would not issue a refund. I highly recommend not using this vet! read more

Love this place! We have been taking our two dogs to Dr. Oakly for many years now. She is the most caring vet we have dealt with. Highly recommend Culver Pet Clinic. read more

Thank you Dr Keng and your wonderful team. You are all a BLESSING. Our pets really are family and Dr Keng and her wonderful team know this. They have such a calming way about the way they interact with are Babies They make sure everything is ok, making sure you know how to give the medications. They always call the next day to see how Maximus is doing. Dr. Keng get right down on the floor with my 60 pound puppy to check him out, that seems to calm Max so much. If you are really looking for a Dr. to look over you Baby ( puppy) its Dr. Keng and her amazing team. Once again thank you from the Kellogg's read more

Small office with vets and techs with big hearts. Efficient, friendly, experienced, knowledgeable, accessible, respectful, and reasonably priced. You and your pet will be well cared for here. read more

Our dog Thor has been going to the Culver Pet Clinic for all his life, 7 years. We don't even live in Irvine anymore but we choose to make the drive here to take our dog for any check ups or if any complications come up. The quality of care, kindness, and transparency is genuine and absolutely amazing. Dr. Keng truly cares for the animal patients she sees on a daily basis. She constantly goes out of her way to accommodate her customers and their needs. We can tell she has a true love for animals. Our dog has had back surgery, IMHA disease, multiple blood transfusions, tooth surgeries, etc (you name it), Dr. Keng and her staff members have been there with us along the way, even if they referred us to a different 24/7 emergency care, internal medicine hospital, and neurosurgeon. We trust all their advice and words 100% because we know they speak only to look out for our dog's best interest. On top of that, her staff members are really nice and accommodating. We really appreciate everything they do to help our dog always feel comfortable and welcomed. I would give them as many stars for their rating as I could but 5 is the limit. We truly are blessed to have found this clinic for our pup. read more

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Dr. Keng and Dr. Oakley are both amazing! They truly care for the animals that are seen and they understand that pets are part of the family. They took good care of our cat when she was sick. They are honest and sincere. Because of their examination, blood tests, testing, care, prescription medications, treatment, and recommendations, our cat is well now. She is a happy and healthy cat. Thank you again! I highly recommend this clinic for your pet and we will always come here for our cat's check ups and medical needs. read more

Do not come to this poorly managed office. They outright lie about their services and take your money. I had to prepay for an appointment for acupuncture for my dog's allergies- something the vet apparently does not perform and only tells you when you're almost done with the visit but they happily offer it when you call the office and take your credit card #. As such, NO SERVICES WERE RENDERED. The office could use lessons in customer service, integrity and organization. They can't even manage pulling your pet's medical records correctly. read more

I visited the clinic most recently several months ago and thanks to a bad interaction with my pets old vet I realized I did not give Culver Pet Clinic enough praise. I live in Long Beach so a trip to the Vet in Irvine is not ideal. I used to got to a Vet in Anaheim where I work but rarely. I have been blessed in the past with low maintenance animals. Last year we had a cat who was dying and her current vet would not help her due to finance reasons. Sadly our cat died. I had a relative who worked at Culver so I brought her over there. They were so kind and amazing and gave us a fair price for getting her ashes. When it came time to get emergency dental work on our dog I knew that his previous vet Katella Animal Hospital was not an option. Culver took such great care of him. Again they are very kind while his previous vet staff is sometimes argumentative and I just don't feel comfortable. Culver Pet Clinic is his Vet as long as we live in California and I don't see us leaving in the foreseeable future. read more